After watching a newer Michael Jackson documentary by Square One, I firmly believe Michael Jackson is innocent. What do you think?

He was guilty of what people have claimed.
Anyone can create a documentary or story that can slant it the other way.
Nothing against MJ’s talent, but he was guilty IMHO.

@Forever_Free, keep in mind the Jordan Chandler case was undeniably debunked. It didn’t leave you to think about it, or leave you still unsure. It was solid evidence.

Michael Jackson should never have been left alone with children that weren’t his, that he didn’t know the child or the parents. The parents used their kids to get a piece of Michael. And Michael took advantage of that, knowing he could mess around with kids because the parents were so greedy.
Michael was the youngest of several brothers. The brothers had kids. Why weren’t those kids hanging out at Michael’s home?

Did you see the MJ documentary about the abuse? It was multi episode, and it focused on the families and how MJ lured them into bringing their boys to his house for vacations and fun. The parents ended up far away from his bedroom and it was very obvious how he had them enjoying their time at his estate. The victims were thrilled to be spending time with their idol. Whad adult man has boys sleeping in his bed?

Before I saw the documentary, I was blaming the parents and thinking maybe they were paid off to allow their son to sleep with MJ. After watching it, I was no longer thinking they were paid off but still thinking they should have gotten a grip on the situation. Still, I could see how it must have been exciting for all of them to be hanging out with one of the world’s biggest celebrities. In addition to staying at his ranch, he brought the boys on trips. Creepy and very inappropriate. Add to that the families had to sign agreements saying they wouldn’t talk about the settlement amounts. Why would he settle and why would he make them sign agreements if he wasn’t guilty? If someone asked you to pay them because the premise was that you slept with their son, and you didn’t sleep with their son, would you pay them off? I sure as hell would not have.

He’s also dead, so I am not sure of the benefit of exoneration.

Would be nice if MJ was indeed innocent. Either way my continuous enjoyment of listening to his music is now tainted.

I do believe he’s innocent, as well.
Unfortunately he was tried and convicted in the media so it would be difficult to change public perception at this point.

I haven’t seen the documentary you’re referring to, and I’m not invested enough to do much research, but another documentary (“Leaving Neverland”), which involves other people, left me convinced he was an abuser.

@Zaku, watched that whole documentary. Had me maybe a tad bit convince. However, doing more research and watching other things combatting that one, nearly everything they said has been debunked. The places and parts of neverland they made their main claims to had been molested by MJ had not been built at the times they were there.

Jrdan Chandler accurately described MJ’s penis for the flaccid and erect.

And MJ paid off the father Innocent people don’t pay off the family. I beleive this is wishful thinking @Austin_ . Did you visit Neverland as a child?

@zenvelo Thanks for that visual aid. ~

Initially, I didn’t jump on the bandwagon and convict him in my mind. At first I heard stories of boys in his bed and I wasn’t immediately flabbergasted, because it isn’t necessarily abuse to watch a movie for instance in a bedroom, or for kids to run into the room and hop on the bed. BUT, it became more and more apparent that he crossed lines with the children.

This isn’t a friend or family member who only has one TV (not uncommon 40 years ago) in their house, it’s someone wealthy, who could easily provide space for the parents and children.

The whole thing has a weirdness.

I haven’t watched the documentaries so I don’t know a lot of details, but if any of the children feel they were abused or treated inappropriately then I err on the side of believing them.

He’s dead, so it doesn’t really affect him any more anyway.

I thought he was strange and treated kids as fascinating pets. He liked to experience kid things with kids, maybe to make up for his lost childhood. It didn’t seem to be a sexual thing from what I could tell.

@zenvelo Actually, Jordan Chandler did not accurately describe his penis.

Chandler’s claims were both of the following:
– MJ was circumcised
– MJ had a splotches of discoloration on his penis.

Michael Jackson was in fact, not circumcised. It was common knowledge that MJ had severe vitiligo which causes discoloration all over your body, especially in his case of it.

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Evan Chandler was a dentist. Prior to the literal kidnapping (in technical terms) of Jordan by his own father, Jordan always said MJ was innocent. Never went back on his word. Evan chandler requested custody of Chandler for a little bit. Just to “spend time with him.” Also, might I add, before Jordan became close to Michael Jackson, Evan did not pay Jordan any mind anymore. Ever. Jordan had a very negative relationship with Evan.
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The judge allowed a one week visit for Jordan to be with Evan. Not only within that week did Evan take him to his dentist office “to pull a baby tooth” and gave him a completely unnecessary and hypnotic drug which was known to be able to create false memories, which is now illegal to use on patients, he also violated his custody agreement and kept him past the week refusing to give Evan back to his mother.
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Not only did Evan just possess the hypnotic drug (which again was KNOWN for being able to be used to create completely false memories in someone else’s head), he admitted using it on Justin Chandler.
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There are also NUMEROUS recorded phone conversations of Evan himself explaining in depth his plan to frame Michael Jackson. What I have below is just one of many. He literally was laughing about how it’s a win-win situation by saying he had splotches on his penis.

Here’s one. There’s more recordings much worse than that that you can find yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n6QJR-9bWI

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Here are some of the quotes by Jordan Chandler from the phone calls.

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“I am prepared to move against Michael Jackson. It’s already set. There are other people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are in certain positions. I’ve paid them to do it. Everything’s going according to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I’ve given him full authority to do that.”

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“And if I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I’ve checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. June will lose [custody of the son] and Michael’s career will be over.”

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“[Jordan’s welfare is] irrelevant to me. It’s going to be bigger than all of us put together. The whole thing is going to crash down on everybody and destroy everybody in sight. It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want.”

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“This attorney I found, I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find. All he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can, and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s very smart, and he’s hungry for the publicity.”

@chyna @Zaku

^ and to add to this, it was explained very well why it was the better option for Michael Jackson to pay him off and go in the documentary. Michael Jackson went on with the case for a while before doing so. Also, it might be worth mentioning that all of this evidence had not been available yet, which might’ve actually endangered Michael of being convicted falsely. It’s also why so many people still believe he’s guilty. This was the main case that made people think he was guilty because he paid Jordan off.

I thought the exact same as all of you. I thought who in their right mind would pay off a case like that when they are literally accusing you of molesting their kid. I was wrong.

Sorry for sending so much, I just don’t appreciate the spread of misinformation very much. Especially about something as serious as that.

I haven’t done exhaustive research on it. I do think he was an odd person and probably stepped over the line sometimes. I’m not convinced he actually sexually abused anyone. But maybe he did. I don’t think we’re ever going to know for sure. That’s my non-committal answer, but I would have to research this more before being more sure. I think this story was highly sensationalized and I think that has played a role in many people’s opinion about his guilt.

@Austin_
My reply to zenvelo was supposed to be snarky denoted by this ~. All in good fun and not meant to hurt his feelings.
It is something we use on here to show a little snarky as you can’t read snark in typing.
I honestly think it’s great that you are so passionate about your belief in MJ. If I ever get to see the same documentary that you have, perhaps I will change my mind, too.

I believe he is dead. I believe he thought he was above the law. I believe that with so many people saying he did some bad things that they can’t all be wrong.

Leaving Neverland convinced me. Jordan Chandler was not the focus of that.
Jordan may have been trying to take advantage of MJ’s guilt with other boys.

I don’t know enough about the subject to judge, but I have to agree with @Forever_Free about anyone being able to make a documentary. We are already seeing that there are at least two people who watched two completely contradicting documentaries, you and @jca2. So I’m just not sure if a single documentary can change my mind about anything.

All I care right now is that he made good music. I don’t want to make any judgement about his personal life. Every artist has a messy personal life if you really look into it. In the end only their art remains.

@filmfann, all of the claims in leaving neverland were completely bogus. Both of them were complete liars, as also proven. The places they made their main points of being molested by MJ were not built yet. Everything they said was riddled with contradictions looking into it and many things, most things, were simply proven untrue. Jordan wasn’t trying to do anything. Jordan was drugged with a hypnotic drug known to create false memories by his father, as proven through phone call recordings and admittance to possessing and giving the drug to Jordan.

I’m not going to write an essay about everything wrong with it like I did about the Chandler case again lol, I guess do your own research if you care enough which you probably don’t. I just have no life. Anyway, I don’t really plan to respond to many more people in this question but I appreciate all of your answers and the conversations I’ve had today. I plan to keep using the website, it seems like a pretty nice enjoyable place!

@Austin_ I’m glad you enjoy it here. Just one little thing: we are all telling you our opinions, because this question is about our opinions and you literally write in the description “What do y’all think? I’d like some other input on it maybe.” We are not here to spread misinformation or trying to persuade you to change your perception. We appreciate civil discussion about different opinions, even when it’s not something we agree with. This is what our community stands for. We aren’t Y!A.

@Mimishu1995 I understand, I was only talking to the people who did spread misinformation or admitted to getting their opinion based off of a false source.

All I can tell you is had he ever invited my children to Neverland Ranch I would have politely declined.

My opinion on him stands: He did it, he’s creepy, it’s inappropriate to have your kids sleeping in the bed with another adult except in a rare emergency (terrible storm where you’re temporarily displaced, for example).

Let’s consider a few things that are known about Michael Jackson. What follows are behaviors that his family, friends, and estate won’t even try to dispute, because they’re well-documented and in public awareness:

- Jackson, a grown man, had close relationships with young, usually pre-pubescent, children.

- He engaged in classic victim grooming, earning the trust of those children, and their parents, by gifting large sums of money, paying for luxurious vacations, and buying houses and other costly gifts.

- He separated children from their families, keeping them at his amusement-park estate and bringing them with him when he traveled.

- The children slept with him, in his bed and behind a closed door.

- When the children grew too old, Jackson replaced them with younger versions.

Every one of these actions is heinous. The prosecution for the criminal trial may have been unable to get a conviction, but Jackson’s established, undisputed practices were depraved.

Again, I emphasize that nobody attempts to deny any of these activities. Jackson was frequently photographed while traveling with young children, and families shared copies of the checks they had received from him, and they have lived in houses, and driven vehicles, that he’d gifted. Anyone who has an interest in protecting Jackson’s reputation will, instead, try to paint the behaviors as those of an innocent, guileless man-child.

^If any of those things were known about any other man, he would’ve been convicted. But since it was Michael Jackson, he got a pass. IMHO.

@chyna if any of those things were known about any other man, the wouldn’t have been convicted unless something were proven, just as in MJ’s case. Mind you the parents allowed their kids to be with him.

MJ got a pass and his case didn’t go to court so nothing had to be proven, @Austin_ and he was wealthy enough to pay the parents off to silence them.

I bet some of those parents took pay-offs not only for the money, but also because they blamed themselves and it’s humiliating.

Not only humiliating, but the more publicity of that sort that a child gets, the more impact it will tend to have on their life.

His innocence never wavered. Nonetheless, it was unfortunate that he did not distance himself a little from children. In some respects, men should avoid being too close to children as a male. A show can revolve around children’s education, but as a male, one should ensure he does not become too close, or he will be regarded as a pervert.
Additionally, both men and women must keep a certain distance from children online, as well as monitoring what they say to kids. There are some common sense aspects to this as well. Additionally, children can be incredibly cunning. Furthermore, as adults, we should be mature enough to inform the child if they exhibit inappropriate behaviors (physical, non-physical, or verbal).
If the child is not informed, then the parents must be informed, authorities (if necessary), and sometimes without using names (a social media post might even have to be made without using the child’s name to protect the child’s identity if this involves inappropriate stuff online).
I have had to make such a post concealing the kid’s identity. However, I made myself clear not to inbox me any type of sexual content or I would look into telling his parents. I never received such content, again.
And, I also took it a step further by unfriending the dude. Based on my judgment, I concluded that this person was indeed a child. Adults must also be careful, because these kids are also online playing catfish games. Adults have to go even further to use wise judgement, do some investigating, and take it a step further to protect themselves. In these cases, it is very sad.

I don’t think it matters what I think because you’ve already made up your mind. MJ was a fantastic performer who made strange choices all his life. He seemed to trust the wrong people time after time. Many entertainers pay off accusers that accuse them of untrue stuff just to get it to go away and not be in the press. That way they can’t be tried in the court of public opinion. I’m sure some suit he trusted told him to pay off the father in exchange for it going away. Then it didn’t go away. MJ was exceedingly strange, so jumping to the conclusion that he did it wasn’t an outrageous assumption. I never saw anything definitive that made me think that he did it. At the same time, I never saw anything that made me feel comfortable that he didn’t do it. The parents judgement was as faulty as MJ’s. Once he died, I no longer thought about whether he did it or not. Actually, from the first rumor, I never spent a lot of time thinking about it. I see it much like politics or religion – everybody is entitled to their own opinion; and since I don’t care, everybody has a valid opinion no matter which way they fall