Is it alright for someone to be both a Biden and a Trump supporter?

YES, it’s OK because neither of them is worth a crap & they both have some good qualities!!! Of course, there will come the day that she will HAVE TO CHOOSE which one to vote for because she won’t be allowed to cancel her vote out by voting for both.

Of course it’s okay. I don’t know a single person that, if running for office, would be right and good 100% of the time, nor horrid and wrong 100% of the time. Sometimes I think you have to look harder to find the good.

Of course, you don’t have to blanket agree or disagree 100% with everyone or every politician. I sort of support both, in saying they’re are/were leader of the country where I live, and I want to support our president to do what is best for the country and world despite the letter next to their name at the polling place.

It’s better to be neither a Biden or trump supporter. To me, it’s a sign of an independent thinker. If it was up to me, parties would be abolished so people would only vote the individual rather than the party.

“ The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies… is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”

Sure, why not? Even I, who have no love for Trump, thought he did a couple things right. I would never vote for him, and I think he is an immoral asshole, but he did make a couple of policy decisions that I agreed with.

So – you friend can think whatever he/she wants. It’s OK.

I think it’s very realistic to see the strengths and weaknesses of both.

I personally don’t support either of them but whatever floats your boat. There is nothing “wrong” with supporting them.

In the end it’s probably a matter of indifference. Both serve the same masters in our rigged forced choice between the lesser of only 2 evils. It is only that one of the evils was so blatantly extreme this trip that the choice was so clearly a gauge on the discernment of the voter.

It’s not against the law, and if nobody finds out, no problem…

Are they okay with thinking Trump had the right to try to overthrow our Government to stay in power? That is a big hard no for me. I don’t and will never support a Traitor who believes voters’ rights shouldn’t count and believes he is above the law. So in this case. It’s not alright. All Americans should support our Nation first and they should scorn traitors. Even if that traitor did some things they like it shouldn’t matter.

Those who believe in our ex don’t see him as a traitor or they can’t admit that he is a traitor and they support him. A dear friend has always said that she doesn’t like most of what comes out of his mouth or Twitter account but she supports everything that he does. When I asked her if she supported his involvement of Jan 6, her response was that nobody had proven to her that he had done a damn thing wrong and the dems were making it appear that he had.

People in my family are Trump supporters and so are some good friends. I support their decision and their right to like who they want, and they support mine. I am not critical of their decision and they’re not critical of mine.

It depends on which qualities but sure. I would question her knowledge on policy decisions to see if she was simply appeasing everyone though. Both are fairly polarizing characters.

To me, I suppose it’s “ok” if some people are uninformed.

To me, it’s only ok if someone support Trump, if they are uninformed or misinformed.

But if much of the population suffers from a significant amount of ignorance, misinformation, and especially, intentional disinformation by malicious actors, that is a problem.

And having the government and out elections so dominated by only two political parties, both driven by excessive amounts of money and wealthy and megacorporate sponsors and string-pullers, is a huge problem.

But on top of that, to have one of those two parties just go all-out embracing Trump’s idiocy and celebrating his brand of corruption and dishonesty and insurrection and all-out terribleness – to me, that’s an extreme problem. And any significant number of people going along with that, is a problem.

The number of people who supported Trump, and even moreso, the number who continue to support Trump, is one of the strongest arguments I have ever heard, against democracy, at least as we have it here.

And actually, it’s not just about Trump. Before the 2016 election, Trump was a hateful lying con man and (it seems) sex criminal and so on, but he wasn’t clearly also a champion of racism, xenophobia, all-out corruption and removal of as many government services and protections as possible, etc. That seems to have been what he became as POTUS, and what the GOP has supported, and what has brought the QAnon, Proud Boys, and other atrocious scum out of the woodwork.

All that goes way beyond just the one fool.

It seems pretty unlikely to me that an informed person could support them both.

They’re both very conservative, sexual assailants, anti-worker (though pro-worker in rhetoric), corrupt and fans of nepotism. If your friend is into those things, I can see how she would like them both.

Apparently the consensus seems to be “It’s okay providing….”. Your friend still has the right to have any views she wants. There really are no provisos that go with those rights.

@SEKA Your friend needs a reality check and needs to watch this video where Trump says Mike Pence can overthrow the election results and declare him winner. That is a Traitor. Just about 5 minutes in is where he says it. Trump Jan 6 rally

Pros and cons of Biden and Trump aside, someone who supports both of them and has to ask an anonymous forum on the internet if it’s ok to do so is worrisome to me if they have the right to vote.

It is not OK because Trump tried to overthrow our republic, which is one of the most evil things any President has ever done to this country.
And I’m not a Democrat, nor have I ever been a flag carrier for Biden.
It’s OK to be a moderate or triangulist who likes and hates ideas from several sides.
But there is no excuse to support Trump after what he did with his election lies and his attempts behind the scenes to where he attempted to pressure various officials to commit election fraud. Anyone who supports Trump after November 2020 is either very stupid, or very evil.

She must be easily charmed to see only the positive aspects of both people.

What Trump wanted Mike Pence to do is not illegal.

Pence played turncoat and would not do what he legally could have.

It in no way had anything to do with overthrowing the government.

Although I can’t imagine anyone liking both, since they are distinctly opposite, I have no feelings of opposition to a person to have their own opinions.
I do prefer they have facts to back their opinions.

Really, not validating official votes is not illegal? Whipping up a crowd with lies as a top government official to stop official procedures is not illegal? Ignoring calls for help to stop the crowd from storming the Capital is not illegal? He took an oath to protect the Nation from enemies both foreign and domestic. Pence was not a turncoat he did his duty. Just because Trump says he believed the election was stolen, it doesn’t matter. Bet it wouldn’t have gone well if Obama had said he believed the elections were stolen from Hillary. She had the popular vote and wasn’t a sore loser cry baby about it. All I know is no one has a right to try to take something that wasn’t theirs to have. That is called theft. In his case attempted theft with the aid of government officials all bound by an oath to our nation. Not a man.

You are flinging stuff I never mentioned.

If anyone wants to discuss this stuff any further with me, it will have to wait. I am feeling deeply depressed right now, and shouldn’t have even clicked on to this question tonight. I only did because I couldn’t find enough fun stuff to engage in.

The rants are simply wind to me.
I deal with facts.

@Patty_Melt You won’t find facts from John Eastman, or from pundits on cable news and Youtube. Those guys are nothing but blowhards who use conspiracy theories to defend fascists who dress as patriots.

What most of you are missing is that there are two sides to every story. And you are getting bogged down in differing opinions. The question was whether it is okay for a person to be both a Biden and a Trump supporter. If your answer is anything other than “Yes it is” you are engaging in voter suppression. You are pushing for censorship. You are trying to put limitations on what someone can believe. You are demonstrating all the compassion and consideration of Nazi brown shirts.

I find it interesting that the party promoting Nazism is the first to grow offended and accuse others of it
It is totally ok to support both people although I find no logic in it. At the same time, she’s entitled to determine for herself what she likes/doesn’t like

Personally, I think it’s time to abolish the two-party system and I don’t mean by creating a watered down version of either of the 2 parties

@SEKA I’m a registered Independent. So my “Party” is the one that already stepped away from both. And as much as you want to deflect, look at the actions I’m calling out. You can’t look things honestly and tell me I’m wrong. There are claims here that the person with a viewpoint the claimant doesn’t like is foolish, unrealistic, and any number of other monikers to try skewing their views. That is childish, bullying, and the start of tyranny. There are claims that the person can believe whatever they like so long as they don’t like Trump. That is voter suppression and bullying. Suppose someone passed a law that the Democrats were an unlawful party and saying anything in favor of them was a crime. Would you call that tyranny? I would. Suppose if you didn’t fully support Trump people would call you names, bully you, gang up on you in groups to shout you down. Would you see that as reasonable? I wouldn’t. You have an opinion of things. I have a different opinion. @Kraigmo has another, @Patty_Melt another and so on. None of us is 100% correct and none of us is 100% wrong. So how can someone that supports both Biden and Trump be 100% wrong? Yet that doesn’t stop the brown shirt actions.

@seawulf575 I hate to break it to you, but you haven’t stepped away from anything but a label. I don’t blame you as I’d be embarrassed to claim that label myself. You have fallen into line as expected and have memorized every buzz word. I’ve never been bullied by the left but the right bullies constantly. Nobody on the left has ever tried to tell me how I’m allowed to live my life, yet the right says that nobody else is allowed to participate in my chosen lifestyle. The left may have taught my child things of which I didn’t agree; however, I was still allowed to express my views to her without fear of going to jail. The right wants to dictate what my child is allowed to think , read, believe without any input from me for fear of going to jail. The left has never expected me to turn in my neighbor for not living what they feels is acceptable. The right wants to put me in jail for not reporting my neighbor for not living an appropriate life when it’s “none” of my business how they choose to live their life. Now, I’m accused of deflecting when you worship the king of deflectors. I lost respect for your opinion on day 3 after I joined

I’m a registered independent who leaned to the right until the right moved way too far to the right. They’ve moved so fuckin far right that on the next turn they will become left. I won’t worship a traitorous terrorist and I won’t be bullied by someone too weak to stand up for themselves

@Patty_Melt Your words. What Trump wanted Mike Pence to do is not illegal.

Pence played turncoat and would not do what he legally could have.

It in no way had anything to do with overthrowing the government

I was addressing your words. Did I expect it would change your view? Not for one second because what Trump was saying you probably believe 100 percent so to you he is practically a Saint.

Mike Pence said that there is no provision in the Constitution permitting him to have been able to ignore the election results.

That statement made Pence persona non-grata to thumper followers. Those words made him a traitor when “hang mike pence” didn’t ruffle nary a feather

@SEKA I am 100% a conservative…no doubt about that. But the problem is that you have no real idea what a conservative is or how they think. You have weird left-wing rhetoric that describes conservatives. It is very strange. Maybe you need to get out more. Most conservatives don’t try to tell others how to live their lives. They may not agree with your choices, but they aren’t pushing you to change. However they absolutely get stiff-necked when they are told they have to accept something as normal. That is how the left is. They come up with some of the strangest things and then demand that everyone agrees with them…or else. Or else they try to brand them with names. Or else they try to cancel culture them. These are not the things you see conservatives jump into because someone doesn’t believe in them.

I’m all about personal rights AND personal responsibility. They go hand in hand. And in the case of the person referenced in the question, let me ask you: why can’t someone believe in both Trump and Biden? Why is that such a threat to you that you have to condemn them for it? Why is it that they can’t have a different belief from you?

They may not agree with your choices, but they aren’t pushing you to change.

Bullshit. If you aren’t pushing me to change, why do I need to get out to learn “your way”?

Please show me where I said she was “wrong” for liking both. What I said was It is totally ok to support both people although I find no logic in it. At the same time, she’s entitled to determine for herself what she likes/doesn’t like At some point she will have to choose the one to vote for because she won’t get 2 votes. If she does get 2 then she’s cancelling herself

There are of course people who will support anyone who manages to be declared President, regardless of fitness or qualifications. There are voters of course who see no difference between Trump or Biden. And that of course is legal, so it’s “alright”. Both ignorance and stupidity are clearly “alright”, and were the vote extended to 4 year olds, and Big Bird or the ghost of Elvis “duly” elected, what point is there in criticizing the voters?

@Pandora, no, I spoke only in regards to the inaction of Pence.

I didn’t mention the people who entered the capital or their motives.

I didn’t mention Hillary, but since you brought her up, she did whine about losing the election. She couldn’t even face her constituents. She is still whining.

I am not a republican. I am an independent.
Anyone who wants to shoot down the republican party because they don’t like Trump, or hates Trump because they don’t like the republican party are just funny, because the gop leadership did not want to get behind him.
It was people who supported him; Republicans, independents, and yes, some Democrats.

Independents such as myself consider the two parties to be among voters only, or at least mostly, and that career politicians are mostly a different group. That group works under the power of the big business dollars.

Many of us voted for Trump because he represents big dollars not happy with the rinos and dinos. He is not a career politician. Long ago, when he was a young, attractive millionaire, Donald Trump said the only way he would run for president would be if he felt there was nobody running who could do the job.
I have wished for him to run since the twentieth century. I, like many others, feel we don’t need a lawyer for president. People hate lawyers, but vote for them to be president.

So, that’s what I keep saying, but nobody gets right about my politics. I am a conservative, but I am not a republican.
Being conservative is not racist, sexist, or ageist. Some conservatives might be one or more of those things, but it doesn’t define us all, or even the majority of us.

@SEKA “Please show me where I said she was “wrong” for liking both. ” Okay, I can do that.

“Those who believe in our ex don’t see him as a traitor or they can’t admit that he is a traitor and they support him.”

Sounds amazingly like you are saying she is wrong for liking both to me. As for me pushing you to change, there is a HUGE difference between suggesting and bullying. Me suggesting you should get out more is a far cry from the denigration shown even on these pages for anyone that dares to say Trump was okay. That much denigration is called bullying.

It’s curious that whenever someone claims Trump “ok”, and you list the ways in which he is not, there is never a rational dispute offered to the objections. The fact that he is unfailingly the exact opposite of everything we have been taught to honor, respect and strive towards is never challenged, yet imaginary compensating alleged virtues are wheeled out as somehow worthy of consideration. “OK” for what? Would YOU want him for your son-in-law or trust him alone in a room with your pretty wife? Would you take his word on his promise to repay a loan? Where do words like honor, tolerance, introspection, kindness or intergrity factor into the measure of a man?

@HP, I’ve had those “rational disputes” before. I have listened to all sorts of lies and when I show the proof of the lies, show what the actual truth is, it suddenly isn’t “rational” anymore. Not in any real sense of the word anyway. Most of what you have been told by the media is a lie. Not that Trump is fantastic and without faults, but most of what you hear isn’t even close to the truth. It is the exact opposite of the truth. On a different thread, I pointed to The Charlotteville Lie…where Trump said Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists were “very fine people”. The media went crazy with that one. Except it wasn’t true. The only true part of the story is that he said the words “very fine people”. But in almost the same breath he specified he was not talking about Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists…that they should be condemned totally. But that didn’t stop the “rational dispute” from using that as a way to say Trump was a racist and a white supremacist.

The problem with your statement and your idea of “rational dispute” is that it starts with assuming the lies are truth. At that point all rationality is gone. And when it is shown, 100% shown, people, such as yourself, will continue to claim he somehow was supporting the Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists.