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dalepetrie's avatar

I've got an idea, tell me what you think?

Asked by dalepetrie (18007points) September 24th, 2008

Today, John McCain “suspended” his campaign until we have a bail out plan in place in Congress, even if he has to make the sacrifice of pushing back the debate on Friday that he was so looking forward to (he wanted to have 10 of them, don’t you know?). Anyway, God bless John McCain for having the courage to put his country first, I say. And if he really wants to show me how much he cares about his country, I have a suggestion.

He should suspend his campaign until November 5! That would give us PLENTY of time to sort this whole thing out. If he did that he’d be stepping aside for the more intelligent candidate, who is far better prepared to lead our nation these next four years. Who but a true patriot would make such a great sacrifice? How do I go about getting this suggestion to him, I’ll even donate to the cause if he agrees to suspend his campaign until after the election! That would be great.

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scrappyblue's avatar

Your proposition is quite logical. Let’s hope he gets the message!

deaddolly's avatar

YES!!!!! He’s such an idiot….he’ll fall for it!

EmpressPixie's avatar

I just don’t understand why he would want to inject EVEN MORE political pressure into the situation – it’s already intense, but before it was basically non-partisan: everyone is really working together. Not perfectly, but enough. Right now he’s trying to inject partisanship into it. Really strongly and intensely. Has it occurred to him that the shape of the package might need to depend on who we elect? Ugggg.

I agree—he should just suspend his candidacy.

Adina1968's avatar

I think this is a brilliant idea~!

flyawayxxballoon's avatar

What a fantastic idea! McCain is clearly out-of-touch and impulsive, both of which, among countless other reasons, make him the obviously worse candidate. If only you’d come up with it eight years ago when George Bush was running…

dalepetrie's avatar

I did call for Bush to suspend his campaign in 2000, he didn’t listen. Of course, he hasn’t listened to anything anyone has said for the last 8 years, so I shouldn’t be surprised.

flyawayxxballoon's avatar

Darn, you’d think he’d be stupid enough to fall for that…as it turns out, his condition is even worse than we suspected!

sundayBastard's avatar

You guys do know that Obama wants war too. Right? He is selling the same shiza. It’s just in a prettier package. They would both do us a favor if they did a twin suicide bomb in the white house. Come on people. Either way you lose.

dalepetrie's avatar

Not buying that a war in Afghanistan against the people who actually attacked us is the same as an insurgent civil war in a country we had no business invading in the first place, sorry.

deaddolly's avatar

i vote with dalepetrie on that…

sundayBastard's avatar

The truth will show it’s pretty face one day.

flyawayxxballoon's avatar

I second dale…and besides, McCain has supported Bush the whole time. Do you really think we can handle Bush Clone as president? We really need a change.

And @sunday; There are going to be things that we don’t like about the candidates’ views, but as you said, it’s “a prettier package,” and it’s a smarter, more sensible, and just better campaign overall when you look at Obama; McCain has sloppy, ridiculous plans for the most part.

So yes, of course you will lose something if either candidate us elected; we’re just saying that with McCain, you lose a whole lot more.

sundayBastard's avatar

Maybe, Mcain is there just to give you the illusion of having a choice or vice versa. It’s funny that you actually believe that you have a choice. Do you think Bush is president right now because people really believe him to be a great leader. Everyone knows that he and his masters have committed war crimes and are dismantling the constitution. Come on. Wake up. Seriously do some research and not from FOX news either.

marinelife's avatar

I hope Obama shows up and debates by himself. Coward. he went down in the polls—he dare not debate.

flyawayxxballoon's avatar

Definitely, Marina. I don’t see why Obama wouldn’t…what has he got to lose?

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Yes, sunday, they both suck. But you have to keep in mind that one of the two is the lesser of the evils. That would be Obama, in my opinion. And while him being in power won’t be the second coming of christ, he won’t be the devil-incarnate like Bush or McCain. (I’m not even religious, but it gets my point across.) Voting for Obama is a step in the right direction. Sure, it’d be a baby step. But America is, compared to a ton of other countries on the planet, still after all, a baby.

deaddolly's avatar

I agree with drasticdreamer. Neither are perfect…but Obama gets my vote.

sundayBastard's avatar

@Drastic Thats a nice way to look at things and I use to think the same way. No disrespect, but that is because you actually believe that what you are saying is true. “The lesser of the 2 evils” I have heard that my whole life. So it is safe to say that are country is ran by evil men and that you think it is ok. So keep in mind by excepting one of these evil men, then you must except the evil that they will bring you. Or you can fight against the evil. Do some research on our country. I have personally served 10 years in the army. I am patriotic by definition. With my government when they are right and against them when they are wrong!

dalepetrie's avatar

I know full well that Bush was installed, not elected. I would have sooner eaten a bag of broken glass than vote for Bush. And I know full well that Dems and Republicans who actually decide to run for office are generally self serving.

But I’ve followed Obama since before he started to campaign. His platform has been exactly the one I’ve always wanted to see a politician have the balls to run on. A bottom up economy rather than a trickle down one…my GOD I’ve been waiting my WHOLE LIFE for this.

I vehemently disagree that Obama is just another politician, cut from the same cloth as McCain in different packaging. I have a TON of reasons to be pessimistic and distrustful of the government. I have not had a President in my lifetime who would not have been the lesser of two evils. I don’t think Obama is the lesser of 2 evils. He is MY candidate, I agree with every single point in his blueprint for change. I think he will make an amazing President, and the fact that he’s running against McCain is just icing on the cake. So, I completely disagree with you sundayBastard…I don’t blame you for being cynical, I’m very cynical myself, but I see no reason to think Obama is an evil man, and I have not seen you provide anything to back up your suggestion, just a bunch of shrill attacks that lack any basis or backup. Put up or shut up.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Sunday: Fight against it how, exactly? And I understand where you’re coming from, don’t get me wrong. But one of them is the lesser of the evils. Obama, compared to McCain, will not force his personal morals down the throat of others. McCain would outlaw abortion, he would shove his religion in general in the face of every single American and a whole list of other shit. One is better than the other, regardless if they both suck.

I’m extremely pessimistic and I hate how this country is run and I’m probably one of the least patriotic people you’ll ever come across. However, the world is not as black and white as you imply. There are shades of gray. And trust me, as a pessimist those shades of gray are hard to find sometimes. But they’re undeniable.

sundayBastard's avatar

@dalepetrie You know Bush was installed ok. So what makes you think the next will not be? Come on. Think about it. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

sundayBastard's avatar

In anyway possible. Me personally I want a revolution. A real one. Well, I do not expect you, or too many other people to think as I do. George Washington was once considered a terrorist. The founding fathers of this country even said that a revolution is inevitable. The government should fear their people not the other way around.

Another thing do you honestly believe that if there were a president that went against the demands of his masters. he would live long enough to even get sworn in. These people do not care about life. Yours mine or Iraqis or Afghanis. They don’t! Really think about this.

dalepetrie's avatar

Tell you what, sunday…there is NO WAY IN HELL McCain can win given how he’s run his campaign, not with this economic crisis…not when he’s said things like “the fundamentals of our economy are basically sound” less than 2 weeks ago, or “economics is not my strong suit”. Unless he personally is somehow credited with going back to “Warshington” and singlehandedly coming up with a brilliant solution to the economic crisis that gets pushed through quickly and is credited with saving our entire economic system. Barring that, there’s NO WAY he can win, not gonna happen.

But tell you what, if despite all this he still DOES win, I will become every bit as cynical as you. I have no doubt if McCain can cheat, he will…I used to think he was a man of honor, but he’s proven me wrong. And I know enough about how the electoral college works to know that if you’re within a percent or two in the popular vote, cheating works. This election is going to be at LEAST a 5 point spread, no way for McCain to cheat. If McCain manages to get in by cheating the way Bush did, you tell me where to meet you, I’ll bring the torches and we can take over Warshington together my friend.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Sunday: This country has a shitty old bathroom and I agree, wholeheartedly, that it needs a remodel, badly. However, you say that it needs to be done. How exactly do you propose that it be done?? You can say it needs to be done all you want, but until you have an actual way of getting it done, don’t look down of those of us who choose to vote for the lesser of the evils.

If I chose to revolt against my government, where would it get me, besides a hole in the ground with some pretty little flowers on top?

sundayBastard's avatar

@dalepetrie Exactly, they will give you a close race. As so not to be so up front. Damm. They do it right in front of your face, but it is so hard to believe for most people that you have no choice. Not at all. None.

sundayBastard's avatar

What makes the world go round? MONEY…. Who controls the money? FEDERAL RESERVE…(Which is a private institution, all of your income tax pays them, the debt that our country borrows from them on interest) So in short, the bank runs shiza. OOOPS and guess what the U.S. is now in the mortgage game and apparently in insurance and now they need 700 billion dollars OOPS now the big banker boys own your ass once and for all) Social security MWAH! goodbye they need that too. They pick and choose not you. because you are no one to them. Money talks and everyone listens. They own the government. This type of rant will land the future me in jail probably. LOL

I left out a-lot of details but if you seek you shall find.

sundayBastard's avatar

Sad but true and I really wish that I was just crazy government hating veteran. Well maybe I am….

dalepetrie's avatar

You know, I don’t have faith in much. I don’t believe in God (the possibility yes, the certainty of the being, no). I’ve never been a fan of our government. I don’t have much faith in humanity…I think most people are self serving, I am VERY cynical. Yet, when I first heard Obama speak at the 2004 DNC, and he said that in speaking to people, he realizes that people are hurting, and that though they don’t expect the government to solve all their problems, they sense that with just a slight shift in our priorities, we can do much better. YES, damn skippy, he GETS it. He’s not a rank and file Democrat who will support any government spending program no matter how short sighted, but he’s also far from a Republican who won’t spend a penny on anything resembling a social problem. And every time he’s opened his mouth, I’ve been more impressed. I’m impressed by his specific proposals, I am impressed by his experience…I think someone who turned down several opportunities to earn 6 figures in order to take a $13k a year job working with poor people on the streets of Chicago really GETS it. He understands the problems of the common man….he’s not another rich white man who’s out of touch with reality for once.

Lets just say if Obama gets in, I believe wholeheartedly that he will be ready, willing and able to change the way business is done. I have no reason to doubt that he is genuine. So, the ONLY danger I see is if, as you say, “THEY” control everything and “THEY” install McCain as President, then I’ll believe you’re onto something. But where I differ from you is that I think in 2000, under the expert workings of Rove, when they had the benefit of Bush being the governor of Texas, his brother being the governor of Florida, the Secretary of State of Florida being on his campaign, having an in with Choice Point technologies and a trusting public who had experienced the longest period of economic growth in American history and a demand for computerization of everything, they were able to pull it off. Today, they have no incumbent, they have no Rove, they have an incompetent campaign, they have a candidate who has broken with Republican orthodoxy enough to piss off really powerful people, they are coming off the worst 8 years in American history, in an environment where no one trusts them. They just don’t have the structural advantages they’d need to pull it off. AND they have a hostile Congress who wouldn’t hesitate to impeach McCain if he were caught cheating…and the level to which he would have to bend the rules here would make it patently obvious, especially since he’s not particularly savvy. I just think if they could, they would, but they HAVE to take a loss this time.

Personally, I think what they’re doing is ceding the election, and trying to fuck things up so badly that Obama’s hands will be tied and he won’t be able to succeed at the things he sets his mind to. Then they can portray him as a collossal failure and install Romney or 9ui11iani, you know, someone who knows how to play the game.

I think our BEST way to salvage our very Democracy (make no mistake about it, that’s what’s at stake here) is to support Obama wholeheartedly. That’s my position and I’m sticking to it.

sundayBastard's avatar

I have way too many things to say about this circus show. I wish I had a shorter way to sum things up for you.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

dalepetrie, I think I love you. ;)

sunday: You have passion and that’s awesome. To me, what’s sad, is that you obviously live in an America that you wanted to believe in. If that wasn’t the case, you wouldn’t have served the country for ten years. It, obviously, was a huge disappointment for you. For that, I’m sorry. America has always been a disappointment for me and, unfortunately, I think it will remain to be so until the day I die. But I want to believe that maybe, just maybe, my grandchildren will be living in a different America. We do need change. So fucking badly. But the question remains how to get the change we want and need. American citizens would not be able to physically overtake our government. It would not be possible.

So for now? All that any citizen can do is take little baby steps, until someday, we can do something bigger, something drastic.

sundayBastard's avatar

@dalepetrie…. Sure american citizens could physically overthrow our country. If for just one minute they could quit sucking down fastfood, or shopping or watching reality TV, or get off of the prescription medicine that the Dr.‘s handout like Trick O treats. and don’t worry they will anyway. it just sucks that it will not be until they are totally broke and hungry. The U.S. would have to nuke it’s self to stop the people. Oh well….

sundayBastard's avatar

Oh well…My life is half way over and I don’t have any family so why should I care.

I’ll tell you why because i can NOT stand to see people getting fucked over.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

You’re not the only one, sunday. Other people care as much as you do. They just don’t know how to get the change they deserve.

Darwin's avatar

One way in which Obama will make a change is that as a Democrat, he will dismiss any Republicans holding various appointments and replace them with Democrats. If McCain is elected it will be the same old “Old Boys Network” from the last 8 years. Thus, even with a “different” President it will definitely be business as usual in Washington.

sundayBastard's avatar

I am aware of that and it will take the masses to cause such a great change, but wait the government is preparing for this also. FEMA has begun training to run these refugee camp style complexes(you can look this information up through Gov. documents). It will not be pretty when this happens. You can assume that casualties will be in the millions (not only from fighting amongst ourselves but on foreign soil but starvation, diseases etc). It is inevitable.

Another thing you heard Obama when that Russian/Georgian conflict broke out. He started to talk shit to Russia. When he damm well knew that we encouraged if not demanded that Georgia attack them. He is pro war!

sundayBastard's avatar

do not be fooled. wake up. you may not be able to do much to change it right now but you can try to prepare for it.

sundayBastard's avatar

If you are pro war you are anti life and that is that

dalepetrie's avatar

DrasticDreamer….wow, high praise indeed. Had to add you to my fluther for that comment!

sundayBastard….I know full well that we’ve been American Idolized into complacency. But here’s the deal. I am MORE optimistic than I’ve ever been in my life. I have been appalled that only 60% of people who can vote, do. I think for perhaps the first time in American history, people actually care and are paying attention. I was worried that American apathy would enslave us. For the first time in years I’m thinking maybe people will actually wake up.

sundayBastard's avatar

Obama is still pro war

Another thing you heard Obama when that Russian/Georgian conflict broke out. He started to talk shit to Russia. When he damm well knew that we encouraged if not demanded that Georgia attack them. He is pro war! This is very criticle. can you not see this?

sundayBastard's avatar

Or are you so blinded by the fireworks, motivational speeches and the hollywood hypers.

dalepetrie's avatar

Well, here was the speech I heard Obama give about Russia’s invasion of Georgia,

“I want to just speak briefly about the situation in Georgia. It’s a situation that continues to deteriorate because of Russia’s escalation of the use of military force. At this point I have spoken to President Saakashvili, and conveyed my deep regret over the loss of life, and the suffering of the people of Georgia.

For many months, I have warned that there needs to be active international engagement to peacefully address the disputes over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, including a high-level and neutral international mediator, and a genuine international peacekeeping force – not simply Russian troops.

No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and has now violated the space of another country. Russia has escalated its military campaign through strategic bombing and the movement of its ground forces into the heart of Georgia. There is no possible justification for these attacks.

I reiterate my call for Russia to stop its bombing campaign, to stop flights of Russian aircraft in Georgian airspace, and to withdraw its ground forces from Georgia. The Georgian government has proposed a cease-fire and the Russian government should accept it. There is also an urgent need for humanitarian assistance to reach the people of Georgia, and casualties on both sides.

The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia – the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.

I welcome the visit of the French and Finnish foreign ministers to Georgia as a first step toward mediation. There should also be a United Nations mediator to address this crisis, and the United States should fully support this effort. We should also convene other international forums to condemn this aggression, to call for an immediate halt to the violence, and to review multilateral and bilateral arrangements with Russia, including Russia’s interest in joining the World Trade Organization.

The violence taking place along the Black Sea is just miles from Sochi, the site for the Winter Olympics in 2014. It only adds to the tragedy and outrage of the current situation that Russia has acted while the world has come together in peace and athletic competition in Beijing. This action is wholly inconsistent with the Olympic ideal.

While returning to a pre-August 8th military posture is a necessary first step towards resolving this crisis, we cannot tolerate the unacceptable status quo that led to this escalation. That means Russian peacekeeping troops should be replaced by a genuine international peacekeeping force, Georgia should refrain from using force in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and a political settlement must be reached that addresses the status of these disputed regions.

Going forward, the United States and Europe must support the people of Georgia. Beyond immediate humanitarian assistance, we must provide economic assistance, and help rebuild what has been destroyed. I have consistently called for deepening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions, including a membership action plan for NATO, and we must continue to press for that deeper relationship.

The relationship between Russia and the West is long and complicated. There have been many turning points, for good and ill. This is another turning point.

Let me be clear: we seek a future of cooperative engagement with the Russian government, and friendship with the Russian people. We want Russia to play its rightful role as a great nation, but with that role comes the responsibility to act as a force for progress in this new century, not regression to the conflicts of the past. That is why the United States and the international community must speak out strongly against this aggression, and for peace and security.”

I read SEVERAL references to “peaceful” solutions. I did not see a war message here. Correct me where I’m wrong.

Bri_L's avatar

dalepetrie for president
;-)

fireside's avatar

@ sunday – most of what you are saying has been in movie theaters across the country, so I don’t think it will get you tossed in jail.

Let’s say your evil overlord theory is true. don’t you think that they would want to give up the presidency this time around anyways to cover their tracks?

I’m more likely to believe dalepetrie’s suggestion that they are giving up the election to promote deadlock.

Obama isn’t pro-war, he just doesn’t like being bullied (probably a childhood issue). That would be the one thing to watch for after he is elected…

sundayBastard's avatar

He has no right to condemn Russia for anything. When he knows we gave geogia the green light.

Afterward, he issued a statement saying: “I condemn Russia’s aggressive actions and reiterate my call for an immediate ceasefire.”

and Pakistan i guess you just forgot to mention that huh?

In a strikingly bold speech about terrorism Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama called not only for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, but a redeployment of troops into Afghanistan and even Pakistan — with or without the permission of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf.

Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama hits the re-known Apollo Theatre for a campaign fundraiser. “I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges,” Obama said, “but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”

Come on think about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3434573&page=1

@fireside I was joking about the jail thing….

sundayBastard's avatar

You know how to win the war on terror. Quit participating in it.

fireside's avatar

We’re already going into Pakistan without informing their government.

Oh, and Musharraf isn’t president of Pakistan.

fireside's avatar

But I’m totally with you on the not participating thing…

dalepetrie's avatar

sundayBastard – the problem isn’t that I disagree with you, it’s that I agree with Obama. I’m not anti-war…I’m anti-stupid, unnecessary war. Gulf War I and II qualify, Vietnam qualifies, but Afghanistan harbors people who killed 3,000 of our citizens on our own soil. They have holed up in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and I was never against going to get them. I thought from day one, we should NOT attack Iraq (that’s offense), we should go get the people who attacked us with the full force of the US military (that’s defense). I believe in defense, not offense.

And what we gave Georgia the green light to do? Oh yeah, join an organization dedicated to finding peaceful solutions to international problems. I SUPPORT that. Russia had NO RIGHT to attack a sovereign nation, ANY MORE than the US had the right to attack the sovereign nation of Iraq.

I think Russia’s actions were NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM JUSTIFIED. And they DESERVE to be condemned. It’s not that we should attack them, and Obama never said that.

His position is the same as mine…fight the war we DIDN’T start but were DRAGGED INTO, and let everyone else fight their own damn battles. I see NOTHING wrong with that. And I HATE war.

sundayBastard's avatar

Yes , I know we are and the U.S. is about to sacrifice some soldiers. You will hear soon about U.S. soldiers being killed in Pakistan and then bam guess what. Pak-war is coming.

sundayBastard's avatar

Do you even know the reason we went into vietnam?

sundayBastard's avatar

or WW2 or tthe first Gulf?

dalepetrie's avatar

I’m guessing it has to do with money (it always does).

sundayBastard's avatar

the answers are not in highlights of Wikipedia if your looking there

dalepetrie's avatar

I know the answers we’re fed are oversimplified. Of those wars the only one I feel was justified was WWII, and I think we ignored that situation for WAY too long, and only got in once our hand was forced. The result was worthwhile, but the motives for going over were not. I’m not sure ANYONE really knows why we were in Vienam, and the Gulf was clearly about oil.

sundayBastard's avatar

Well sure! our gov said a U.S. navy boat was destroyed by the vietnamese. so we went in. Later they admitted that it was bad intel and a boat was not destroyed. BS! They knew.

WW2 Our Gov sent a civilian vessel through German waters after being warned not too. the Germans even put an add in the New york Times warning people do not board the ship but they did. the germans sunk the ship . we went in.

1st gulf….............oil and to put a base there for our future war in Iraq.

sundayBastard's avatar

research Halliburton, dynaCorp, Blackwater and others and you will see the ties.

sundayBastard's avatar

These are powerful people and companies that profit from war. So they start them

fireside's avatar

I’m pretty sure there’s not enough money left over to fund a war with a “democratic” Pakistan

sundayBastard's avatar

They run shit! Which means it does not matter who the president is.

sundayBastard's avatar

We can fight on all fronts. We have the capabilities and it will be done.

Dick Channey was the CEO of halliburton he has some very valueble stock now.

dalepetrie's avatar

I know all about Halliburton, dynaCorp and Blackwater. I know about all of it. I know what the Bush administration is up to. I know our government has been perhaps the worst sponsor of terrorism in the history of the world. And it’s because I want this shit to stop that I’m supporting Obama, and I DON’T believe he’s an imperialist like the rest of them. I think he believes as I do that the only reason for war is a total failure of diplomacy when we need to defend our citizens. That’s it, that’s the only moral justification I have for war, and I believe he feels the same, because of what he’s said, not because I’m a blind follower. I read…a lot. I don’t turn to Wikipedia, or the mainstream media for my news.

I think by “they” you mean “those who control the purse strings”, and I couldn’t agree with you more. And that’s why I’m supporting the guy who doesn’t take money from lobbyists or big businesses. And don’t give me the “he takes more big money than anyone”, because that argument is predicated on the money he gets from employees of certain companies acting as individuals. I work for a Real Estate Developer….my donations would be portrayed as money from the Real Estate industry. Fuck the Real Estate industry, it’s a job, it feeds the family. I donate to Obama because I don’t think he is betrothed to special interests, and I think he’s the first Presidential candidate in my lifetime about whom that could be said. This is why it’s EXTREMELY important that we elect him and not McCain. McCain is owned wholesale just like the rest of them.

And yes, I know all about Cheney and Halliburton…he was getting paid a retirement package from Halliburton for the first 5 years of his Vice Presidency, never once mentioned a conflict of interest.

As far as I’m concerned, Bush and Cheney are guilty of high treason and should be hanged.

sundayBastard's avatar

They always say “Don’t talk about religion and politics” Why? Because you might just figure out your being lied to.

dalepetrie's avatar

sunday…if you haven’t read them, you have to check out the books written by Russ Kick. One is called “Everything You Know is Wrong”. Another is “You are Being Lied to”. He runs a website called the Memory Hole which rescues information that has been purged from the official record. Read a book by Greg Palast called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy…tells exactly how Bush stole the 2000 election and the role of international finance. I know all about the North American Union and the Amero. I know the dirty secrets behind immigration laws. My eyes are WIDE FUCKING OPEN. I KNOW why you are so cynical…you are right.

But they have fucked us over so many times now, you have lost the ability to believe that a REAL PERSON could actually come in and change shit. It’s happening, Obama is the guy…he’s the one that can finally tip this whole house of cards over and create a government that lives up to its image. He knows the score and he knows how to fix it. I will place my faith in him…bottom line, it’s my last hope. If it doesn’t pan out, I’ll be marching in the streets right beside you….believe me.

sundayBastard's avatar

@dalepetrie said: And that’s why I’m supporting the guy who doesn’t take money from lobbyists or big businesses.

Do you ever watch Democracy Now?

Well what I saw and heard when Amy Goodman tried to attend his little party was quite diffrent. You can look that up too.

sundayBastard's avatar

I honestly hope I’m wrong. or crazy or anything but right. I really do.

fireside's avatar

I gotta agree with dalepetrie again. the whole internet thing really screwed with the money brokers plans.

They used to be able to control the candidates, but now the public actually has a way to be more involved.

You wanted a revolution, sunday. Maybe that is what is happening right now…

sundayBastard's avatar

Sound like a deal dalepetrie and if I’m wrong I will change my name to Obama. I really fucking will and send you a pic of my new ID.

sundayBastard's avatar

@fireside I hope so. i really do.

dalepetrie's avatar

Amy Goodman was busted at the RNC, not the DNC. I read a post by a guy who went to both conventions…he said in Denver the streets were open, there were parties, the atmosphere was fun and lively, and in St. Paul, everything was behind closed doors, and it was like a police state. And I LIVE in St. Paul, I saw the cops in full riot gear busting heads for nothing more than trying to exercise their right to free speech.

And I hope I’m right too. I believe I am, but I’ve been disappointed before…not as many times as you obviously, but I’m one election away from becoming a radical.

Just for fun, you ought to check out my profile at the Spoof.

http://www.thespoof.com/profile.cfm?uID=506

I used to write satire, about half of it was about the idiocy of our celebrity obsessed culture and the other half of it was political, usually just ripping Bush to shreds. I wrote most of this back in ‘04. Read a few if you have time, I think you’ll like my worldview.

sundayBastard's avatar

This was before the RNC issue.

fireside's avatar

@dalepetrie – sounds like the RNC in NYC too. Good times…

dalepetrie's avatar

Oh, I’ll have to look into the Amy Goodman thing then.

sundayBastard's avatar

lol pretty good . i saved it to my favs i will read it later

dalepetrie's avatar

I gotta get myself to bed…it’s been interesting going back and forth with ya though!

sundayBastard's avatar

Your an accountant?

dalepetrie's avatar

I’ll check back in tomorrow, though….

Yeah, I actually passed the CPA exam. I’m the Controller of a Real Estate developer.

sundayBastard's avatar

talk to you later it was fun haha

sundayBastard's avatar

cool. I’m a private investigator. So I chase bullshit for a living hahah

Bri_L's avatar

No way Im a public investigator. Its a little more difficult in that the public doesn’t cooperate that well.

sundayBastard's avatar

true bri very true

dalepetrie's avatar

A PI? You should investigate impeachable offenses by the Bush Administration and see to it that they are all hanged.

sundayBastard's avatar

Bush has made sure via congress in writting that he and his buddies can not in the present or future be tried for war crimes or anything else. Look it up….no shiza. and congress approved of it.

dalepetrie's avatar

Well clearly, Pelosi took impeachment off the table before Dems took office, wouldn’t surprise me if Bush had performed a little CYA. These things too can be overcome though, all we need is the political will. I fully expect this to be my first and most major disappointment with Obama’s Presidency…his certain failure in even trying to hold the Bush Administration accountable for their war crimes.

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sundayBastard's avatar

wow I just heard 500,000 people filed for unemployment last week!

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