Does anyone besides me think the "Ode to Joy" melody is boring?
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(If you’re not into classical music, you can skip this Q. I’m just crabbing.)
Beethoven’s ninth (“choral”) symphony ends with the poem “An die Freude” set to a melody that irritates me every time I hear it because it seems so dull and elementary. Am I simply a philistine? Beethoven has so many marvelous melodies and themes in his other symphonies. Why is this one held in such high regard?
The Ninth wins the local classical station’s top-favorites list every single time. Bah. Do all those people really listen to it frequently and love it the best?
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I like Ode to Joy Muppets. On YouTube.
I can’t judge it objectively, it’s much too evocative of very positive childhood stuff. As a child, I used to go to the Young People’s Concerts in NYC, created and conducted by Leonard Bernstein. He often included that, either seriously or whimsically performed.
In various children’s choirs I was part of, we sang it often.
I guess I can see why you might find it boring from the simplicity of the melody line, but I still find the full orchestral rendering to be inspiring and uplifting…joyful, in fact.
Chacun à son goût, I guess.
I probably don’t hear it as much as you do but I still like it very much. Was trying to see a performance of the Ninth at St John’s Cathedral in NYC but it was sold out. I still find it quite magnificent. Now Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah” I think has been done to death and often inappropriately, in my opinion.
Music like other art is in the eye of the beholder or ear of the listener. Everyone’s listening “sweet-spot” is quite different based on endless things both neurological and experiential. Everyone’s loves is quite different than others boredom.
Most brains think classic and classical music is boring because it is not novel anymore.
Playing it and singing it, takes intense talent and dedication.
Yet in 1824 was very well received. If you take the whole 70 minute piece in properly with an orchestra and a choral group, it is amazingly beautiful even 200 years later. It stands the test of time.
My mother asked that Ode to Joy be played at her funeral. To her it was the most uplifting of symphonies. I don’t find it boring at all.
I cried when it was played at the fall of the Berlin Wall
I like the hymn because I really like the words to it. But I am not crazy about the tune either.
It is a very simple piece of music especially when you see it written out in musical notation but it is effective. It is so simple you wonder why no one thought of it before.
While I am a great fan of Beethoven, and would never call it “boring” (!), I might say that the 9th does have a repetitive and predicable melody that’s not as joyful for me as the words and some of its fans insist it is.
It also takes 4–5 minutes to get going, and goes on for another 20 minutes or so on much the same theme.
It also shares Handel’s Messiah’s trait of going on and on with the Christian glory of God and claims of its universal appeal, which doesn’t resonate with me unless I take it as a metaphor for Buddha consciousness, but then neither really share my mood about that, sounding to me more like fanatically insistent calls to conformity and demands to brand everything under the Christian God. Here at least it’s refered to as Joy some of the time.
But if I don’t study the words, don’t get bothered by the insistently repeated theme, and just go with it, it does build a great energy and constitute a great celebration of that tune.
So bored, no, but also no, it’s not my favorite.
It could get enough to the point of being boring when one who had experienced a great joyful rush upon hearing it for the first time had heard it as many times as it takes for that person to get bored with it.
Well, I’ve always slightly preferred the very similar main theme of the finale to the Choral Fantasy, which even Beethoven acknowledged was effectively “practice” for the 9th symphony. Both melodies are simple, memorable, and readily appealing, which has given them a lasting popularity and familiarity even to those who are not fans of classical music. Perhaps its familiarity and “overplayed” status affects a perception that it’s overrated. I will agree that “Ode to Joy” is not my favorite Beethoven melody, nor the 9th my favorite work of his, but I do think the symphony is deserving of its esteemed reputation.
In the context of the symphony it’s great.
I guess I don’t hear it as often as you do, even though I almost exclusively listen to classical music in the car. I think it’s a rousing and grand piece of music.
These people seem to be enjoying it:
https://youtu.be/ah-5wLaTwME?si=VqybFpL1-FqV8Q0F
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