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What are the pros and cons for living in Canada compaired to the USA?

Asked by afghanmoose (554points) October 14th, 2008 from iPhone

I’m just thinking about the future,I just wanted some feedback on it.

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willbrawn's avatar

polar bears in canada!

BonusQuestion's avatar

No Bush/Cheney in Canada!

KatawaGrey's avatar

Con: there is only one LARPing chapter in Canada.

jvgr's avatar

I was raised in the US and, at 29, moved to Vancouver, BC Canada in 1977.
I moved due to career opportunities and didn’t intend to stay long, but here I am.

Personal income tax is higher in Canada, however there is the national healthcare system which is actually provincial, therefore it varies between provinces and there is a minor monthly cost to the user.
The advantage is that people do take care of medical issues before they become more serious, and should you suffer a major medical disaster, you won’t likely find yourself choosing between bankruptcy and a shorter, painful life.

There are no HMO’s here, so your choice of hospital in an emergency is closest available, otherwise is dependent on which rights your doctor has access to.

In spite of John McCains repetitive statements, there has been absolutely no government bureaucrat that stood between me and my health care. The closet I come is sending my monthly premium to the governement.

The system is not without problems (as no system is including the US). Most problems stem from bad management practices (medical and governmental) and are not inherent to the system exclusively.

Politics is similar, but the time from the declaration of an election to voting is way shorter (2 months), so at the advertising level it is much more user friendly.
While there are several parties at all levels of government, the top 3, from left to right are: NDP, Liberal, Conservative and all 3 have a good presence in the elected government, though NDP tends to be the smaller. This diffuses the 2 sided acrimony and splits it 3 ways and when either large parties dominate, the influence of the NDP is strong.

However the current body of elected officials is about as effective as those in the US, and the federal leader does carry out secret negotiations of which the population is unaware (current negotiations for free trade with the European Union)

There is a lot more separation of church and state. No religious faction is embedded with a party trying to promote morality and point of view as a political issue.

The financial crisis in the US is affecting Canadian stocks due to investor fears more that stock credibility. Lending practices are more strict (no ARM’s here, I think). Though the regulated banks did get involved in the MBS scheme, it was nowhere near the levels achieved by US regulated banks.

The governments (all levels) are just as prone to make stupid decisions regardless of their party affiliations. EG British Columbia used to have the provincially owned BC HYDRO, which built power plants (water driven) and transmission networks to provide all residents with power. This government agency MADE MONEY and provided residents with the lowest cost power in Canda and lower than most US regions. The premier, in his drive to privatize, decided that BC HYDRO will no longer be permitted to provide power which will be the responsibility of private companies. Electricity rates are rising fast and the remaining governmental BC HYDRO retains the high cost/low profit transmission line provision and maintenance.

BC used to own a rail line “BC RAIL” which, like most rail lines, had a huge excess of developable, prime property. Opponents of the privatization wanted the government to sell of the prime developable property to the benefit of all. Instead, the rail line was “sold” at way below value, to a friend of the premiers who then sold off the prime land and is making a bundle.

The government pays for the partial costs of 2 television networks one of which provides programming similar to PBS, and 2 radio stations which provide different program, but with in depth coverage of discussions, et al which surpass NPR.

As a whole, the government tends to make “protective” decisions on behalf of the consumer. EG the controversy about the chemical used to make “hard plastic” containers in several food related products. Because the actual effect of this chemical is not definitive and because there is some concern that the effect on babies and young children could impair brain function and development, stores can no longer sell baby products with this ingredient.

As a society, Canadians tend to be less war oriented and prefer that the standing armed services be involved in peace keeping activities.

If you are a victim of murder by another person, you will more likely die by a knife than a gun (which means you do have to be in the action, so to speak)

Regulatory issues, though, remain similar (those for more or less), but there isn’t the amount of extreme hard core brand name politicization that is growing in the US.

Social trends tend to emanate from the US and migrate to Canada. Those that affect important issues (education, etc) are sometimes noticed ahead of time, evaluated and dealt with. Whether the adoption/rejection is good or bad depends on your point of view.

Canada is less crowded, and the overall educational levels are higher than those in the US.

Though I remain a US citizen and Oregon will always be my “home”, I see no reason to move. It’s fine here.

Bri_L's avatar

@ jvgr – “If you are a victim of murder by another person, you will more likely die by a knife than a gun”

but don’t they also have 32,000 hunting “accidents?”

;-)

Maverick's avatar

Murders by firearms in Canada are significantly lower than the US. Using 1998–2000 numbers, the US had about 28 murders per 1000 people. For the same period, Canada had 5 per 1000.

Bri_L's avatar

I was just joking.

You know, they have don’t have a lot of murders by fire arms but they have an unusual amount of “hunting accidents” wink wink.

jvgr's avatar

Bri_L: If you check the facts behind the “hunting accidents” you’ll find that Dick Cheney was involved in most of them.

PIXEL's avatar

Murder in Canada is front page news. Murder in the states is not, unless something gross was done to the body. One guy chopped up a body and had sex with it. Gross.

Bri_L's avatar

good one jvgr!

aanuszek1's avatar

Weird Al says it best:

Don’t wanna be a Canadian idiot
Don’t wanna be some beer swillin’ hockey nut
And do I look like some frostbitten hose-head?
I never learned my alphabet from A to Zed

They all live on donuts and moose meat
And they leave the house without packin’ heat
Never even bring their guns to the mall
And you know what else is too funny?
Their stupid Monopoly money
Can’t take ‘em seriously at all

Well maple syrup and snow’s what they export
They treat curling just like it’s a real sport
They think their silly accent is so cute
Can’t understand a thing they’re talkin’ aboot

Sure they got their national health care
Cheaper meds, low crime rates and clean air
Then again well they got Celine Dion
Eat their weight in Kraft macaroni
And dream of drivin’ a Zamboni
All over Saskatchewan

Don’t wanna be a Canadian idiot
Won’t figure out their temperature in Celsius
See the map, they’re hoverin’ right over us
Tell you the truth, it makes me kinda nervous

Always hear the same kind of story
Break their nose and they’ll just say “sorry”
Tell me what kind of freaks are that polite?
It’s gotta mean they’re all up to somethin’
So quick, before they see it comin’
Time for a pre-emptive strike!

PIXEL's avatar

Well that was rude.

PIXEL's avatar

Why do people think Canada is full of snow and eskimos. I know not all think like that but allot still do. We had French Exchange students come to our school a while back and we shared the differences between France and Canada. They said “When we arrived in Canada we thought we were in The States. Where’s all the snow?”

loser's avatar

Weed and Anne Murray!

shadling21's avatar

While we’re quoting lyrics…

The Arrogant Worms – Canada’s Really Big

“When I look around me,
I cant believe what I see
It seems as if this country
Has lost its will to live
The economy is lousy,
We barely have an army
But we can still stand proudly
cause Canadas really big

We’re the second largest country
On this planet Earth
And if Russia
Keeps on shrinking
Then soon we’ll be first
(as long as we keep Quebec)

The USA has tanks
And Switzerland has banks
They can keep them, thanks
They just don’t amount
cause when you get down to it
You find out what the truth is
It isn’t what you do with it
It’s the size that counts!

Most people
Will tell you
That France is pretty large
But you can put
Fourteen Frances
Into this land of ours
(it’d take a lotta work, it’d take a whole lotta work)

We’re larger than Malaysia
Almost as big as Asia
We’re bigger than Australia
And it’s a continent
So big we seldom bother
To go see one another
But we often go to other
Countries for vacation

Our mountains
Are very pointy
Our prairies are not
The rest is
Kinda bumpy
But, man, do we have a lot
(we got a lot of land, we got a whole lot of land)

So stand up and be pound
And sing out very loud
We stand out from the crowd cause
Canada’s really big!”

gypsyrose's avatar

Canada is the best place on earth to live! From my opinions anyways, the people are more friendly than Americans and theres more freedom!

Bri_L's avatar

@ Pixel – I get what you mean. I am from WI and when I lived in San Francisco people were asking me if I had a pet cow and if there was ever a time there wasn’t snow.

jvgr's avatar

@gypsyrose: Amen.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

Ha-ha. This conversation is really entertaining! Actually, I was born and raised in the US and then moved to Prince George and then to Vancouver Island during 1978–82. I didn’t know much about Canada when I went. My pro and con list would have to be – it’s flippin’ freezing up there! No one in their right mind would want to live there. Square tires and block heaters 10 months out of the year! I guess the good point to that is that you won’t have to spend money on shorts or bathing suits. Going to a tanning booth would be a waste of money, too. No one will ever see your skin anyway. Point two; in Canada the government controls everything. You have to have government car insurance on your cars and government controlled mortgages on your house. So, during the recession of the 80’s, the government decided that they needed everyone to buy a new car to stimulate the economy. They encouraged this by raising insurance premiums on old cars and lowering insurance on new ones. Now let me tell you about mortgages – you could only get a mortgage for 5 years. After that, you would have to re-apply for a new mortgage and get the new interest rate. Interest rates were 18% on mortgages in 1981. My neighbor lost her house of 6 years because her husband was laid off when the mortgage expired, even though they never missed a payment! The government was keeping the interest rates high on purpose, in hopes of enticing American to invest their money in Canada. People were loosing their houses left and right.

The good news – they have free health care.

Bri_L's avatar

Con – no one got my “hunting accident” joke (borrowed from a comedian I can’t remember) I laughed so hard at that when i heard

Maverick's avatar

@Skagg basically every single thing you mentioned in your post is categorically incorrect or misleading, but hey, way to spread the FUD.

Bri_L's avatar

@ Maverick – what is FUD? I am not familiar

Maverick's avatar

FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. For a realworld example, think the McCain/Palin campaign and the entire Bush Presidency <sigh>

Bri_L's avatar

AH, thanks.

These kids and their darned acronym’s!

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

Hey, I lived there for 3 years – I wasn’t just a tourist! I really did have to get Canadian car insuance, and they really did charge more the older your car was. They were talking about it all over the news at the time, and how unfair it was. Same with the mortgages – you could not get a 30-year fixed mortgage! I wasn’t dreaming, I really experienced these things. So Maverick, how long and when did you live in Canada?

Maverick's avatar

I didn’t say that you didn’t experience those things, just that you were being misleading. For example, Prince George is considerably north of where 90% of the population lives. So saying Canada is cold based on your experience there is quite misleading. It’s basically the same as saying the USA is cold based on your experiences in Alaska.

Also, saying “the government controls everything” is a gross exageration, and pretty typical American witch hunting. Oooh, big bad socialism is going to ruin us! In Canada, the government does legislate or otherwise control some services that are considered “essential”. Guess what other countries do that? Oh right, all of the non-third-world ones, including the US. The one thing that this recent economic collapse (thanks America!) has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt is that the entire “the free market will fix it” ideology is completely bankrupt. Privatizing essential services is absolute folly for a society, thankfully the USA has shown the world how disastrous it can be while we can still correct course.

Canada does NOT control vehicle insurance, that is determined by the Province. Some, like Alberta, have private insurance but BC has a mixed public/private insurance. Of course, insurance rates are far higher in Alberta than in BC – Go free market! I’ve insured old cars in BC since the 80’s and never once paid more than the same insurance on a new car… I don’t know where you got that from, and I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I’ve never heard of it.

High interest rates in the 80’s were not localized to Canada, the US experienced the exact same thing. Also, the Canadian government does not provide mortgages. They may INSURE them, but they don’t provide them. I really hesitate to remind you that in the US, you just bought all your nation’s worst mortgages, and you don’t even know how much you paid for them… evil socialism is right!

Bri_L's avatar

@Maverick -

“pretty typical American witch hunting” Doesn’t a statement like that directly contradict your point not to make sweeping generalities as noted here?

“I didn’t say that you didn’t experience those things, just that you were being misleading. For example, Prince George is considerably north of where 90% of the population lives. So saying Canada is cold based on your experience there is quite misleading. It’s basically the same as saying the USA is cold based on your experiences in Alaska.”

I am trying to learn from you, despite the hate filled language your spewing. Right now I would say that the con for living in Canada is the people despise non-canadians, or, more specifically, people from the US.

Maverick's avatar

Well, if you want to be divisive and polar, then sure, you could take that tack. Just because I have the nerve to stand up an say something critical about America doesn’t mean I “hate Americans” – I’m also not a terrorist. My girlfriend is American, so clearly I don’t hate Americans.

And yes, I think there is definitely an organzed “witch hunt” in the US against “socialism” – just listen to McCain or Palin on any night. This despite the fact that their party just undertook the largest socialist move EVER by Nationalizing the investment banks. Oh, but you don’t want children or poor people to get healthcare – that’s evil! They are purposely distorting what they are doing, and they are purposely villifying anything they label “socialist” so that people don’t bother trying to understand what it means, they just rail against it.

So, yeah, I stand by what I said. I know not all Americans are so easily mislead, but if the past 8 years is any indication, the majority are. Not pointing that out would be a great disservice, IMO.

Bri_L's avatar

First. I am anit-McCain and Palin. I am Pro-Canada. So calm down your american dating hot head. I commend you for having the nerve to stand up and say something. I would have been even more impressed had you left out all the rhetoric and unnecessary comments. I didn’t call you a terrorist.

Second. Don’t change the subject in an attempt to be right.
I wrote
“pretty typical American witch hunting” Doesn’t a statement like that directly contradict your point not to make sweeping generalities as noted here?”
You wrote
“I didn’t say that you didn’t experience those things, just that you were being misleading. For example, Prince George is considerably north of where 90% of the population lives. So saying Canada is cold based on your experience there is quite misleading. It’s basically the same as saying the USA is cold based on your experiences in Alaska.”

THEN in reply you CHANGED the subject to McCain/Palin and so far a huge minority of supporters “witch hunters”.

Honestly Maverik, you really seem to have some points buried in you answers. It’s nice that you date someone from the US. I am not against negative US commentary. I have my own rants. But man, the way you go off makes your points impossible to follow. Sincerely, I would love to learn more about Canada and you seem like you would be a great source to learn from.

Maverick's avatar

Good enough. I wasn’t ranting or even upset, but I know how difficult it is to communicate that through text. It’s pretty difficult to be as nuanced as I want to be from this side of an iPhone keypad. Anyway, thanks for your input.

Bri_L's avatar

Holy cow!!!

That was an iPhone??!?

Lurve to you and I am glad to call you friend.

Maverick's avatar

Ok, good, glad that’s over ;-) back to the OP, maybe this video will help encapsulate the discussion:

Canada’s ELITE Plan

Cheers! :D

Bri_L's avatar

Sorry, what is OP?

Maverick's avatar

“Original Poster” ;-)

faye's avatar

con- you sent us back Ignatieff. i live in alberta and, yes” flippin’ freezin’”. my car insurance goes down the older my car gets. i don’t have collision because the car is not worth much. maybe that’s the difference. i think we can sure be just as rude as anyone—ask us westerners about Toronto. health care is the biggest plus in my mind. i once saw a documentary about a US couple who had a premature baby. the medical bills were staggering. love the poems.

LeopardGecko's avatar

@aanuszek1 – The arrogance of some American’s shows it’s face.

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