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Jiminez's avatar

Do you think our culture has turned Adolf Hitler into so much of a charicature that it's hard for us to think of him as human?

Asked by Jiminez (1253points) March 26th, 2009

For instance, check out some of his artwork: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1164780/Face-monster-Self-portrait-Hitler-painted-just-21-revealed-auction.html

How is that supposed to make you feel?

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marinelife's avatar

No, I don’t think he is a caricature at all. I am not sure what you are getting at with the art.

Hitler was a tragically flawed insane person who by taking advantage of his times and people’s weaknesses became a monster who killed millions.

Even monsters can have hobbies.

Jiminez's avatar

I don’t blame Hitler, though, because I don’t believe in evil. I just think he was deeply deeply sick. Sick as in clinically sick. What I mean is: we all harbor this anger and hostility towards him* (which is understandable, but maybe not warranted), because you shouldn’t be hostile toward sick people. We seem to think of him as this supreme traitor to the human race, almost like something unhuman; with no human qualities. I think it’s important that we understand his true condition; not demonize (or monsterize) him.

*This is reflected in the commentary in the DailyMail captions (and your comments, too, in fact).

gambitking's avatar

I believe the representation of historical figures in media, art (as in your link), movies, television or even storybooks will always capture the person out of context. There really is no medium by which to exhibit the true character of someone like Adolph Hitler, except maybe a comprehensive biography complete with detailed atrocities.

By no means would I consider Hitler to have evolved to nothing more than charicature status…despite the fact that, while he was definitely born human, and died as a human dies, he lived as animal in some eyes.

marinelife's avatar

I do believe in evil. Hitler was insane, but he was also evil.

aprilsimnel's avatar

Hitler is Western civilization’s shadow. All the evil impulses we have as a culture have been dumped onto him and Stalin and we say, “Oh, I could never be like them!” But for a few twists of fate, such as having a different brain chemistry, a different reaction to abuse and suffering, living in a different time and place, any one of us could have been him. People don’t like to think that any of us are capable of great evil. And we can’t excuse everyone who went along with him, either. He certainly could’ve been stopped early on. The Austrian and German people went along with him.

Everything he did, from the Beer Hall Putsch to Kristallnacht to the Final Solution was 100% wrong, but that doesn’t make us better than him that we haven’t done the same things. It makes us lucky that we are capable of channeling our thoughts and feelings in different directions.

Jiminez's avatar

@aprilsimnel I’d hit that ‘Great Answer’ button a whole bunch of times in a row if it would let me. That’s how I feel about it. very poignant; he’s our shadow. He existed because some aspect of our (human) culture (group mind) made his existence acceptable. It speaks to a failing of the human spirit in addition to a failing of his own human spirit. In many ways, despite his having been the chief instigator and dictator (aptly), he was more detached from the actual physical atrocities than most of his soldiers. I understand the dynamics of hierarchy enough to know that there were consequences for disobeying, but still; they are all very much (if not more so<—not sure about that) to blame as him. As are all of the German people; as are all of us.

May2689's avatar

I dont think that the art that is being auctioned means that we think of Hitler as a caricature, its just a painting.
However, this question made me think about when we see movies like Little Nicky where Hitler is portrayed in Hell, receiving his “punishment”. I do not approve of this. Hitler’s persona should not be used for anything but documentaries and books, reminding us what a despicable person he was. He was mentally ill. It is not a name that should be used for our amusement or fun . Not in a million years.

aprilsimnel's avatar

And now a short break for a photo of a cute kitteh maxing and relaxing.

Awwwww!

All right, carry on.

May2689's avatar

@aprilsimnel : hahaha that took the heat off a little!!!!

VzzBzz's avatar

Kind of the opposite. Thanks to History Channel we can confirm Hitler was a real human and be reminded not to fool ourselves, that a mere human gifted with charisma can indeed be insanely dangerous in the modern world. To think people like him will never come to power again, that we’d be able to sniff them out and nip them in the bud, that’s ideal but false. Yes, ordinary human beings, failed artists, mentally unbalanced and physically unattractive can wield great influence over great minds and pool good resources for very bad things.

Jiminez's avatar

@aprilsimnel Thank FSM for kittehs! I think Mr. Adolf needed more kittehs in his life.

resmc's avatar

In popular culture, he is a monster, and nothing but that. Personally, even knowing his ‘human’ traits, there’s no way they can outweigh his extreme moral/psychological sickness.

That said, i also know that the more we try to see him as made out of a completely different fabric than the rest of us… and hell, of Nazi and pre-Nazi Germany as a society essentially so different it’s not worth entertaining the idea that there’s any way similar disgusting elements of it exist – or could easily come to exist – here… the more we’re apt to miss the lessons that are pretty much the sole mildly-redeeming thing to come out of all the suffering of WW2 and the Holocaust.

Hitler was human, if a remarkably bad one. The social conditions he took advantage of, which allowed him to do such horrible things… aren’t, as we’d like to assume, something very remote from us here, us in the potential future.

If Hitler &/or Nazi Germany are monsters, which most of us agree with… they were human monsters, and we are humans who are capable of monstrousity under conditions which could occur if we don’t prevent them.

Mtl_zack's avatar

In my 20th Century History class, we watched Architecture Of Doom which was saying that Hitler was actually channeling his artistic failure and political aspirations in a horrible way. This film was very popular in the 1990s. I recommend that you see it to get a different perspective on the holocaust and the impact that it had on the people.

mammal's avatar

his legacy is a stick with which others, have attempted to threaten, and goad us, into pursuing policies that are equally as odious, albeit slightly more discreet

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I’ve studied Hitler for years. He wasn’t that great of a painter, but he was a pretty good architect, and had a flair for buildings.

Hitler was a man with no visible sense of humor, he treated his mother very well up until the last moments of her life, and his downfall was hanging around with many anti-Semetic types. There are a couple of great books about him, and one I highly recommend is The Young Hitler I Knew, by August Kubizek. A good movie about him is The Bunker. It is of course a dramatization, but very compelling.

Hitler was an enigma, and while he was not evil, he did some very evil things. No human can be truly evil, as the concept of evil applies to actions, not persons. Stalin killed more people than Hitler did, and there was a subtle homoeroticism between the two, according to one author I read. Both men are worthy of study, if only to find out what made them do the things they did, and how it has affected our world ever since.

A interesting side note: Hitler’s mustache was British in origin.

Jack79's avatar

1. Yes, he has been seen as the synonym of “evil mad dictator”.
2. This has first of all made us ignore that there have been others just as bad, or worse (for me on a scale of 1 to 10, most leaders being around 4–5, Hitler is perhaps 3, but there are several who’d get a 2, or even 1. Most US presidents shouldn’t be getting more than 4 either, and even Ghandi and Mandela are around 8).
3. It has also led to us believing Hitler was this flat caricature of a character, which makes him unreal (and us believe that such guys simply can’t happen). By taking his reality out, we will not be as careful to notice when a new madman comes along (and there have been several since).
4. Yes, and ok, maybe it’s unfair to him, if that’s what you meant. But I think there are more important things to consider in the great scheme of things.

Crusader's avatar

Hitler was a product of Active World Greed and/or indiffernece.
Anyone who knows a German knows they are very Action-oriented.
Hitler as characature? Perhaps. As a human is was a choir coy in his youth and awarded the iron cross first and second class in WWI. A legitimate war hero. Perhaps PTSD and chemical weapons used by the West contributed to his fury and dementia… The entire continent of Europe Starved during WWI, a food embargo…Starvation changes people..Anyone have parents/grandparents in the USA from the depression? Lots of hunger then but nor Nearly to the extend of WWI Europe. Many of the German people as a result of post WWI privation, depravation, starvation, and humiliation believed he was the Furer-the savior, to the very end-as Germany Prospered under him for fully 10 years. Five of those years without a single military engagement.
Germany was a God-fearing, prosperous nation until
WWI. Destabalizaiton of Russia by unscrupulous communists
and their allies precipitated this, as did mercurial
bankers around the world, large asian empires, and the Federal Reserve. The UK, French, and American Lords could not allow the upstart Germans, with their social security
honesty business dealings, and efficiency to compromise
their cash cow of empire. While at home the people
often lived in grinding poverty, child labor, executions of honest workers attempting to establish collective bargaining while Rockefellers, Carnegies, and MOrgons of the World became financial Gods, and their families still rule to this day…..Standard of living in Germany is even now better than the UK. The unscrupulous World Powers Hate this, but faith in Germany and its citizens is too strong for even two catostrophic wars to break… Germany has and continues to embrace a Christian God, not capitulating to the agendas of minority groups and their lies, mischaracterizations, and debauchery. Though this is a free country and some do so, most do not. Very family oriented, and loyal. The World brought out the Worst in Germany, annhihilating 40% of the male population in the process, selling the Fatherland all the weapons,
and making all the political concessions to insure
his destruction. The outcome was foregone. The largest
sin of Deutchland was in his citizens naivity, they are
very trusting and kind in general, and generous-particularly
to Germans, and why not? Take care of you Own house first,
then you will be an example to others. Long live the
Fatherland-And the Motherland (Russia) Reconciliation
is essential between the two…As they were natural allies
until the artificial ideology was thrust upon them
by the shadowy minorities within and complacent majorities
from without..

Jack79's avatar

ok Crusader, but apart from the fact that you’re obviously quoting someone else (that copy-paste was pretty lame), would you like to elaborate a bit more, with your own opinion?

Are you an admirer of what Hitler did (or tried to do)? If so, why? I’d like to hear an honest opinion, could be interesting…

Crusader's avatar

Jack,
Sorry to dissapoint, but this post was original.
Also, no, I do not like what Hitler did.
I respect him for his will and love of German people,
but admire him? No. My perspectives are historically
based, not ideologically driven.

Jack79's avatar

how come your lines are always so uneven? odd, I really thought it was because of pasting.

even though I understand all of your words and sentences, your post above still doesn’t make much sense. At least as far as the question is concerned.

Crusader's avatar

Your response is appreciated.
I expect the typical personal attack of
‘uneven lines’ and ‘odd’ given your temperment
towards my articulation. Particularly expected
is your relevance reference, ‘doesn’t make much
sense as far as the post is concerned.’
Thank you for your predictability.
That said, if you understood what it
means to live in a society that actually
genuinely cares for its elders and the welfare of its citizens for there sake, not a political tool for wealthy or hypocritite ‘minorities’ Relagating
them to ‘retirement homes’ and humorizing
the tragedy of such treatment with Simpson
episodes and other MSM. USA liberals also are embracing
queer debauchery and elevating them along with all other ‘minorities’ in addition and concomitant to this is the
encouragement of the dissolution of the family
proper and and and all values held by conservative
and/or independent-minded christian advocates
not to mention the continuous recidivist history
and government-sponsored reverse reacist and
white genocide through abortion encouragement of
white children, perhaps you are getting a clear
picture of reality? Not that I care if you do.
My intent is to reveal Truth, not convince contentious
liberal or neo con ideologues or debate semantics.

Jack79's avatar

Your posts do not make sense not so much because of the ideas presented, but because of the structure of your sentences and choice of terms. I have to always translate what you say into plain english, and it still doesn’t make much sense. You tend to drift off-topic, using complicated words to say much simpler things, which are often not relevant to the question.

So basically what you’re saying is:

Hitler’s Germany had good welfare. Today similar efforts are politically motivated and simply reduce people to beggars. US liberals support homosexuality, which is bad for family values. Let’s get back to basics. Abortion is a way of white genocide because white women kill their own kids. Am I getting it so far?

I really would be interested in hearing a civilised argument from what appears to be a far right angle. Usually all I hear from your side of the political spectrum is “I hate foreigners because they take our jobs”. Usually coming from someone who never studied, never worked, and lives off his parents’ pocket money.

Crusader's avatar

Yes, Jack, I appreciate your response, thank you.
I write in a stream-of-consciousness prose format
that, I believe, in combination with erudite vocabulary
and a visceral component established through the momentum
generated is far more effective than a simple paraphrase.
For my part, I Absolutely Refuse to adhere to others
conceptions of what ‘appropriate’ or ‘politically correct’
versions of dissertation represent. Again, I do not communicate for the hypocrite, the vain liberal, or the willfully ignorant conservative, all self-serving, and/or believing contrary to me regardless of my contribution in any case, though I observe some of the pedantic in your
assertions of my ‘style,’ and appreciate the effort, as
I have appreciated the efforts of many teachers, though
I certainly did not embrace any so-called constuctive criticism
with the exception of once when I was asked to improve
the uniqueness of an object of personal expression, I happily
complied to this request.

As to your summary, yes, Hitler did have good welfare,
not only that, but the citizens behaved in a lawful and
productive capacity, such that crime was incredibly low
(impossibly low by Western standards,) and individual freedoms
for law-abiding families quite high, as was the standard of living. People Accepted their roles with honor generally,
even if that was what USA of today would call a
‘demeaning job’ or a job that ‘Americans do not want.’
All contributions were honorable, and all law-abiding
families honored. (Quite the opposite in the USA often times.) Social status was Much Less stratified.
USA liberal Do Not encourage individual accountability, contrarily, they encourage it for profit and blame the right.
Just look at the rap(e) videos, listen to the xxx rap(e)music
in any pub across the nation, debauchery everywhere.
Including family locations, grocery stores, etc..Homosexuals
bi-sexuals, transgenders are Elevated Above Straights, such
that it is financially and culturally advantagous to do so,
particularly whites, as we are not protected by the NAACP or the ACLU, (white women in the latter in some cases,) thus, reduced access to higher education, more likelihood of being
victimized in a Hate crime, (though, for the love of God I do not know why attacks on Whites by other races are Not considered Hate crimes in addition to the crime itself, are the prisons really that full?) Less confident individually, less likely to congregate with other whites for fear of being labed ‘racist’ and victimized physically or economically.
Also, even after graduation from a university less opportunities present themselves and whites carry more debt
for lack of scholarship opportunities based on race and/or sexual orientation. ‘Basics’ as you so eloquently phrased it
is simply justice and fairness. Rewarding hate and punishing tolerance for the sake of racial blending ‘multi-culturalism’ is a volitile combination, and revolution is not far behind…though an Idiocracy ruled by hypocrite self-righteous liberal and/or neo con elites is more likely.
Regarding abortion…parents of mixed race children, or darker skinned children, other than white, or Far Less Likely
to terminate the life of their blood, perhaps they know
that their child will have an Advantage over the white child..Perhaps they feel less guity because they are not both white, from media, school,etc..Perhaps the (nearly always,)
black/latino/asian father, (almost never a white father and black/latino/asian mother, especially if she is very attractive/and/or successful-see the Huckstable, Lisa Bonet Never dated a white boy, though she was very attractive, or the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, many other, how about BET-every show..)he wants to ingratiate himself with their money, and the status of the white girlfriend…...and ingratiate himself
with the (accountably and often relatively prosperous,)white girls family.
Now…. the money, jobs, and housing values..all evaporated simultaneausly, coincidence? Hardly.
No generation wants to be marginalized, but after 50 years
of wealth distribution, hypocrisy, distortions, mischaracterizations, debauchery, and worst of all,
deaths of unborn (95% of 70 million since 1967 from two white parents,) its time
to call a spade a spade and return to civility, honesty,
and personal accountability-collective accountability will follow…... End Affirmative Action, the NAACP
Or, at least initiate a counter-point NAAWP-(first, degrees of blackness and whiteness have to be determined, why has the NAACP not done this already, how dark Does you skin tone
ned to be to warrent ‘selective socialism’?)
and curtail the ACLU.
Lastly, expand Hate Crime legislation
to include All races and lifestyles, queer to straight,
black/brown/asian to white and vise versa. End the social and economic persecution of straight independent and conservative (Chritian-oriented particularly, and otherwise,) whites.
Censor the filth from particularly music media, pandora’s box is open, however, that should not dissuade us from replacing
the demonic influences as much as possible, particularly on
public venues. Dems want equal time on Rep talk show
but allow xxx masogynistic ofter Racially Hatred charged
media to be pervasive? Hypocites. Worse. Demonic.Thoug most Reps are indifferent of hypocritical themselves…Center-
Right is the Objective. Socially conservative, financially moderate, but this is what is best for the People and not
the financiers, racist, and opportunists…..

And as far as Hitler was concerned about retaliation
against a perceived threat/enemy, and the erradication of
that enemy, he learned it from the Old Testement, when
the Israelites utterly annhilated the Magog, every man, woman,
and child at the behest of God. This was replaced by the New Testement, (which modern Zionism does Not recognize.)Hitler was wrong to abondon the New Testement, and his was a legacy of destruction and elitism. A brotherhood of man based upon Personal/Collective Accountability and Love is the objective, (though there are Many who would seek to
subvert this with hypocritical self-serving devisive laws.) Would that the world employed Love and Personal accountability and be association, collective accountability so evidenced in Gemanic culture, and Russian often times, and certain others…particularly for the freedomsand protection enjoyed
by German and Russian women and society in general, while maintaining traditional values and strong families… it is remarkable they govern themselves so well with a world opposed to such a blend of tradition and freedom….

Jack79's avatar

1. What about the attacks on Jews (before the “final solution”)?
2. I think attacks on whites are not considered “hate crimes” because they are usually not racially motivated. Similarly, if I beat up a black guy and steal his wallet, it will not be considered a hate crime. If me and a bunch of guys with white hoods beat him up and don’t steal anything, I think it’s pretty obvious what our motivation would be.
3. I get your point about some of our popular culture, but I’d still put Freedom Of Speech over Tastefulness most of the time. At least for now. I currently live in Greece where democracy has perhaps gone too far (it’s easier to swear on daytime TV than to get an order removing child porn from the internet).
4. Yes, I agree on the hypocricy of Political Correctness, though my attacks to it come from the opposite side – I believe it pretends to solve the problem by fighting the symptoms and not the cause.
5. I’m neither Jewish nor a big fan of Zionism, but I think that eradicating a whole group of people like that is at least irrational (regardless of the moral implications of killing even one person). Whatever some Jews may have done in the past does not (in my view) justify this, in exactly the same way that Hitler’s Holocaust does not justify 50 years of genocide against Palestinians in the Middle East.

Crusader's avatar

Hello Again, Jack

Nice to hear from you. Thank you again for your thoughtful
assertions, I appreciate them.
To Reply:
1.) Yes, There were incidents of attacks on wealthy Jewish
business owners prior to the Final Solution.
Again, Germany is a quite intergrated culture,
wealthy and poor meet for pilsner at the pub and
church, etc..Jewish people at this time well mor often
then not wealthy, and did not associate with Germans,
preferring their own people for socialization, synagogue
and business affairs.

In short, they accepted the
generosity and magnanimy of the Germans, (much higher
percentage by population of Jewish bankers, lawyers,
etc..Very Few Jewish teachers, police…all the Money
professions, few of the culture integration
professions,)Also, Jewish prosperity After WWI
increased Dramatically while the average German
was very poor, six people in one room was common.

often senior Germans would commit
suicide to spare their children the burden of
caring for them-because of the freefall of the
German Mark, and their fixed income…Whereas,
Bankers, business people, and lawyers profited
Greatly from currency speculation, Germans
believe that what is good for the group is
good for the individual, a group of 60 million
people, Zionism is very different. The tenents of
which allow for the virtual economic ‘enslavement’
of non-Jewish people to advance Jews. Thus Krystalnackt.

We Capitalist have difficulty in understanding
what a Christian Socialism is, instead, having
the option of rampant ‘Christian’ conservative (Greed)
Or rascist, selective socialist liberal hypocrisy.
Both sides benefit Jews, while we live in constant
state of selfish hypersexualization of the youth,
high crime, corrupt rascist democratic politicians,
perpetual world conflict, and the demonization of
traditional families. To secure complete power
the hypocrite ‘faiths’ and Christian haters need
to destroy that faith, read Lenin on this…

They promote athiesm and debauchery to everyone else
yet insist on virtuousness in their own cirles…
This hypocrisy, elitism, and mercurial opportunism
Germans simply will not tolerate, even if it is in
their benefit to ‘play along’ they are Intensively
Loyal to each other, as well as open-minded in general
and Tolerant, when the Jews had no where else to go
Germany allowed them to practice their elitist
hypocritsy for Centuries, no other Western European
nation permitted Zionism, except Germany…

Poverty and Hunger drive men to do strange things…
So does hypocristy, deception, and theft…
That said, financial leaders/groups without
Accountability, Love, and Honesty, as primary principles
their will generally be consequences from those
who value such things, revolutions all of the world
Remember Bastille Day? Millions of aristocrtic French
murdered, women and children and elderly, for what?
Same reason. Hypocristy, greed,corruption, and
elitism…Zionist Jews are NOT the only victims in
history,just the best funded, and often the most
ruthless-reducing the potential of others while
ennobling it in themselves.

Germans pride themselves on advancement
of the mind,(Read Thus Spake Zathustra,) Actually the
two races have much in
common, both very intelligent, ambitious, and often
ruthless, yet Gemans often will sacrifice personal benifits
for the sake of others, even other races, as they did for the Zionist Jews for hundreds of year..This selflessness without personal benefit is
much less frequent in Zionism.

Crusader's avatar

Hello Again, Jack

To Reply; 2.) Your supposition that attacks on whites
are not Hate Crimes is predicated on what?
Know that their are as many blacks and
latinos ages 30 and under as their are
whites.

They are not the minority anymore
Also, eight times more crimes are committed
against whites by these groups and whites
commit against them, how do you explain this?
particularly in light of financial,
scholastic, and cultural benifits given to
non whites for the last 50 years? I will a
answer for you.Rascism. Hate. Hypocrisy.

Northern Asians, particularly Koreans, and
sometimes Japanese and Chinese, are more or
less law-abiding accountable, and live together
peaceably with whites in good neighborhoods.
When Blacks and Latinos, (and Indians) can
properly govern themselves and their own
behavior, then their will be equality.

But so long as they are criminals, (and
media/culture encourages this particularly in this
demographic,) and so-called ‘minorities’ far
more aften than white skinned races, they will
have Benifits…Rewarding Hate and Violence.
Their may have been a time when this
wealth/opportunity destribution was a noble
and righteous cause, but not now, just the
reverse. As in Reverse racism, demographic
redistribution, (white couples not able to afford large families, or Any children due to the expense
of subsidizing often hateful, ungrateful, and self-righteous
racist black, latino, Indian, Jewish, families,and queers, or any race group that benefits from racist government wealth and opportunity redistribution.Their solidarity is defined as
just and noble, ours is defined as racist and selfish…
Deception, Hypocrisy, Greed. Perhaps the worst of them
all are the caucasions who pander to the debauchery and
greed and racist policies of communist christian hating
liberal Zionist hypocrite extremists. The tradional family
with a social conservative and financially moderate position
(a very productive and egalitarian model, bringout out the best in all citizens not just profit and contentiousness,)
Is the minority By Far. Yet they are the last and only
group-(all races involved, yet mostly caucasion and white asians ascrible to this beleif and NO political party represents it, yet…) That can truely preserve America.

To Reply; 3.) I am confused by your response here,
you prefer unmitigated media, even it
includes (illegal) child porn that is
difficult to remove legally?
Hmm. I suggest you reassess your values…
Free Speech designed to enslave through
Fear and Debauchery is not Free.

Crusader's avatar

Hello Jack,

Reply; 4.) Political Correctness is a tool
tool undermine and sabotage straight
(white primarily,) men, (and women,) of
European Heritage. Plain and simple.
Religion is secondary, economics is
the primary emphasis here.

Reply 5.) As far as my heritage, I May be part Jewish,
but I am certainly not Zionist, though
naturally, there is an appeal to having
membership to an elite financial group
based upon my anscestry, I refuse to
accept the paradigms as they are man-made
not of Christ. And, perhaps we have learned
now to not eradicate each-other due to
racial differences, yet faiths/groups that do
not employ Accountability, Charity, (Love) and
Honesty with others, Regardless of ethnicity
or faith, are Always going to be catalysts
for violent potential, people feel justified
to retaliate when they are stolen from, lied
to, suffered a loss of a loved one from,
etc..

With Tact, Honesty, Accountability, and
Love… diplomacy and war are not necessary….
Neither Jew nor Greek, Free nor Slave,
but One in the Body of Christ…..
That is our Only Salvation…..

I certainly do Not promote genocide,
But I acknowledge human nature and
resentments for displacement, injustice,
run deep and for generations…
Truely, a Christian-Based Socially Conservative
Financially Moderate Meritocracy Government
is best.

Religious freedom should be accepted
but other faiths Not elevated, just
acknowledged…Because all other faiths
are almost exclusively race-oriented….
Liberty and Equal opportunity for
All based upon Accountability, Charity, (Love)
and Honesty. Traditional families encouraged,
and Subsidized, non-traditional families,
(queers, plural marriages,) discouraged
and Not Subsidized….The reverse of
what I have just stipulated is true
in the USA-Demon Country….

Jack79's avatar

Some clarifications:

2) a hate crime has to do with motivation, I think my example was clear. If a purple person attacks an orange person for money (or vice versa) it is not a hate crime. If a green person attacks a pink person because the green person doesn’t like pink, then it’s a hate crime.

3) I meant that I prefer freedom of speech over tastefulness in most countries. I used Greece as an extreme example of democracy, where perhaps some sort of censorship would be justifiable. No, I don’t like child porn. And I don’t like people swearing on TV either. At least not unless they have to. It seems to me that swearing has become a habit, and it’s used to challenge the authorities and see how far we can go before we get arrested. I have also heard swearing that was fine within the context of a show and did not bother me at all. If a cop gets shot in an action movie I don’t want him to say “oh dear, this hurts very much indeed. Now I wonder where that gentleman that shot me may have gone”

I am sorry but this conversation has already drifted off topic and to be honest it has tired me now. But thank you for your input.

Crusader's avatar

Hello Again, Jack Thank you for your postions.

Here is my response;

1.) If purple attacks for money AND Hate-it is still Hate
even if purple may not admit it…
2.) Freedom of Speech designed to enslave through
fear, guilt, and outright deception is not free.
3.) Sorry you feel the topic is not consistant.

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