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Is Superman the perfect super hero?

Asked by alossforwords (597points) March 26th, 2009

Take into consideration, the strength, the cool tricks, the flight, the mask (Clark Kent) which depicts his view of mortals, the place where he goes for help (Fortress of Solitude), his selfless agenda… Did Siegel and Shuster create the perfect good guy?

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asmonet's avatar

He wouldn’t be very popular if he was ‘perfect’.
That’s the appeal of superheroes, they’re flawed like us.

essieness's avatar

I would like to hear the conversation that prompted this question.

El_Cadejo's avatar

Superman is by far the worst superhero.

essieness's avatar

^^ it’s so about to be on^^

El_Cadejo's avatar

bring it…
the only good superman comic i ever read was the one were he was killed off by doomsday

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

Aquaman is the worst superhero.

Best? It’s all about Green Lantern.

El_Cadejo's avatar

Everyone knows that aside from Batman all of DCs characters are lame…..

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

What about the Watchmen?

shockvalue's avatar

Superman is a POS.
Here’s why: I read this about a year ago, and it rang so true I printed it out, bookmarked it AND illustrated my own handbook based off of it.

shockvalue's avatar

@uberbatman Just one more reason I love you (like I needed another)

asmonet's avatar

Instructions to kill Superman if you are not an idiot:

1. Locate Kryptonite.
2. Crack open the champagne.

The. Fucking. End. Essie.

tiffyandthewall's avatar

i’ve always had a thing against him. i think it’s based on how much i hate that he just tears off that goddamn suit, takes his glasses off, and suddenly everyone is like “OMG who is supaman? i cannot tell! he looks sooo unfamiliar!”

asmonet's avatar

^F’real.

GAMBIT's avatar

Batman is the greatest superhero because he doesn’t come from another planet and he doesn’t really have any powers except his brain and his man made tools to help him fight the bad guys.

Randy's avatar

Superman is a Super-joke! Think about this, Superman is ultimate. He is insanely strong, he can fly, and he can’t be hurt by anything but Kryptonite. That right there, one would assume, is enough to keep Metropolis safe and that’s not even close to his full list of powers. As AMAZING as Superman is, he always manages to find himself in trouble with some villain who gets a hold of Kryptonite. I mean really, is there a vending machine where evil doers can get that stuff? It seems pretty plentiful for a space substance. I just think that a hero so super should be able to do a better job protecting one city. Batman does just as good of a job protecting Gotham and he’s a man that actually can get hurt.

MrItty's avatar

Superman is no where near a perfect superhero. Because he didn’t work for anything he got. His father shipped is baby-ass to a planet that had a sun that gave him magic powers. None of his abilities are by choice or effort. He can do those things simply because he can do them. He’s every bit as special as a human being who can, for example, see, walk, speak, grow, etc.

A real superhero is someone who strives for his calling, who devotes his life to goodness. Someone like Batman. He’s the perfect Superhero.

J0E's avatar

Superman is my least favorite super-hero because he is too perfect.

Drawkward's avatar

Batman > Superman.

madcapper's avatar

WORST super hero ever! He can do fuckin anything!!! and his arch-nemesis is an extremely smart rich guy?? Oh no look out Superman!! I mean you can only fly around the world so fast that you change the direction of it rotation hence turning back time…

J0E's avatar

I never really understood the Kryptonite thing either. Why would it be painful to be close to a piece of his home planet? Didn’t he live there at one time?

gambitking's avatar

Superman is awesome, but no way is he the perfect superhero. A lot of people think his greatest weakness is Kryptonite. But we all know it’s really his apprehension to killing people and Lana Lang, and well, most chicks.

MrItty's avatar

@J0E, the theory is that kryptonite isn’t just a piece of Krypton, it’s a radioactive part of Krypton. Kryptonite radioactivity is apparently deadly to Kryptonians, as Earth radioactivity is deadly to humans.

Yeah…..

gambitking's avatar

@GAMBIT Batman can’t be better just for those reasons. If we’re going by those criteria, then you’re also saying the following are better than Superman: The Punisher, The Green Arrow, Ironman, Capt. America, Nick Fury… AND… Elektra and Batgirl?

Really?

El_Cadejo's avatar

@gambitking uhhh all those you listed kinda are better than superman…...

Especially Iron Man

gambitking's avatar

@uberbatman . Okay, maybe maybe not. Iron Man is awesome. But he’s pretty much a mortal guy with a suit. Weaker than Superman.

Either way, I’m biased because of Smallville. So I can’t remain objective, especially when we’re talking about regular schmo’s with cool toys fighting evil.

Oh yeah, one more on the list I forgot: Chuck Norris. Now there’s something we can agree on.

phoenyx's avatar

Superman = hope, good will always prevail over evil

I’m fine with it, but it doesn’t make for an interesting character.

Superman is also vulnerable to magic.

phoenyx's avatar

I should point out that the superman created by Siegel and Shuster is considerably different than the one we have now. He didn’t have freezing breath. He didn’t have heat vision. He wasn’t invulnerable to practically everything. He couldn’t fly; he “leaped tall buildings.” Whenever they added more powers to him he became more popular. However, he eventually became so powerful that he became boring. That’s why DC did that vulnerable energy being thing with him for a while.

GAMBIT's avatar

@gambitking – Anyone willing to put their life on the line knowing that they are just a regular person. Is better than someone with super powers whose chances of getting hurt are minimal. I would rather have Batman and all the other mediocre heroes you’ve mentioned because they have heart and that is what is needed more than x-ray vision.

essieness's avatar

Am I the only chick reading this and laughing my ass off? You guys are nerding the fuck out.

GAMBIT's avatar

@essieness – yes you are right just don’t get us started on Star Trek. Then we will really have a discussion.

Allie's avatar

Batman, people. Batman all the way.

Dr_C's avatar

no way man.. freakazoid was the shiznit… and static shock!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahha

NO

phoenyx's avatar

@essieness Nerding out? This is regular work conversation for me, barely the tip of the iceberg.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@gambitking Thats what makes Iron Man so awesome like Gambit said. Hes just a regular guy, actually hes weaker than your average guy due to his heart. Yet he took his weakness and made it into his strength and is willing to risk his life to save others. That takes heart…. :P

@Dr_C FREEEAAAK OUT!!!!

@phoenyx you and me both :P

alossforwords's avatar

@phoenyx The very original Superman was a villain. I’m not disagreeing, but all Superheroes evolve.

@anyone who said Ironman… I chose this link because of the icon in the searchbar. You don’t even have to read to know how I feel: http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maghow.htm

@Everyone who said Batman… Batman’s quest begins as a selfish journey to revenge, but he learns the price of justice is sacrifice. He is a great superhero, but perfect? There is always someone smarter, right? I agree everyone should know who Superman is because his outfit does not exactly fool anyone. But in a city owned by Wayne Enterprises… hmmm… who could possibly afford a Batmobile, Batwing, Batsuit, Batarmor, 1000s of toys… and if his intelligence is the winning quality, wasn’t The Joker a genius? I look at Batman and see the power of money.

In regards to The Watchmen… Dr.Manhattan is a god. Your hero loses interest from the audience when he or she can destroy everything at will. Ex. Dark Phoenix, Dr. Manhattan, Dr. Manhattan, and Dr. Manhattan, oh and God if the Bible were a graphic novel.

I’ve heard these arguments.

Superman has rappers endorsing him; he has drinks named after him. He doesn’t have to help humans, but he chooses to. He is not motivated by revenge, rather compassion. He does not use or make money to accomplish his goals. He is solar-powered.

…??? Are we really giving our superhero trophy to a spoiled, rich, man who can’t get over his parents’ deaths?

El_Cadejo's avatar

@alossforwords your argument for superman works just as good for Captain Planet…..

except captain planet is much cooler.

alossforwords's avatar

It doesn’t work for the kid that got stuck with the Power of Heart.

kevinhardy's avatar

he should be more like ozymondias from watchmen

alossforwords's avatar

@phoenyx I wish I could give you a million points for a great answer.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@alossforwords i said Captain Planet, not the planeteers.

@phoenyx lol4rl

essieness's avatar

still giggling

asmonet's avatar

Captain Planet, he’s our hero…gonna take pollution down to zero…

El_Cadejo's avatar

@asmonet it took you like a half hour to write that….
saving the planet is the thing to do…

asmonet's avatar

I was reading the Jelly Table log. :)
I fail, I know.

asmonet's avatar

Also, how can anyone resist LeVar Burton in a cartoon? I mean, really.

Triiiple's avatar

he is secretly a pedophile now what do you thinka bout perfect

TheRocketPig's avatar

If you want to see a flawed Superman… read Red Son. He’s watching you

it’s the ONLY Superman story I’ve ever liked.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@TheRocketPig Oh man i forgot to mention that, I LOVED Red Son.

asmonet's avatar

@TheRocketPig: High fucking five.

essieness's avatar

OMG this thread is still going? Good job getting the nerds riled up, @alossforwords, LOL!

asmonet's avatar

/shame. <3

JellyB's avatar

Yes he is. Period!! :)

Triiiple's avatar

He can die from a space rock…

JellyB's avatar

@Triiiple But his powers are so much more cooler than everyone else’s!

graynett's avatar

If truth, just-us and the American way is your Ideal then Superman needs no support from us, one yellow sun ers

El_Cadejo's avatar

@graynett “just-us” please god tell me thats not supposed to be justice…..

graynett's avatar

fraid so justice in America is limited to public acceptance of what’s right. As a non-American admirer of so much that is American. I believe that most citizens think that the ends justify the meant and that bad behavior can be accepted. The rest of the world don’t understand why the consumption of 80% of the worlds resources is normal that’s why Superman is my favorite super HERO

Jenkins's avatar

IIRC wasn’t he one of the first ‘superheroes’? If he was it would kind of make sense for him to be perfect – I imagine the creators didn’t think about futureproofing there idea of superheroes.

Oh I thought I had a point to make, but I’ve completely forgotten, ah well.

drdoombot's avatar

Superman can be a very interesting character when written well. Check out Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely’s twelve-issue All-Star Superman series to see Superman portrayed perfectly.

life_after_2012's avatar

yep!!! i think dc would sell a shit load of comics if they made superman loose his memory or something, but let him be a villan for a while and force the entire dc universe to try and help him or kill him and have him kill some superheros’ off too – but that would never happen – beside superman can’t fuck with the hulk – the hulk would beat the dogg piss outta clark – atleast thats what i think

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