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Is there anywhere in the world where one can live as a nomad, without heed to the laws of any particular country?

Asked by FireMadeFlesh (16538points) June 2nd, 2009
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The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

I know where you’re coming from but the only land mass that doesn’t fall under the jurisdiction of any world government is Antarctica.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@The_Compassionate_Heretic Is the penguin protected by international law, or could you hunt it to survive?

jackfright's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh i dont think anyone would be around to report it even if it were protected by international law.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@jackfright Most likely not, and if they did you would probably receive compassion for doing what you had to in order to survive under adverse conditions. What I want to know though, is if national or international law prevents people returning to our ancestors’ way of life, hunting and gathering, and following herds of wild animals from place to place to maintain availability of food.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh I’m not an expert on international law so I can’t answer that.
That aside, the point is moot because one person would not be able to survive in those conditions for an extended period.

There are those who do live “off the grid” sustainably in remote, inaccessible areas, but they are still subject to the laws of their country. Otherwise, we’d have criminals moving out to all these lands as a safe haven from prosecution.

psyla's avatar

Are there are still 1 or 2 isolated islands left in the world or have I watched too much “Lost” on TV? The other option is the seafloor. It would take extravagant machinery, but who knows? Maybe there is a Country down there somewhere we don’t know about. If I was to bet, I’d say there already is one or more seafloor civilizations currently.

augustlan's avatar

^^ Atlantis!

Dog's avatar

I am certain that such places exist. However what I am not certain of is whether it would be a better life being a nomad in such a lawless and free state versus being a nomad in a country where you have basic human rights and a legal system in place to defend them

psyla's avatar

@YARNLADY since the topic here includes Outland areas, what happened to your question comparing revenge & justice? For a minute there it was unavailable while being moderated, now it seems to no longer exist, like a Saharan Nomad.

Let me add underground caverns as an additional outlaw area.

YARNLADY's avatar

I doubt there is any such place. If you want to live off the land, you have to follow the law of nature, if nothing else. There are an estimated 30–40 million nomads in the world today. Approximately 30% of the Mongolia’s 2.9 million people are nomadic or semi-nomadic. Iran still has one of the largest nomadic populations in the world, an estimated 1.5 million in a country of about 70 million. The S├ími of Norway, who number in the thousands, continue their nomadic ways. Each of these groups are still bound by the laws of the countries they reside in, but are isolated enough to rarely run afoul of the laws.

YARNLADY's avatar

@psyla the question you refer to has been judged a duplicate and withdrawn.

psyla's avatar

The question disappeared! Can you see it? Maybe I was banned from it? I can’t find it.

Let me add inaccessable mountaintops as an additional Outland area.

LKidKyle1985's avatar

You know, a large population in Mongolia still live like they did thousands of years ago. I suppose no matter where you go, you are subjected to some kind of law, whether that the laws of a country, or unspoken laws or rules of a group or small tribe of people. I suppose if you are in the middle of no where living off the grid, it doesn’t matter where you are, there really aren’t any laws anyways.

Randy's avatar

Bear, Panther, Cougar and wild boar are all nomads that pass through the area where I grew up. Maybe if you asked nicely, one of the groups would let you join… then again, maybe not.

Try explaining laws to and how one should act to be a functioning member of society to a hungry bear or a blood thirsty boar…

psyla's avatar

Might is always right.

dynamicduo's avatar

Generally speaking, all of the land has been taken or claimed by countries. After all, it’s a limited resource.

Thus many people who think about building their own nation consider turning to the seas, as one could theoretically live in international waters. But even the biggest of them, Sealand, still has issues and pretty much no population at all.

I would love to go somewhere where you propose, but sadly I don’t think it’s possible in today’s day and age. The best I intend on doing is grabbing as much land as I can and blocking everyone else out.

jrpowell's avatar

As discussed on Mefi yesterday some folks want a floating boat that Ayn Rand would love.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@YARNLADY and @LKidKyle1985 Thanks, that is more what I am looking for. If, for example, the Mongol tribes were to attack each other as they would have thousands of years ago, would the Mongolian government have an obligation to step in and bring about some sort of peace?

Zaku's avatar

Waterworld. International waters and The Floating Garbage Continent in the Pacific Ocean. Or other places – you just need to not get caught by the law-making righteous agriculturalists.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@Zaku I’m not sure I want to live there, but thanks for the thought…..

Crusader's avatar

International waters, on a vessel, like Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan and most other mega rich who embrace collectivism in theory but separate themselves as far as possible personally….

CMaz's avatar

Yes there are, in a way. The problem is the word “nomad”. You will need suplies to live off the land.
That takes money and that keeps you on the grid.
I guess if somoene was to finance your exile from society you could hide. But that is all it would be. Hiding. I know people that do that.

oratio's avatar

I want to hunt penguins with @FireMadeFlesh

crisw's avatar

@oratio
But penguin tastes terrible. :>D
”“If it’s possible to imagine a piece of beef, odiferous cod fish and a canvas-backed duck roasted together in a pot, with blood and cod-liver oil for sauce, the illustration would be complete.””

oratio's avatar

@crisw No no, I am a vegetarian.

LKidKyle1985's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh my guess is that keeping the peace is one of the big benefits of having the government around. But like in Pakistan, those tribes are attacking each other and the government, and there’s not a lot their government can do to stop it. But I don’t really know I’m just guessing at this point how all that works

adreamofautumn's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh just in case penguins are protected under international law, I would recommend keeping your nomadic ways away from here because there are definitely people there!

YARNLADY's avatar

@ChazMaz It is not true that you need money to live off the land. There are thousands of people in every large city of the US and thousands more in the wilderness who live entirely off the grid with zero money.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@LKidKyle1985 Thanks, good answer. @adreamofautumn Good advice. But after @crisw‘s answer, maybe stealing food from there would be best (which, I realise defeats the whole point of the question, to be a legal nomad).

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