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ubersiren's avatar

Do you agree with Keith Olberman...?

Asked by ubersiren (15140points) June 6th, 2009

…that Fox News, especially Bill O’Reilly, was partly responsible for George Tiller’s murder?

Here is what Olberman has to say about it. Clicketty

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jessnuss's avatar

incendiary rhetoric reaps what it sows….

Aethelwine's avatar

I don’t agree at all. Olberman is no better than O’Reilly, they are just on different sides.

jrpowell's avatar

‘He’s guilty of ‘Nazi stuff,’ said O’Reilly on June 8, 2005

The dude will say anything for a dollar.

More about Tiller.

And fuck O’Reilly and the idiots that watch his crap.

LKidKyle1985's avatar

I think you are misunderstanding him. They are responsible for inciting his murder, not the actual murder. And I think he is right, any reporter with any sense of dignity would not be nick naming people “tiller the baby killer”. Abortionist already put themselves in danger just by doing there job. And then you have fox news publicly calling tiller out and claiming he is one of the worst ones etc. What do they expect would happen.

eponymoushipster's avatar

i think watching blowhards on tv “news” is retarded, no matter what group you’re for or against. it’s a televised version of a troll thread on Fluther. no one wins, and it’s annoying real fast.

Blondesjon's avatar

Let me say first that I belive Bill O’Reilly and Keith Olberman are both pompous douchebags with personal agendas.

With that said I do agree with Olberman about O’Reilly, and FOXNEWS by proxy, being responsible. FOXNEWS has a long, rich history of simply repeating and pounding talking points into the television zombified heads of their viewers.

What I don’t agree with is that O’Reilly should be taken off of the air for what happened. He still should be allowed to enjoy the same freedom of speech rights as the rest of us.To fire him for what he said sets a dangerous precedent.

Now, if he were to become a financial burden to FOXNEWS because of all of this, well, you gotta protect your bottom line.

@eponymoushipster. . .you do know that we are both merely cute, tolerable trolls here, right?

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Blondesjon ok, i’ll be cute and you be tolerable.

westy81585's avatar

They definitely didn’t help matters. But what’s new, FOX does crap like this all the time. We’re only fortunate that it doesn’t go terribly wrong more often.

oratio's avatar

In my opinion Olbermann is often not much better than O’Reilly.

Blondesjon's avatar

@eponymoushipster . . .sweet, i’ve never been called that before

westy81585's avatar

@oratio I think Olbermann is better in the fact that he is (at least in my opinion) right far more often that O’Reilly. AND he tends to focus less on problems with differences in opinion, and more on problems with what people do (and I have seen him call out liberals, INCLUDING president Obama).

That having been said… they BOTH use the same asinine jackass way of getting their points acrossed.

basp's avatar

I’m not a fan of either of the men, however, O’Reilly claims he can move people to boycott countries with his words so what makes him think that his words won’t motivate his followers to murder someone?

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Blondesjon yeah, like i’m cute….

filmfann's avatar

Bill O’Reilly is a toilet stain. Yes, he is guilty for incitement here. I hope he stays on Fox, so that he can continue alienating clear thinking people from the Republican Right.
The GOP is in freefall, and O’Reilly, Limbaugh, and Beck are leading the charge. Olberman is, if anything, restrained here.

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archer's avatar

one of the few hopeful signs re our current culture is that this mentally ill person is at or near the very bottom of the ratings.

bea2345's avatar

Not coincidentally, this letter appeared in one of our daily newspapers. Our press follows almost every reference to Barack Obama.

westy81585's avatar

@archer I’m not sure which of the two you’re referring too, but I’m pretty certain they both have a few million viewers nightly…

archer's avatar

not a big o’reilly fan, but he crushes olberman in the ratings.

archer's avatar

@bea2345 the “thoughts” expressed in that letter are twisted and ridiculous. unbelievable

reijinni's avatar

Of course I agreed with him. Incitement of violence is not protected under the first amendment.

ru2bz46's avatar

As @archer says, O’Reilly is way ahead in ratings. Olberman has finally lost it and is calling for the removal of his competition. It’s just a battle of the talking heads. Move along, nothing to see here.

whatthefluther's avatar

Yet again, my decision to quit television viewing nine years ago has been validated. I much preferred Olberman many years ago as our witty local sports reporter. O’Reilly is an asshole, plain and simple. Neither is worth a moment of my time.

ubersiren's avatar

Soooo, nobody thinks O’Reilly or Fox is partly responsible for the murder? I just wanted to find out the extent of his influence and on the other side, gauge whether Olberman had much to do with your decision making on the subject. Not who is better or righter. Anyone who represents the far left or far right usually ends up encompassing more bad extremes than logic and level-headedness. They both drive me bonkers.

@ru2bz46 GA.

ru2bz46's avatar

For clarification, no, the responsibility lies with the murderer, not Fox, O’Reilly, nor even the talking spot on the guy’s tie. We are all responsible for our own actions. Otherwise, all those suicides and murder sprees are the fault of musicians as well. This clip is just Olberman throwing a tantrum in public, instead of behind closed doors where he may maintain some degree of dignity.

oratio's avatar

I just wonder if Bill feels bad about this, somewhere inside. Doe’s the man have a conscience, I wonder.

filmfann's avatar

@ubersiren Excuse me, but I did say that O’Reilly incited this. He has some responsablity here.

@oratio Bill is probably proud and boasting that this happened because of him. He is an arrogant ass.

westy81585's avatar

@oratio For millions a year, your conscious tends to stay quiet.

O’Reilly is ahead in the ratings, but I dont’ know that I’d call it “WAY” ahead….. And also Olbermann’s audience is growing steadily, while O“rielly’s has stayed steady for the past few years. (Just thought i’d interject with that)

(Plus, if you wanna be fair, most cable/satellite providers offer FOX news in lower bracket packages, and don’t offer MSNBC til you get a bit higher).

bea2345's avatar

@westy81585Plus, if you wanna be fair, most cable/satellite providers offer FOX news in lower bracket packages, and don’t offer MSNBC til you get a bit higher). That is a fact. My cable provider does not include MSNBC.

ubersiren's avatar

@filmfann : My apologies… yes you did say that.

I don’t agree, or disagree.

bea2345's avatar

A memory that I treasure is of the US press, Fox News most present, trying to interview a spokeswoman for the Aruba Justice Department during the Natalee Holloway case. She read a statement aloud. Each time the journalists tried to ask questions, she read the statement again, without additions or amendments. She ended up reading it at least 5 times. At no time did she answer any questions or volunteer any remarks. It was Fox News that suggested a boycott of Aruba by US tourists, arising out of the Holloway matter.

Aethelwine's avatar

I remember the journalists at FOX being one of the few with any kind words for Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primaries, besides Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan (of all people) at MSNBC.

To be honest, I don’t trust any of them anymore.

westy81585's avatar

@jonsblond I’m not sure which MSNBC you were watching…... I heard a lot of good stuff about Hillary on there.

Aethelwine's avatar

@westy81585 I supported Hillary and watched MSNBC every day. Did you watch Chris Matthews?

filmfann's avatar

MSNBC did give Hillary a hard time, while everyone but Chris Matthews gave Obama a free ride.

westy81585's avatar

@jonsblond Yah, But I don’t really remember anyone bashing hillary (at least no more than they bashed everyone else) ..... Except MAYBE for once it became clear she wasn’t going to win, but wouldn’t back out.

Aethelwine's avatar

@westy81585 It was a love affair with Obama on MSNBC (except on Scarborough). Hillary didn’t have a chance. Maybe you didn’t notice because you didn’t support her? I don’t know. I sure noticed. Maddow and Matthews took every chance to bash her. It made me not want to watch Matthews ever again.

Really?

Are you sure about that?

westy81585's avatar

@jonsblond I dunno… I guess I just didn’t really see it like that. I felt they were equally harsh of everyone. I did favor Obama, but honestly I’d have been happy with Hillary too (so I didn’t really have “much” of a bias).

Aethelwine's avatar

@westy81585 Can you tell I’m still bitter? :)

westy81585's avatar

hhahahaha, yep :) .... Don’t worry though, I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s the next president… and she’s still doing pretty important work.

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