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discoinferno's avatar

Is this site too heavily moderated?

Asked by discoinferno (379points) July 16th, 2009

Apparently a question gets deleted if someone insults someone else, or makes an ad hominem attack. Is this really necessary? Can’t just certain replies be deleted rather than a whole thread? Think of all the discussion that gets annihilated. Not to mention, I don’t get what the big deal is if an insult is thrown every now and then. Keeps things interesting. I think there should be a bit less censorship. If someone doesn’t play nice, that’s their choice. Others can choose to ignore them, or perhaps like Noel mentioned in an earlier question, an insulting comment can be buried with downvotes (Airowians, back me the fuck up).

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YARNLADY's avatar

No, and this question has been asked so many times, I’m surprised you didn’t find it in the search box.

Blondesjon's avatar

I have said before and will say again that I have been moderated more than most and have never once had a bitch about it.

This is a privately owned site and their house=their rules.

Aethelwine's avatar

We like to be respectful on this site. It works.

SuperMouse's avatar

No, this site is not too heavily moderated. Why should an ad hominem attacks be allowed? They add absolutely nothing to any discussion and can very easily lead a thread way, way, way off topic. I personally find intelligent discussion of compelling questions much more interesting than insults. If I want insults I’ll go see Don Rickles. It is each person’s choice whether to play nice, just as it is the site owner’s choice to disallow such behavior.

dannyc's avatar

I have not experienced it so far…

Blondesjon's avatar

@SuperMouse . . .Lurve…you hockey puck.

Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

Ive been here like 5 minutes and yes.

dalepetrie's avatar

Personally, I’ve been in an environment where the moderation was half-assed. I’m not there anymore. I am here. That should tell you something. Especially since I’m 100% in favor of free speech. The mods here are very, very wise, they won’t remove it if it’s not causing a problem, and most times, comments are removed, not whole threads for what it’s worth. I’ll tell you what would happen if they let the personal attacks fly.

This site would start crawling with assholes who would have far less interest in engaging in a debate than in shouting you down by calling you whatever names they had to in order to get you to disengage, so they could feel like they “won” the argument (something they are incapable of doing by using wit and logic). All your sharp, respectful people who want to be here because they can actually engage in thought provoking discussion would leave the site in disgust and you’d basically have another Q&A site just like the umpteen other shitty Q&A sites on the internet.

Bottom line, no matter HOW pissed I’ve been when something of mine was first removed, I was able to resolve the issue or understand why it happened, the mods are great, and they do what they do to give you the best damn Q&A site on the internet.

dalepetrie's avatar

…oh yes, and downvotes is contrary to the whole vibe about this site…you aren’t graded for good and bad…instead, lurve is given freely and voluntarily…if you don’t like it, you don’t give lurve.

Jayne's avatar

Yes. The moderators are slowly but surely forcing us to a completely homogeneous state of mind so that they can synchronize our brainwaves and control us remotely from their base in the CIA headquarters. They plan to install us as sleeper agents throughout the world until the day when they activate us to bring down the governments of our host countries, clearing the way for a new world order under the direction of the U.S.
Remember, you didn’t hear this from me. In fact, this conversation never happened.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Jayne . . .You shouldn’t oughta said that. . .

Jayne's avatar

Don’t you worry about me, I’m safe: I have a tinfoil hat!

Blondesjon's avatar

Curses @Jayne! One day we will find a way around your tin foil. Oh, a sorry day for you that will be, my friend, a sorry day indeed.

SuperMouse's avatar

@Jayne take off the tinfoil hat NOW! That want you to believe it will protect you, it actually gives them more control! Take it off for the love of God, take it off!

whatthefluther's avatar

This is a poll question and is contrary to the rules. You did bother to read the rules, didn’t you?

bcstrummer's avatar

I find this insulting

DELETE!!!!!!!!!

smack's avatar

Hahahahaha all the AIROW people are complaining because ALL we did over there is tear each other apart… quite ruthlessly, as well…

eponymoushipster's avatar

here’s a couple new rules:

when you come to the site, follow the guidelines.

also, the first time one of your questions is modded, you don’t get to post a question in response, arguing it.

Blondesjon's avatar

@smack . . .How. . .ewww?

Aethelwine's avatar

Sounds fun. @Blondesjon Wanna tear me apart?

discoinferno's avatar

Oh god, middle aged ladies making tinfoil hat jokes… /leavesthread

Tink's avatar

I bet the moderators are fckn tired of this shit already, happening all the time

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Tink1113 ain’t that the truth

Aethelwine's avatar

I lurve you Tink!

Blondesjon's avatar

@discoinferno . . .Unimaginative teen trolls with nothing better to do…gahhh.

Stays and parties in thread.

@jonsblond. . .I’ll get the cuffs. . .

Saturated_Brain's avatar

Sorry Disco. I’m a convert. I’m actually finding witty replies which insult through knowledge rather than personal attacks better.
Fluther is very heavily moderated, but I think that this engenders an atmosphere where people know that if they don’t post good and thoughtful comments they’ll probably be moderated. It’s give and take. But in my case, as the pacifist I am, I’m actually quite happy with the way things are.

Plus, I don’t like downvoting. Youtube is a marvelous case in point of downvoting gone wrong. It’s stupid how the system has been hijacked. And since this is the internet, it will be hijacked if we have it.

kenmc's avatar

It’s fair unless it’s against me. That’s taking it too far.

Jayne's avatar

@SuperMouse; Don’t be foolish. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to pack. I’m moving to Cuba to stay with the aunt I just discovered I have.

Tink's avatar

@boots Cute!!, but yes TROLL!

Ivan's avatar

Yet another demonstration of the problems with lurve.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Ivan . . .Perhaps if you smiled more often. . .

SuperMouse's avatar

@discoinferno why would you bow out of a thread after making the first personal attack – you were just starting to make it interesting right? What a charming young woman you are! @Blondesjon, thank you sir.

@Jayne, LOL4RL!

Ivan's avatar

Whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.

Tink's avatar

@Ivan I gave you lurve, does that help?
Don’t be a grump and enjoy it!

Jayne's avatar

@Ivan; The nice thing is that in a lurve-fest like this, none of it actually counts towards our scores because we are all old friends or at least acquaintances who have long since maxed out on one another. So we can joke around and show that we appreciate each other’s jokes, without getting “cheap” lurve or whatever you want to call it.

Ivan's avatar

@Jayne

I’m not worried about anyone’s total lurve score.

SuperMouse's avatar

@Ivan, excuse me if I missed this, but what is your issue with lurve and how does this question serve to demonstrate that issue?

Jayne's avatar

Then what are you worried about? I recognize that it takes some of the satisfaction out of getting a GA for a serious answer when it is so easy to get them for jokes or cheap quips (I once got 18 GAs for the word “clique”), but you just can’t take it too seriously and you have to treat different situations with different standards.

Aethelwine's avatar

@Ivan “Why so serious?”

Thanks for that one @J0E

Ivan's avatar

@SuperMouse, @Jayne

Lurve is used as a tool to simply say “YEAH!!” in a really condescending and childish way whenever someone says something you agree with. In a thread like this, lurve is rarely actually given out for a “great answer”.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Ivan . . .You became Chief of the Great Answer Police when?

Ivan's avatar

@Blondesjon

I meant to say that no one gives lurve when they think an answer is actually great. I wasn’t meaning to arbitrarily define what a great answer is.

SuperMouse's avatar

@Ivan thanks for the explanation. I think you are taking the whole “Lurve Thing” a bit too seriously, but thanks.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Ivan . . .I just gave you a GA for that.

whatthefluther's avatar

@Ivan….Let’s face it, lurve is really just an acknowledgement. “Great” answers are not defined and extremely subjective.

Ivan's avatar

@whatthefluther

I never meant to say otherwise. I meant to say that no one clicks “Great Answer” on threads like these because they’re actually thinking, “that’s a great answer.” They’re clicking GA because they’re thinking “YEAH, YOU TELL EM!!”

eponymoushipster's avatar

hey everyone, just to let you guys know – if you disagree with this OP, you’re old. like…35 years old old.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I’ve had several questions moderated, a couple of them disappeared completely, never to be seen again, and you don’t see me fucking whining about it. I was at another site with NO mods, and it sucked big rotten dead whale balls. I would never go back to that site, even if Fluther disappeared tomorrow. Please Bendrew, don’t take our fluther away!

Anyone who whines about the mods, or the lurve, or the unfairness they feel that they are receiving at the hands of the moderators are quite welcome to leave, and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

what the hell is an OP?

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whatthefluther's avatar

@Ivan….No argument here (tho @discoinferno would welcome me to tear you apart). GA lurve to you for your open, honest opinion (which you always seem to post and which I always appreciate). See ya…..wtf

Ivan's avatar

Just for the sake of completeness, I’m a veteran of two unmoderated sites and they were the best sites I’ve ever been on. <shrugs>

Judi's avatar

If you don’t wand moderation I have a great site for you here

Blondesjon's avatar

@discoinferno . . .Talk to me when you have moved out of mom and dad’s house, hon.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@Judi, I’m so glad you didn’t type that word out.

Jeruba's avatar

If you really value how well this site works, you won’t think so.

@Jayne, is that what it means to foil an attack?

whatthefluther's avatar

@eponymoushipster….What does that make me at 56 years old? damn monkey

eponymoushipster's avatar

@whatthefluther i dunno. but if you’re disagreeable, you’re old. in those terms, you should be dead! haha

whatthefluther's avatar

@discoinferno…Are you looking for a babysitter job? I’m sure @Blondesjon and @jonsblond would welcome the opportunity to put their kids in your hands.

SuperMouse's avatar

@Ivan, you make a good point, but I kind of like having a way to say GO GET EM! Especially in a thread such as this.

@discoinferno sweetie, up-thread you promised to leave. Go on now, stop insulting your fellow jellies and go to bed, it’s late and you have a lot of children to pretend to watch in the morning.

whatthefluther's avatar

@eponymoushipster….I’ll assess and advise.

Tink's avatar

@eponymoushipster No attacking old men allowed!!!:)

discoinferno's avatar

What I find amusing is how you all bitch about “This has been asked so many times before OMG!!!!!1”...and yet you all pounce on it like starving hyenas. Instead, you could kindly redirect me to the “so many” other threads that previously discussed this topic. But no, apparently, you all just thrive on this shit…which is funny, cause you try to play it off like it bothers you.

whatthefluther's avatar

@Tink1113…Thanks for looking out for me, kid.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@discoinferno not our job. see that little Google search box up the corner? yeah, you type the words there, and the magic computers do their thing. try it, you might like it.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@eponymoushipster but typing and searching for yourself is so hard, maybe she needs someone to hold her wittle hand.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra no no, she’s a big girl. got the Pampers Pull Ups to prove it.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I say that Bendrew should hire more moderators, who’s with me?

Blondesjon's avatar

@discoinferno . . .Make no mistake child, it does bother me. Fluther is constantly being bombarded with whiny children that can’t accept that their Lady GAGA question wasn’t up to par.

Get over it. It is the Internet and this is not ARROW nor is it your site. Those of us that do hang here tolerate a lot but we don’t tolerate whiners.

Aethelwine's avatar

@discoinferno Thanks for the laugh this evening. I’m so glad my boys will never bring a girl home like you.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Blondesjon when all else fails, though, try flirting with andrew. in the chat room. that’ll work.

@jonsblond burn!

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@Jeruba you are a very punny girl; now go to your room!

eponymoushipster's avatar

@jonsblond btw, you never bring a girl like that home. usually, you go to a motel off the interstate….

jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities's avatar

@Blondesjon Fluther is constantly being bombarded with whiny children that can’t accept that their Lady GAGA question wasn’t up to par.

Ha! I nearly peed myself.

discoinferno's avatar

@jonsblond I’m so glad you think you know who I really am.
@Blondesjon I actually didn’t ask any Lady GaGa questions, thanks. And having a critique and wanting to discuss it is not the same thing as “whining”

SuperMouse's avatar

@discoinferno see! When provoked by ad-hominem attacks on some of our best loved Flutherers, we jellies are capable of not playing nice! Is this what you meant when you spoke of making things more interesting?

@jonsblond I’m pretty sure it is girls like these who create obnoxious mothers-in-law. What a joy she must be to know in person.

Allie's avatar

@discoinferno Nah, you asked a Buffy the Vampire Slayer question.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Allie . . .Thank you for the clarification and I think you deserve a Wakka Wakka Wakka of your own.

Tink's avatar

I LOVE Fluther!!!

eponymoushipster's avatar

dammit all these old people are making fluther suck! stop it old people!~~~

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@eponymoushipster yeah, but how old are you in monkey years, hmmm?!!?

Aethelwine's avatar

@discoinferno You’ve portrayed yourself quite well.

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Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

Too heavily moderated? If theres a question then the answer is yes.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@discoinferno those last two sentences – true or false: you’re plagiarizing yourself from your speech to the football team?

Blondesjon's avatar

@discoinferno . . .I get it. Your mom and dad are on vacation and the babysitter is letting you stay up late.

Saturated_Brain's avatar

Actually, I realised that on threads that Flutherites don’t really deem important, anarchy and chaos rules after a few answers.

perhaps it’s an outlet of sorts

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Saturated_Brain yeah. it’s the reality television of fluther.

Aethelwine's avatar

@Saturated_Brain he shoots, he scores!

shilolo's avatar

[mod says] Although this question is asked ad nauseum, it has a place for new Flutherites to understand from more established ones how the site operates (and the pros and cons of moderation). However, it has clearly degenerated beyond the initial question. Further responses (other than the people already crafting, I’m watching) that don’t directly deal with the question and/or are personal attacks will be removed. Have a nice night.

YARNLADY's avatar

hahaha, taking full responsibility for all the fun, what a naive jelly. I suppose next she’ll take responsibility for pancakes and frizzers.

kenmc's avatar

@shilolo poop and peep! poop and pee!

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