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What intrigues you about religion?

Asked by Thujone (76points) August 1st, 2009

If anything?

The one priest at my church who didn’t patronize us every Sunday died yesterday. Suddenly going to church tomorrow seems like it’s going to be a pretty difficult thing to do. He was a great man, I’ll miss him. My pleasant memories of the Catholic church are being drowned out by our less than tuneful choir and being threatened with Hell every other week. Is this terrible of me? I’m pretty sure I’m missing out on the spiritual element of religion at the moment, but surely spirituality and organized religion aren’t the same thing..?

What inspires you about organized religion? Anything? There’s got to be something.

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torch81's avatar

I’m always struck by the faith of the people around me at church. During times when it has been difficult for me to attend church or to profess much of a faith, I’ve been able to draw faith from those around me.

The time just after the death of a friend or family member is a common time for people to question God, wonder about the need for church, and things like this. Don’t feel bad about having these thoughts. They are natural. Even Jesus was sad at the death of his friend Lazarus.

The God that I have come to know through my church has promised to be with his people at all times and in all places. It is in the darkest times, that God’s light shines the most brilliantly.

DominicX's avatar

I go to a Catholic Church every Sunday and I am not threatened with hell. We had one bad deacon whom my mom hated and he doesn’t talk very often. The monsignor is excellent and has a way of “touching” you; I don’t know how many times his talks have often made me teary-eyed. He’s just an excellent speaker. The things he talks about are always about applying religion and Jesus in your life and I just find them very positive. He never focuses on the negative; it’s always about how to live better. He’s not the only good one, either, like I said, there was only one bad one who made me feel uncomfortable to the point where I was considering walking out. Maybe it’s because no matter what he was talking about, he had to mention “sexuality”. He’s obsessed with it.

Anyway, the Catholic Church itself intrigues me. I find it very mysterious and interesting; the incense, the rituals, the candles, the feasts, the Latin, all of it. Many Catholics have never even read the Catechism or any part of it and thus do not know the teachings of their own church. They probably don’t know the part of the Catechism that says homosexuals don’t choose to be that way and that homosexual sex is the sin (since that is all that is mentioned in the Bible about it). The way religion has been incorporated into my life was simply a way to live your life better; it was positive, not negative. In my heart I know that is the ultimate message. I know that isn’t the same for everyone.

aprilsimnel's avatar

I got into the theatre of the Catholic church when I was more involved with it (I was baptized into Catholicism in my 20s). I still love the smell of incense. And when I was a teen I was fascinated by the blending of the enthusiasm of African worship style to a European religion tradition in the church my aunt took me to, though I stayed glued to my seat for the service except when I sang in the children’s choir.

Resonantscythe's avatar

The thing I Do like about organized religion is the fact that I was taught compassion, Love, forgiveness and understanding was the main Idea. i was raised catholic and in my church, we were made aware of hell, not told that we would go there if we didn’t live like a stereotypical saint. The Idea that was always conveyed was to know that people, all people, you me, and that guy who everyone thinks is so great( there’s one in every social group I’ve been in) Makes bad decisions and mistakes, and that it’s not for us to condemn them, but help them through it and understand that they are human.

That said after my family moved four years ago, I stopped going to church because I felt the ones around here were delivering the wrong message.

TheCreative's avatar

Here we go again. Religion. I’m expecting to see 80+ responses to this question.

flamingfart's avatar

If you were like me, surviving “hydrocefalis” and the cuing brain surgery, you would love the communication with Your Lord. You would also enjoy life more along with friends and relatves. I still love and miss my wife who threw me out because of my sickness. Will never get over losing her.

Thujone's avatar

@TheCreative Organized religion, even. I’m surprised Fluther doesn’t get more of these questions.

tramnineteen's avatar

I think it might be important to make a few distinctions. First the organization itself of organized religion, and the difference between an amorphous spirituality of one’s own brand. The organization is really heavy in Catholicism compared to non-denominational Christian churches, but they are still both “organized religions”. My personal belief (I’m Christian, non-denominational) is that as far as salvation goes, Catholic vs. Christian is irrelevant and is simply a matter of what you like more.

The other distinction is within the Catholic church there is doctrine and tradition. Doctrine is pretty much just “the bible”. Tradition is essentially everything else in Catholicism not strait out of the bible, such as saints, different categories of sin (moral, venial etc. ) and other things added to their belief from after Christ ascended into heaven. Tradition is why I’m not Catholic.

Anyway, there are good churches and bad churches. If you are just unhappy with yours it’s no sin, find a new Church! (be careful maybe not to judge the people there in a serious way, remember Matthew 7:3–5)

I have a favorite Church, a runner up and others I don’t mind around my city.

You might be letting your sadness and disappointment over loosing your preferred priest spill over into a feeling about the whole thing. I do that sometimes at least. I don’t know if that is the case with you, I don’t want to assume.

Anyway, good luck.

Zendo's avatar

I am intrigued that in the face of so many non-believers, the believers take the time to go to the church of their choice every week. I was brought up catholic, but have long since quit that practice. I think you could say I evolved out of it.

barumonkey's avatar

@Thujone: Per @DominicX and @Resonantscythe‘s messages, my suggestion to you would be to check around your local area churches (if you have more than one), and see if you want to switch. Each parish has a different style, and if you can find one that fits you more, you’ll get more out of it.

Darwin's avatar

I am intrigued that so many otherwise logical folks believe so thoroughly in something that is unprovable at best. Nonetheless, I do go to church because I enjoy being around folks who feel it is important to reach out and help other people.

The best preacher we had was in a different church where some folks did not like him and called a vote to oust him. The votes went in favor of keeping him on, but he felt it was time to move on, so he did. His replacement was a nice man, but, unlike his predecessor, not an intellectual and not experienced with the types of tragedies that beset folks every day.

The pastor in our current church is not an intellectual, either, but seems better able to appreciate the difficulties others go through.

Nonetheless, the congregation is a nice bunch of folks who do a lot of good both locally and across the world.

tramnineteen's avatar

@Darwin Is faith in something you can’t prove illogical? (i know you didn’t say so outright) People have experiences that confirm their faith all the time. God always keeps his promises. My life has never contradicted my religion, not even in the smallest ways. For me I consider that pretty strong evidence.

Absolute proof is a misnomer anyway. A small reason our legal systems says “reasonable doubt”. Further even things like science (which I don’t reject or anything crazy like that) and the idea of logic have axioms they are based on.

Darwin's avatar

@tramnineteen – I have never had an experience that confirms that any supernatural being is out there interested in our doings. In fact, if there is a god of some sort I suspect he doesn’t like me very much as the opposite of what I hope for is what tends to happen.

Nonetheless, I prefer to hang around with people who believe that it is important to help others, so I attend a church where that is a large part of things.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

What intrigues me is how violent people can get over it when most religions value peace.

Zendo's avatar

@tramnineteen Our legal systems clearly state that in criminal matters, guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. We require absolute proof to sway juries beyond a reasonable doubt.

tramnineteen's avatar

@Zendo I was referring to the “reasonable”. Absolute proof would be required to beyond any doubt. My point is splitting hairs.

@Darwin I’m not talking about seeing a floating man, or other stuff like that. I’m referring to experiences such as praying and having it immediately answered. I also will point out that when during periods of my life when my faith was weak I didn’t have any either, and then when I had a resurgence of faith I looked back and saw where God had been trying to reach me.

I also want to make sure you don’t think I was trying to judge you, I think it is awesome and honestly kind of amazing that you do go to church (and do volunteer work?) yet do not believe at all. Good for you, but I would urge you to have a more open mind.

Just because science and your personal experience have not found God doesn’t mean they won’t some day. (I don’t think science will, but there were many things that science has found that dumbfounded people)

BUT we have stopped answering the question at hand. We are off topic. Is there somewhere else we can debate this?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Marina took my answer
‘intrigue’ and ‘religion’ doesn’t really go together for me

Darwin's avatar

@tramnineteen – I certainly don’t believe in a floating man! But I also have never seen prayers answered.

And actually we aren’t that far off topic, but if it feels so to you, ask a question specifically designed to address this issue and your debate will happen.

augustlan's avatar

I am an agnostic atheist, but was raised nominally Christian. In 6th grade I attended a ‘Good News’ youth group with a very religious friend. Just for kicks, I decided to read the Bible cover to cover. What I learned from that was that you don’t need church to communicate with and worship God. If one believes in God, one should understand that he is everywhere, everyday… not just in a church on Sundays. I promptly quit the youth group, which was teaching things I didn’t condone and that didn’t seem to jibe with the Bible. My point here is that of course you can believe in God without religion.

All that said, what I do admire about organized religion is the sense of community it engenders. I’ve never felt a part of such a close knit group of people (well, besides Fluther).

tramnineteen's avatar

@Darwin (I’m new to Fluther so I wasn’t sure how strictly answers should address the question) I never saw my prayers answered when I was younger either, but my prayers were all for things I wanted for myself. The bible says you must pray “in His will”. However, if I sincerely pray for something like “God please help me stop feeling anger towards my boss” or “God, help me have faith that you will delver me from this bad situation” he answers my prayers, but a prayer without faith that he will answer it doesn’t really work. It all takes faith. A little at first granted, but a little will grow. Also God doesn’t always answer our prayers the way we asked or expect him to, he may have other better plans for us. They might even be painful but good for us in the long run.

Darwin's avatar

Well, I rarely want anything for myself. My husband is disabled, my son is bipolar, and my parents are both physically declining in a major way, and most of what I want revolves around their needs. My daughter is a believer, which makes me happy because it makes her happy, but it doesn’t work for me.

tramnineteen's avatar

@Darwin I didn’t mean to imply the same applied to you. I was a little kid. I was just pointing out all the reasons I have seen my prays unanswered.

You must be a very strong person. I wish your family the best.

cbloom8's avatar

The fact that I can tell people lies and they will eventually believe me, dedicate themselves to me, and obey me without any question. That is what inspires me.

Blondesjon's avatar

With religion and politics I find the same aspect intriguing. It simply amazes me how vehement folks will get when someone else’s flavor is not their own.

tramnineteen's avatar

@Blondesjon I think or a least hope it is because the resting place of your soul and the future of the country you live in are very important issues. Heaven and hell, war and peace, etc. are all kind of biggies.

Blondesjon's avatar

I have always found the biggest one to be Live and Let Live.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I am completely turned off by organized religion that is why I started my own religion based not on reward and punishment, but based on humor and compassion. The duality of organized religion is a false dichotomy, because not all things have a direct opposite even beyond Good and Evil. You can find many things with polar opposites, and that is what makes organized religion thrive.

Life is full of them, i.e. fat and thin, light and dark, hot and cold, wet and dry, soft and hard, young and old, etc., but as for Sunday afternoon at 4 PM, there is nothing that is the complete opposite of that. =)

Life is about choices, your results may vary.

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

The history and teachings and the fact some people are able to focus their own energies through religious belief systems.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

The feature of religion that surprises me is its dogged determination to continue its promotion of ignorance in this educated age. Religion thrived when most people were illiterate, but somehow it has developed to a point where it is such an important part of so many people’s psychi that they can’t bear the thought that religion may just be the invention of humans.

deni's avatar

how obsessed people get over it.

TheCreative's avatar

I find it interesting how many people actually like being threatened or stressed. We are told that we have free will, but when we make the wrong choices, we are sent to everlasting damnation. What kind of free will is that? That is what religion brings. Stress is toxic to the body. Don’t you think this superbeing up in the cosmos who we have named God wants us to be happy? A long time ago, it was also said to have black skin was bad. Religion isn’t healthy, be spiritual. Every one fortunate enough to be known as a master will tell you this. Believe me, this will all make sense after reading Neal Donald Walsh’s books. I love them.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@TheCreative Many people try to make a distinction between religion and spiritualism, but are either really worth the effort? I can see no advantage to either.

TheCreative's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh You will see the benefits of a simple 15 minute meditation. You will have much less stress and be happier. That is just one example.

With religion you are taught to live in fear your whole life.

Saturated_Brain's avatar

What inspires me about organised religion is the sense of community it can bring. A group of people who strive to become the best they can be together, helping and advising each other throughout the whole journey, all keeping in mind that there is someone up there who can help them through their darkest hours.

That’s what inspires me about organised religion..

You can find this in a sharing group, but perhaps you’ll need to go searching.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@TheCreative I agree meditation cana be a great thing, but I only accept it on the back of scientific research on the matter, and reject all its mystic connotations.

@Saturated_Brain The blind leading the blind?

Saturated_Brain's avatar

@FireMadeFlesh Perhaps.. If that’s how you choose to view it.

JLeslie's avatar

If you feel the need to actively participate in religion (which I don’t ) seek a church that fits you. If you are Catholic, find a priest/church who does not talk about hell every 5 minutes. I think if religion and God inspire you, give you peace, help you find meaning, etc, then that is good. As soon as it moves into hate, judgement and negativity, I think not good. You can get a sense of community, belonging, and tradition from church, which feels comforting to many people. I did not grow up attending any church/synogogue, and I never feel the NEED for organized religion or church, I guess because I never had it.

Saturated_Brain's avatar

By the way, I gave this a GQ exactly because we need more of these questions on religion. Not those questions which lambast or praise religion, but those which objectively question the whys and hows of a person’s personal experiences with religion.

mattbrowne's avatar

Religions offer time-tested guidelines for ethical living. You might find this article interesting:

Research has demonstrated the many mental and physical health benefits of regular meditative practices. Research also supports the health benefits of prayer (which can also be seen as a special form of meditation). Religious and spiritual traditions encourage prayer but they differ in style and technique. Prayer has been found to result in a many health benefits including improved psychological functioning, a sense of well-being and meaning, and better stress reduction and coping.

Spirituality and religion offer an opportunity to secure and develop meaning, purpose, calling, and vocation in life. All of the religious traditions provide some answers to questions about what someone should do with their life with particular strategies for finding more meaning and purpose.

Religious and spiritual traditions provide advice about the benefits of accepting ourselves and others. Much of psychotherapy focuses on helping people accept what they cannot change and change what they can to improve the quality of their lives. The well known “serenity prayer” well articulates what traditional and secular psychotherapy both try to accomplish stating: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.”

The religious and spiritual wisdom traditions provide time-tested guidelines for ethical living. Living more ethically, with or without religious involvement, is likely to have psychotherapeutic benefits. The ethical principles for psychologists include most of the same ethical guidelines offered by the religious and spiritual traditions. These include respect, responsibility, integrity, competence, and concern for others. Both professional ethics codes and religious and spiritual traditions encourages people to be concerned about the welfare of others, to be honest and maintain integrity, to be respectful to everyone and to life, and so forth.

Religion and spirituality often contributes to a sense of being part of something larger than ourselves. Religion offers a way to put life in perspective and speaks to issues that occurred long before us and long after our passing. Furthermore, feeling part of something bigger than ourselves can help us better cope with the many challenges in life.

Religion and spirituality, at its best, encourages people to be forgiving, grateful, loving, kind, and compassionate. For example, research has demonstrated positive benefits of forgiveness. Forgiveness is an antidote to anger, hostility, and bitterness. Research indicates that those who tend to be grateful sleep better, are more optimistic, more energetic, and maintain better interpersonal relationships. Finally, all of the major religious traditions encourage love, kindness, and compassion, which also has mental and physical health benefits. Treating others as you wish to be treated, often referred to as the “golden rule,” is found and emphasized in all of the major religious traditions. Research indicates that volunteer activities results in mental and physical health benefits and reduces mortality risks as much as 40%. Religion provides an organizational structure to support productive community engagement that usually emphasize helping those in greatest need such as the poor and marginalized. Additionally, volunteerism can provide the volunteer with an enhanced sense of meaning, purpose, and calling which can help keep their own troubles in better perspective.

Religious and spiritual models provide followers with exemplars to imitate. The popular question, “What would Jesus Do?” is an excellent example. Religious models such as Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammad, as well as more contemporary models such as Gandhi, Mother Teresa, the Dali Lama, Martin Luther King, and even family and friends can be a template for better living. Research has indicated that observational learning is a powerful way to learn new skills and behaviors. Having role models can be a useful way to help motivate and inspire others to “go and do likewise”.

The religious and spiritual traditions emphasize the belief that life is sacred and that the divine or something sacred lives within us all. This understanding that we are all important, sacred, a “child of God” has implications for how we think about ourselves and interact with everyone. The faith communities and traditions instruct that if we are all sacred, then everyone should be treated with great respect, kindness, love, and compassion.

Source: www.psychwww.com

Nially_Bob's avatar

Though I am not a “believer” religion intrigues me in many ways, most prominently its sociological effects.

Thujone's avatar

@Saturated_Brain : Thanks, that’s what I had in mind when I was writing it. I was hoping for a personal response- which I’ve gotten! Thank you so much for your amazing messages guys.

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