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Is there a difference between organized religions and Spirituality per se?

Asked by Zendo (1752points) August 3rd, 2009

I notice a lot of people have a problem with organized religions and the adherents thereto. I am wondering if these religions and their seeming manipulation of dogma to control their “flock(s)” are completely at odds with the spiritual reality from whence they came.

It seems to me the only job a priest and any organized religion has is to help their brethren realize that they don’t need the priest nor church to communicate with the almighty (if he really exists). And then they should back off and themselves try really communicating with god. (which they don’t seem to have been doing very well for, oh…1000 years now.

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marinelife's avatar

Organized religions often have rites that are reserved for a priesthood of some sort or other.

Organized religions offer community.

My problem with most organized religions practiced today is their patriarchal nature and the fact that most of them believe themselves to be the “one, true way.”

gggritso's avatar

First of all, not all organized religions are treated the same. Christianity has a history of spilling a lot of blood and having the most annoying fundamentalists. The Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) are the ones under scrutiny in most cases. I don’t think most people have anything against Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, etc.

Then a second line needs to be drawn between that and spirituality, which means different things to different people. I’m not spiritual, but to me spirituality is not following a specific religion but believing that there is some sort of common force that makes the world tick.

Harp's avatar

That’s a bit like asking “What’s the difference between ballet and dance?”. Spirituality is a mindset (which doesn’t always, by the way, have anything to do with a spirit world), whereas religion is a structured, formalistic way of expressing spirituality.

Anyone can dance anyway he wants, but if you want to be a ballet dancer, you’ll have to conform to a prescribed structure and form. Likewise, anyone can be spiritual in whatever way he pleases, but to subscribe to a religion is to submit to a certain expression of spirituality.

wundayatta's avatar

Organized religion is quite different, and the explanation is right there in those two words: organized. Organizations can do so much more than individuals can. Up until about 200 or so years ago, there was no difference between church and state. Religious authority was secular authority. The church was the town hall—the meeting place where all the business of the community was conducted.

As such, religions did everything that we, in the US, now think of as a secular activity. They ran schools. They brought the community together. They helped form cooperative efforts such as home-building and farming and whatnot. The industrial revolution sounded the death knell for a unified religious and secular authority. The separation had been in the works for a long time, but once people were moved into cities to work in factories, uprooted from their home communities and thrown together with all kinds of strangers who spoke and thought differently, there could be no unity that is required for religious experience.

Religion has so many rules, just like secular laws. It helped gain cooperation with these laws if religious/secular officials appealed to the highest authority as the source of these laws. That was the wellspring for the dogmatic aspect of religion. The spiritual side reinforced this, to some degree, but for most people, spirituality was an esoteric thing, that was the domain of mystics, for the most part.

These days, spirituality is still the domain of mystics, or, at least, the mystical side of human beings. It is a numinous connection with the all—a sense of unity with all people and things in the universe. More people have access to it, these days. And religion is no longer the law of the land. It is merely an adjunct law that has something to do with community, and something to do with moral justification for law, and something to do with psychology and something to do with understanding the mysteries of life (or death).

These things are important concerns of humans, but it is more difficult to see how they affect daily life, because secular law, in most cases, mimics religious law. In some Islamic nations, they are still the same thing.

In order to gain a mystical oneness with a higher authority, one needs to practice something diligently. This practice allows a person to go past their overt thoughts into a space where their non-thinking thoughts lie. These experiences are the spiritual experiences, and they happen in so many ways, and most of them aren’t involved with organized religion. Thus spirituality has gradually become separate from both the secular and religious domains. It has always been a personal experience, but now it is even more so. A personal, mystical experience that makes people feel special.

Sometimes spirituality is connected with organized activity. Dance and music and prayer and meditation are examples of activities that gain one access to spirituality. Church rituals are designed to throw people into these kinds of states—overwhelming music, beautiful architecture, prayerful postures, ecstatic dancing, snake handling and droning voices are all part of the effort to change consciousness of a congregation. People might think they are falling asleep, but that is not necessarily the case. Some are moving into that non-thinking state of awareness.

However, most religions want congregants to pay attention! This keeps people in their heads instead of allowing an altered consciousness. So religious organizations often let their legal concerns counteract their spiritual activities. Thus, people who seek a personal sense of spirituality must do it on their own, and it begins to seem like it has only to do with them, individually, and not via their organizational participation. So, organized religion has a problematic relationship with spirituality. So, too, does it seem like spiritual reality is different from organized religion.

lloydbird's avatar

dogma Dogma DOGMA
stricture Stricture STRICTURE
myth Myth MYTH
coercion Coercion COERCION

You know which one I’m talking about!!

Harp's avatar

It’s interesting to me that so many modern Christian evangelicals go out of their way to distance themselves from “religion”. I’m not sure exactly what constitutes “religion” in their parlance, though I’m guessing they mean anything with a clergy. Evangelical Christianity sure looks like religion to me.

rebbel's avatar

Since i’ve seen the episode ‘The Ungroundable’ from South Park, i can’t read the words per se without having a little laugh….

fireside's avatar

”...the Law of God is divided into two parts. One is the fundamental basis which comprises all spiritual things—that is to say, it refers to the spiritual virtues and divine qualities; this does not change nor alter: it is the Holy of Holies, which is the essence of the Law of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Christ, Muhammad, the Báb, and Bahá‘u’lláh, and which lasts and is established in all the prophetic cycles. It will never be abrogated, for it is spiritual and not material truth; it is faith, knowledge, certitude, justice, piety, righteousness, trustworthiness, love of God, benevolence, purity, detachment, humility, meekness, patience and constancy. It shows mercy to the poor, defends the oppressed, gives to the wretched and uplifts the fallen.”

“These divine qualities, these eternal commandments, will never be abolished; nay, they will last and remain established for ever and ever. These virtues of humanity will be renewed in each of the different cycles; for at the end of every cycle the spiritual Law of God—that is to say, the human virtues—disappears, and only the form subsists.”

“Thus among the Jews, at the end of the cycle of Moses, which coincides with the Christian manifestation, the Law of God disappeared, only a form without spirit remaining. The Holy of Holies departed from among them, but the outer court of Jerusalem—which is the expression used for the form of the religion—fell into the hands of the Gentiles. In the same way, the fundamental principles of the religion of Christ, which are the greatest virtues of humanity, have disappeared; and its form has remained in the hands of the clergy and the priests. Likewise, the foundation of the religion of Muhammad has disappeared, but its form remains in the hands of the official ‘ulama.”

“These foundations of the Religion of God, which are spiritual and which are the virtues of humanity, cannot be abrogated; they are irremovable and eternal, and are renewed in the cycle of every Prophet.”

“The second part of the Religion of God, which refers to the material world, and which comprises fasting, prayer, forms of worship, marriage and divorce, the abolition of slavery, legal processes, transactions, indemnities for murder, violence, theft and injuries—this part of the Law of God, which refers to material things, is modified and altered in each prophetic cycle in accordance with the necessities of the times.”
(Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 47)

laureth's avatar

Imagine that your grandma makes the best apple pie ever. The crust is crisp and golden, the apples are the perfect kiss of tart and sweet. There is just enough cinnamon, cheese if you want it, and she lets you take a slice as big as you want. Everything seems just fine when you’re eating that pie – life is like a warm Summer day, and it’s as though just smelling it baking can answer all of your life’s questions.

That’s spirituality. :)

Now imagine that MultiMegaCorp paid off your granny for that apple pie recipe. They use the cheapest ingredients available, illegal immigrant labor, and bland dough spat out by machines. It’s kind of soggy from sitting in the wrapper for so long, but people buy it anyway because it’s in the exact shade of plastic wrap that the Marketing department said would induce a psychiatric state of “readiness to buy.” It’s shipped a few thousand miles or across a globe and it’s not fresh, not tasty, no heavenly aroma of baking. Even though it says “Gramma Brand™” on the label in big red letters, no grandma ever touched it. It has become a soul-less commercial product, not made because someone likes pie, but made for corporate profits.

And that is organized religion. Perhaps some people like that kind of pie – but they’ve probably never tasted your Grandma’s version.

Zendo's avatar

Gee Laureth, you sure know me grannie well!!!

mattbrowne's avatar

There’s two types of religious organizations:

- Rulers trying to apply social control
– Counselors offering social guidance

People can be religious or spiritual without any affiliation to religious organizations. There’s always the option of self study.

chanteezer's avatar

Yes! This is a pretty personal question for me. I grew up in a city where 99% of people are the same religion, and I can’t even begin to count the times that I have gotten into arguments with people who said that since I didn’t attend church, it wasn’t possible for me to be spiritual, or to have a relationship with God, which I certainly do.

Organized religion is just for people who all believe the same thing to all worship together. It’s just not for some people, I choose to worship on my own. Lot’s of people do.

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