"If we are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams, are we also the fabricators of our own reality and existance?"?
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November 20th, 2009
Quantum theory states (so far as I am aware!) that physicality arises from observation. If this is the case, and sentiance is the bi-product of the complex interaction between electrons then who observed the first observation?
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If a tree fall in the woods and you are not there to hear it. Does it still make sound?
The answer is who cares.
Its significance is only significant if you make it significant.
Significance and the physicality arising from observation is one and the same. That significant significance is what makes reality real or of any importance.
I was thinking chicken an the egg, or chicken an chicken. lol
Look Slugworth, if you expect me to answer your questions I’m going to have to see some green first.
What’s the quote from? (existence- and -sentience)
@gailcalled- Gene Wilder says it in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
To my understanding, quantum mechanics states that an entity exists in all possible states until an observation forces it to adopt one possible state. Therefore the origin of observations must have been the result of interactions across all possible states.
@FireMadeFlesh
Do you mean solid liquid gas plasma bose einstein condensate (did I spell that right?)
If thats the case, does that mean the origional observer was also in all states?
If in all posible states the observer must have also been solid, but this requires observation (is that right?) how can this be?
You’l have to forgive me, I don’t fully understand all the terms physics uses, I only try to figure these things out in my head (where ever that is). In English highschool we have what are called O’levels graded from A to G, I got a C, so in the words of Bill Hick’s “Not a physics major!”
My position at the moment is this:
I don’t beleive the big bang theory yet, as the red shift evidence to my knowledge is inconclusive.
I am of the opinion that the universe has always been here thus an origional observation would not be required.
I was a little ambiguous there sorry.
Think of a wave coming into shore. Suppose there is a grid of poles of an equal height in the ocean, through which the wave passes. Because the wave is a constant height, we see every pole get wet. If we ask which part of the wave was the tallest though, we will see a single line of poles leading into the shore where the highest point of the wave passed.
If we are only interested in the progress of the wave, i.e. which poles are wet at which stage, then we see a wave front. If we decide to measure the highest point, we see a line. It is the same with the wave-particle duality. An entity, for this case let us choose an electron, exists in all possible states, being wave and particle, until we perform a measurement to force it into one of those states. We do not know where the greatest probability of the probability wave lies until we measure it, so when we do our results indicate a single point, which appears as a particle.
This is my understanding at least. Physics was my best subject at school, but we never went particularly far into QM. I can’t do the calculations (yet), so you’d have to read published articles if you want a more accurate answer.
To a very real extent, we “specifiy” our own reality out of the available aspects of the entirety of the universe. We know that there is a “there” there because some aspects of reality are shared by almost everyone. I am reminded of the four blind men trying to determine what an elephant is like. Each of them determined one aspect of what “elephant” is, thus “specifying” the reality of “elephant” for each blind man. Yet there really IS an entire elephant there.
All observations of so-called “external” reality are really observations of our own sensory experiences. There are experiences for each of the so-called “external” senses. For example, there are visual experiences, auditory experiences, tactile experiences, olfactory experiences, and gustatory experiences. These experiences are all assumed to result from “external” stimuli. (Here, “external” means external to the senses, not necessarily external to the body. For example, if I experience pain in response to being stuck with a hypodermic needle or having been stricken by the flu, we normally assume that the pain is objective.) The mind constructs objective sources for all of these experiences, such as visible objects, audible objects, touchable objects, odiferous objects, and tastable objects.
Objective reality is really an agreed-upon subjectivity.
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