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Blocked, Denied, Entity and Debarred Persons Lists re Travelling - Do You Feel Safer?

Asked by artemisdivine (1092points) February 16th, 2008

Do you think this list works in stopping the bad guys? No one knows if they are on it until they show up and try to travel. Blocked, Denied, Entity and Debarred Persons Lists Below is a list of links to the Office of Foreign Assets Control’s Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons list, the Bureau of Industry and Security’s Denied Parties List, the Entry List and the Office of Defense Trade Controls’ Debarred Persons Lists. http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/persons_list/

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Jryvoan's avatar

It might help but what’s to say they dont just use a fake identity?

ironhiway's avatar

All these list’s you’ve linked to are for controlling exports. They are not used for travel of individuals.

eriktheplaid's avatar

It’s worse than that. As Bruce Schneier pointed out (sorry, I’m having trouble finding the original post, but he has plenty to say about the No-Fly List specifically, and the “Security Theater” (his term) of airport security generally, on his blog), even if the list were accurate and not full of very common names, it would provide potential terrorists an easy way to find out if they’re under surveillance: try to buy a cheap plane ticket. If the transaction isn’t stopped, you’re in the clear.

In fact, the director of Homeland Security investigations for the General Accounting Office (of Congress) has stated “The government doesn’t want that information outside the government.” Most real suspects are kept off the list, so that if the list were to “fall into the wrong hands” they wouldn’t be tipped off.

Which makes me ask, “What’s the purpose of this list again?” The answer I keep coming back to is “security theater.” Mostly because I don’t want to believe the TSA is really trying to win a war on 5-year-olds (and American Revolutionary Patriots) in addition to the War on Liquids.

What? No, I don’t have tinfoil on my head, why do people keep asking?

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