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How can one become more tangible?

Asked by Sonnerr (588points) December 4th, 2009

I need advice about a dream. And that dream being myself. The girl that I’m in love with tells me that I give her nothing that she wants and needs, but she continues to pursue me. Or at least, that is what she induces within my heart. She says that I’m a dream to her and that is what I’ll always be…

Would there be any way, or perhaps a tip on how to be more tangible?

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Haroot's avatar

I’m a tad confused here. So she’s into you although you don’t provide her with anything to satisfy her needs and/or wants, and you want to provide for her more?

erichw1504's avatar

Misleading title

Sonnerr's avatar

@Haroot I’m confused as well, she came over this morning and that is what she told me. The thing I don’t understand is the kiss on the cheek before she leaves… It throws me off, and I’m really confused.

Phobia's avatar

At first I was gonna say “Sounds to me she is pretty much saying that she’s leaving/going to leave you….”, but after re-reading it…now I’m confused…

ModernEpicurian's avatar

How long have you and this girl had a thing going on?

To me it sounds as though you should spend more time with her, socially. Get her to know you, and let her see that you can give her those things and lots more besides.

Haroot's avatar

@Sonnerr Actually what I meant was that I was kind of confused by your wording.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think your saying is that she loves you for no real reason. Which in itself isn’t that good for you since that kind of love dies eventually. Uh, I think what you really need to do is ask her what the Hell she is talking about.

As for providing for her, well there’s only one thing to get what you want and that’s to get it. Figure out her needs/wants, and provide. It’s rather simple.

I apologize if that’s not very helpful but I’m just making assumptions on your scenario at the moment.

Sonnerr's avatar

@ModernEpicurian We’ve been seeing each other for almost three years. We’ve had our share of fights and what not… But I/we try to resolve the matters as civil as possible. Its utterly confusing.

@Haroot It does seem ephemeral

ModernEpicurian's avatar

@Sonnerr I have to say, I’m going through a similar situation. And it scares the hell out of me.

wundayatta's avatar

What is it that she is inducing in your heart? The feeling that she wants you? Your story is confusing. Are you a dream to yourself, or a dream to her? Are you and she even different people? Is this about dream interpretation or reality interpretation.

If it’s reality, then you really need to talk to her about what she means. She sounds like someone who is kind of out there. Maybe she’s arty, or maybe she’s got a brain that doesn’t work like most people’s.

Typically when one is floating away from an attachment to reality, you recover by getting more physical. Not with her, but with the world. Do yoga or ride a bike or whatever. You can also get more social. Meet with many people. Join groups. These things help you get grounded.

Do you live an isolated life? Do you hide from people? Or not like them? Or not feel comfortable around them? Are you the one dreaming, or is she?

This feels more like Kafka, or a weird acid trip than anything else.

Yeah. So I say get clean of any drugs that may be in your body, eat healthily (preferably vegetarian), become more connected with the community, and meditate and do yoga. That should make you become more tangible.

marinelife's avatar

To become more tangible, gain weight.

Sonnerr's avatar

@daloon You hit it right on the nose with everything that I am. And it isn’t that I think I’m a dream, she literally told me that I am I dream to her. As in I am some kind of facade, and that she doesn’t know what she wants from me all in all, and that she doesn’t know why she comes around herself. (I should be talking about this on wereallyloveyou.com/forum)

I do connect with people well, I have ditched the group of “friends” that I used to hang out with becuase they serve no purpose in my spiritual self. They get drunk and play magic: the gathering all day (literally everyday) and I do yoga. I even have an app on my iTouch with over 100 positions. I believe in meditation. I am actually a vegetarian and I have been for 4 years.

I’m not on drugs, just totally confused. I try to ask her, but she is, like you said arty, and doesn’t agree with questions that she can’t answer. The best I get is “I don’t know”.

wundayatta's avatar

@Sonnerr Ah. It’s not you. It’s her. She’s the one who is lost. It often happens with creative people. There are times when you don’t know what anything is or what it means, and you just want to run away from it all. She is in the middle of one of those, and doesn’t know what is real anymore. It’s sort of existential, sort of dramatic, sort of depression and probably a few other things. It makes you feel like things mean more when you wander around looking at the world through diaphanous curtains. That she has lost touch with your reality makes her feel like the world is more dangerous, and it might well stimulate her creative energy.

Of course, it’s annoying as shit to those around the artist. However, if the artist is interesting enough, other will buy into their fantasy. I suspect you have done this. It’s not a bad thing. Artists need muses.

The trick for you is to play along with her, while not letting her throw you off so much that you can no longer cope. It is kind of a power play, but it’s not malicious. Many artsy people have low self-esteem, so any time they can feel like they rock someone else’s world, they go apeshit.

However, I am concerned about you, too. You are beginning to question your own reality under this onslaught. Not good. The fact that you are already doing yoga and meditating and eating healthily, but you are still being thrown by this is also not good. You’re going to have to watch out. You may have to cut away from her if you want to maintain your own identity. Don’t get caught up wanting her so much that you let her decide who you are. She won’t mean to hurt you, but she will do it if you aren’t strong enough.

Maybe just understanding what is going on will help you. You just have to keep your feet on the ground, and that means, in this case, focusing on what you want in the world. If you let her define your wants, you will become her creature, and you may never figure out who you are. So yes, go on that self-esteem website. Work on your own self-esteem. It’s pretty rough not to care much about yourself and not to believe in yourself. I’ve just come through a significant patch of that, myself. I don’t want to go back, although I’m afraid I will.

I suspect that what you see in her is a spark to life. It’s like she lights up those around her to some degree. Maybe you even feel privileged to be her guy, because it really makes your life seem important.

As long as a relationship is unequal like that, the more powerful person will blow hot and cold, again, not maliciously, just because that’s the dynamic. Artsy people also need drama. On and off patterns make that happen.

Focus on yourself, and building yourself. And although I know you really really want to, you can’t afford to orbit her so much.

Ok. This all came rushing out as if I’m channeling something. It’s just a story I tell myself to make sense of what is admittedly very little information. But that’s what I do. So don’t act like it means something if my fantasy went far off base. Also, please don’t get angry with me because I make all these unwarranted assumptions. It’s ok if I’m wrong. It’s cool if I’ve got things right.

janbb's avatar

Have you looked in the frizzer?

Sonnerr's avatar

@daloon Thanks a lot. You’ve opened my eyes a little wider and opened the door of understanding a little more. that was a big help and I needed to hear something of that kind. It really means a lot.

(oh, btw, I’m one of the head coordinators to that website.. weird how I find solace here and not there.. [we need more members like you @daloon)]

DarlingRhadamanthus's avatar

How to become more tangible? Less ephemeral? Less dream-like?

Eat more yang foods. Lift weights to get more grounded.

She must find you incredibly attractive…so there is something in you that does indeed suit her needs. It may just be that she seeks the ethereal in herself.

Sonnerr's avatar

are there any ‘yang’ foods that you could recommend @DarlingRhadamanthus ?

DarlingRhadamanthus's avatar

Yang foods are: All meats, hard cheese, coffee, brown sugar, chocolate, chilis, eggs, garlic, green peppers, kidney beans, lamb, leeks, onions, peanut butter, roasted peanuts, potato, rabbit, walnut, turkey,whisky, wine.

You can also (since you are vegetarian) eat more root veggies (they are in season). These are more yang (than yin) because they are compacted…like carrots and parsnips.

Some foods that contain a harmonious balance of yin and yang are: wholegrain cereals, fresh fruit, nuts and seeds, leafy vegetables and pulses (beans except kidney, peas and lentils). Aduki beans are good. The health and harmony of both body and mind are said to depend on a balance between the two forces,

My guess is that you are too yin….too ungrounded. I would check with a macrobiotic counselor to go over your daily diet and make recommendations tailored specifically for you. You can just run a google search for “macrobiotic counselor or counselling” and I’m sure they could help you….as I doubt that a diet of chocolate and whisky would be the best for your situation. :)

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