What conspiracy theories do you think are legit?

No way to know for sure – that’s why they’re conspiracy theories

The plane hitting the Pentagon on 9–11…Uh, there was no sign of plane wreckage whatsoever. Yes something hit it, but come on government, tell us the truth!

People like to talk. I would bet 99% of them are bullshit. Anymore than a few people involved and someone will talk. booze

“What conspiracy theories do you think are legit?”

Only the ones I believe in.

I do rather like the Elvis conspiracy as proposed in Charmaine Harris’ Southern Vampire Mysteries. Elvis wasn’t quite dead when he made it to the morgue, so a fan, who also happened to be both a morgue attendant and a vampire, turned him into a vampire so he could live on. Unfortunately the change didn’t go smoothly so now he looks like Elvis, but thinks his name is Bubba, and he is none too bright. :-)

Something happened in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 and it was more than a weather balloon. Not saying it was aliens, but there was something more to it and I know the military likes to cover things up like mad.

That’s just one I have a strong feeling about. The other ones I feel are pretty much, as @johnpowell said, bullshit. Doesn’t mean I don’t find them interesting and I won’t read about them, I love reading about them and watching documentaries and such on them. But I rarely find myself convinced by any of them, especially 9/11 and the airplane mind-control gas one.

When I was younger, I wanted to think that Jim Morrison just somehow disappeared and moved anonymously to the French countryside to live the life of a modest poet.

@forestGeek, what the hell are you talking about?

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

Photos of the wreckage.

What makes it a conspiracy is that you’re probably going to say that website is “in on it.”

JFK and the grassy knoll

@Qingu That website you linked looks like an Art Bell-style pseudo-journalistic blog thing rather than a reputable news source. Just sayin’.

@Qingu – Here’s another angle… http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

@FutureMemory http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg

Well, there’s also this photo where you can clearly see the Pentagon in the background.

Just throwin’ it out there…

@FutureMemory, okay.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

BBC, a reputable news site, reports video of the plane crashing.

Of course the BBC, like the mainstream media, is in on it as well. Just sayin’.

@forestGeek, I cannot watch your video now. Does it explain why the photos (and the video) I cited are fictional/imaginary/part of the sheeple-controlling conspiracy? maybe it would help if you wrote out support for your claims instead of linking to dubious videos.

@DominicX I’m not saying I suspect a conspiracy, just that that site looks like a joke.

The fact that conspiracy theories are a conspiracy created by conspiracy theorists.

@Qingu – Watch the video when you can. Just as you linked to a site with photos, I linked to a site with a video, which includes words, photos and video to support the theory. It’s likely we will not agree nor convince one another, but since they are both theories put together by folks with their own objectives, it doesn’t matter anyway.

I’m already familiar with the 9/11 truth theories (there are multiple and they are not remotely consistent with each other or often with themselves). i didn’t ask you for a video. You did, however, ask for “sign of plane wreckage,” and I was happy to oblige. Now I’m interested in how the hell you explain all those photos you alleged don’t exist. Or the video.

And spare me the “neither of us will ever change our mind” bullshit. I’ve argued with people who believe the sun revolves around the earth who said the same thing. That doesn’t mean our positions deserve equal weight or respect.

1) I think it’s at least “possible” that Bush and Co. could have done more to prevent 9/11 from happening but realized that this could be their in to invading Iraq and perhaps looked the other way. I base that on the August 6 memo “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside US”, and the amount of time it took between when the planes were hijacked and when orders were actually given to shoot down the planes (pretty much after all the damage was done).

2) Whether or not #1 is true, I believe there is smoking gun evidence to suggest that Bush and his cabinet had a game plan to attack Iraq before Bush even took office. This is supported by the fact that it pretty much says in the charter to the PNAC (an organization formed in the mid 90s by what became Bush’s first cabinet) that our military should be used to create permanent US superiority and that this should be done by waging multiple simultaneous pre-emptive theater wars in the middle east, starting with Iraq. Also, the fact that in a cabinet meeting a year before the invasion, when Condoleeza Rice mentioned Saddam Hussein, Bush cut her off with, “Fuck Saddam, we’re taking him out.” That and of course the fact that Saddam did try to have Bush’s father assassinated, I think is pretty clear evidence supporting his conspiracy theory.

3) That Bush stole the 2000 election may seem like a conspiracy theory, but the smoking gun evidence was revealed by investigative journalist Greg Palast, and the story made front page news everywhere in the world EXCEPT for the US where journalists collectively silenced the story out of fear of reprisals. Bush, his brother, Katherine Harris, a company called Choice Point Technologies and many others conspired to nullify the legal voter registrations of a net 154,000 Democrats in Florida, the state which gave Bush the election by just over 200 votes.

4) The only other conspiracy theory I believe is plausible, but for which I have no smoking gun proof, but a TON of circumstantial evidence, is that Tom Cruise, his wife and ex wives, his handlers, attorneys and people he’s silenced with money or threats of lawsuits have conspired to keep his homosexuality under wraps, mostly because it would get him kicked out of the church of Scientology. I could go into the evidence, but that would take more time than I have right now.

We need conspiracy.

It is the yin of our yang.

2012 is entireley possible IF the planets do align. NASA apperantly proved they wont but watch this anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veXRCX-8PEg

well, i am quite a skeptic when it comes to these kind of things. however…

9/11 , no i am not saying bush did it. but i do think quite a lot of opportunistic things would have happened that we don’t know about at all.

the aurora project. the aircraft that no one has seen yet claim crazy things about it. that must have some truth to it, i would be really disappointed is the USA did not have a few aces up the sleeve with all the cash that has gone in to it. i’m quite sure the army does indeed have toys we dont know about, and an aircraft could well be one of them.

but thats it really, and its not that i believe any of them. but i do think its plausible at least.

@iRemy_y… no man. There was a mistranslation from the ancient Maya calendar. It turns out 2012 isn’t the magical end of the world year after all, it’s 2013.

But it’s okay because NASA proved (and covered up) that the planets are going to align with a bunch of black holes in the Andromeda Galaxy in 2013 and there’s going to be a giant solar flare explosion that will destroy the earth, so your childish assumptions that ancient Mesoamerican calendars portend the future in a way that defies science and also contradicts what the Maya themselves believed can continue to be self-validated.

I still can’t figure who uses the last of the toilet paper in our house. There are only two of us and neither one ever puts on the last roll

Well, you have truly opened a can of worms…...but a very interesting one I may say.
I believe there is truly a lot of conspirancy theories out there such as:
Marilyn Monroe – was she silenced as she was sleeping with a Kennedy and knew too much that she was told in the bedroom and she threatened to blow the whistle???

JFK – was it the Mafia of the day which was actually behind it all.

The links between Marilyn Monroe the Kennedys and the Mafia – yes I have read a lot of literature and watched an awful lot of footage re same.

At times it does all tie in but you have to be like myself, and find that information for it to make sense.

Lady Diana – Murdered?? Possibly, regardless of what the ‘official enquiry’ reveled on this we all need to remember that the Queen is not in power or still Her Majestyfor nothing. And a person such a Diana did nothing but bring the Royal Family into disrepute by divorcing and then to rub it all in their faces starts to date a none church of england, ethnic male…which is frowned upon. She also made out she was a victim in all this but I am sure there was more to her behaviour and that she was a very emotionally demanding woman. Although I did feel for her and what she went into as she was very young I I truly belive she really wasn’t made aware of what her role would actually be. So thank goodness for her that she was the Queen of Hearts and forever will always be.

Jack The Ripper – Well there is a number of very interesting theories on this one, but the one I found the most believeable was from the Auhor Patricia Cornwell – have a read it makes the most sense out of anything else I’ve read on this.

As for Iaq and 9/11 – I believe that all Govts of the world have enough intelligence information for us to have avoided it, but they just swept it under the carpet and didn’t either want to beleive it or used it to do what they have to date done and that was to utilise these issues for an excuse for our invasion. The other side to it all is that the Givt like anywhere else have limited resources and do not want to admit this to us mere civilians out there and they use it for their own political agendas.

Hope this has given you something else to think about. x

@Qingu – Those photos you initially sent are not convincing to me, sorry. Also for me personally, the initial images I saw on the multiple different news media after the attacks, made me question whether or not a Boeing 757 (or something that size) could have hit. I do believe something hit it, but the government report is just not completely convincing to me, therefore I chose to not blindly believe, and felt I was not being told the truth. For these reasons, I’ve sought out other explanations and theories for what happened. I’m still seeking the truth that I may never find.

You on the other hand have clearly seen enough convincing evidence for you to be a believer, and this doesn’t make you right or wrong, nor does it make me right or wrong. We just have different takes on what’s presented to us.

You said “That doesn’t mean our positions deserve equal weight or respect.”, well I’m not out to gain your respect, nor convince you of anything. I’ve personally done research, read articles, seen the photos, etc., and to answer the question posted here it’s a theory I think is legit, at least until I am convinced otherwise. I’m not interested in your respect, nor arguing with you about it.

Oh, and you said “What makes it a conspiracy is that you’re probably going to say that website is “in on it.”. Nope, wasn’t going to say that, but you sure thought you had me pegged before I had a chance to respond…

PM me if you want to talk more about it…

@forestGeek, “Those photos you initially sent are not convincing to me, sorry.”

Why are they not convincing to you?

What could be convincing to you?

Just so you know, the planetary alignment which people expect on 12/21/12 has happened hundreds of times since the beginning of the Mayan calendar. The hysteria has more to do with the numbers one two two one one two, which are an artificial construct of man in the first place…our 1/1/0001 date is basically an arbitrary date set after the fact.

no way of knowing if its true or not. if there was shiiiiii… FORGET IT!

@Sueanne_Tremendous Yeah! That happens in my house. And I could’ve sworn there was a beer left in the fridge, too.

It’s always scary when someone opens the 9/11 conspiracy debate! I’m basically on @forestGeek‘s side though… I don’t think the US Government necessarily was “in on it,” but all the data I have seen is inconsistent with a plane hitting the pentagon, and with planes being the cause of the collapse of the twin towers. It really doesn’t add up. I don’t know enough about the pentagon to argue about that one, but about the towers… Planes have hit buildings before, but the buildings did not collapse. It doesn’t make sense that they would collapse from that kind of damage. The towers, if you look at the footage, IMPLODED. They looked like buildings that are brought down on purpose, by demolition teams, using explosives placed inside and below the buildings. There is really no other way for such huge buildings to come down in the way that those buildings did, especially considering the materials they were made of. This is why I think there was more to it than a few hijacked planes crashing into them. If this makes me a conspiracy theorist, so be it. I like to call myself a sceptic, or a scientist who needs more data, since I don’t automatically assume the REAL people behind it were the CIA or whatever. :)

Area 51 and that a plane really did go down in the allegheny river

Over a million photos of the moon have been released by NASA. Applying enhancements and filters to many of these photos reveal massive structures and anomalies. Many original published photos released by NASA show deliberate tampering. Long had astronomers asked NASA when Hubble would be used to photograph the moon. NASA replied that the moon was too bright to get accurate photography of the moon, but then later in 1999 the first Hubble image of the moon was released. If there’s nothing to hide, then why the lies and why alter the images.

@Qingu – From seeing news footage and images of other plane crashes, I felt there would/should be more wreckage, remnants and debris around the Pentagon, and more wreckage to the building itself. Also, with the position of the hole in building, the object hit low to the ground, but made no skid marks in the lawn, and there were no large pieces of the plane or debris to be seen on the lawn. According to the angle the object is said to have approached, I also believed the wingspan should have points of entry as well, but there are none. There were wing points of entry on the trade center buildings hit by planes this large, but not on the pentagon, and therefore to me it appears that only the front half penetrated the building. If that were were case, I wondered where the rest of the plane was as it should have been sitting around somewhere chillin outside. I was certain from the beginning that something hit it, just not something as big as a 757 as the government reported. Maybe a smaller plane, or maybe a missile? Maybe both? Either way, I’m am unsure what it was, but I felt we were being deceived.

These are my own personal observations based on the images that I saw on the news and in various other media, and not based on facts at all. I’m no expert, and do not claim to be in any way. Because of this, I browsed to find answers, and below are just a few sites that closely sum up my findings, there’s no way I can go back and remember all the sources and sites, and am not interested in doing so…

Missile Damage to Pentagon – Unseen Pentagon Fraud Footage? – The 9–11 – http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_90.htm
Missing wings – http://physics911.net/missingwings
The video – http://clintjcl.wordpress.com/2006/08/12/911-what-the-pentagon-released-video-should-have-looked-like/

Bear in mind, just as I do, that any of these sources, whether pro or con, could possibly have their own agendas, and cannot be taken as pure fact. That being said, in my opinion much of both of these links, as well and the original video I posted, contain much more convincing points and arguments than that of the government’s findings and statements, or the images you posted.

As for why the images you posted are not convincing to me, well because there are not enough scaled photos, linking these miscellaneous parts and debris to their said locations to the impact.The most convincing image is the one that @DominicX posted, but even that one doesn’t appear to me to show large pieces of debris I would associate with a 757, but more of possibly a much smaller plane.

To convince me, I would like to see better and more scaled photos, linking these miscellaneous parts and debris to their said locations to the impact, not rough images or really sketchy distant video footage. How do I know that image of the landing gear rim, is even from wreckage in front of the Pentagon? To see an image of that rim, in relation to the building with a reference to it’s scale would be priceless. That’s the kind of thing that could make me reconsider. To have such a tragic event happen, but not have a great deal of photographic documentation, seems a bit strange for this day and age of digital cameras, video surveillance cameras and satellite imagery. I would think that the government would have a rash of surveillance cameras posted everywhere around the Pentagon and the vicinity in case something such as this happens…and if they do, why are we not seeing the imagery from them instead of one crappy distant video?

Believe me, I welcome more proof that supports what the government claim, but as of today, including given those images you’ve posted which I had already seen, and the past findings in my research on it, I am simply not convinced.

That’s the last on this for me. If you feel the need to discuss it more, PM me please.

Sorry @kikibirdjones if this is way off topic!

@YoKoolAid
They probably did enhance images of the moon at the time. It was a huge accomplishment for the country and the international image was extremely vital for propaganda. We were the envy of the world and were poised for even more acclaim and they wouldn’t risk a poor cover for their campaign.

JFK was killed by the CIA.
Andy Kaufman faked his own death, and is probably working as a relaxation therapist.
FDR probably knew about the impending attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor.
Nixon himself erased the 18 minutes of tape of his conversation with Haldeman.
Reagan knew he was trading arms for hostages, and illegally giving money to the Contras.
George W. Bush has an IQ of 78.

Beyond that, I don’t buy 2012, 9/11 conspiracies, birthers, or people who think Obama is a muslim.

@forestGeek
Expert testimony of civil engineers testifies to the event and yet we are asked to take the word of people glancing at smoke filled images and making suppositions from that. I’m sorry but the Pentagon was designed with incredible integrity and it makes sense that there would be less impact than on the WTC. In addition the angle of entry indicates that the nose penetrated and that is what made the hole and the plane was rebuffed by the incredible integrity of the building. Perhaps the majority of the plane exploding outside of the building basically disintegrating.
As for top secrecy and immediate obfuscation: this is the job of intelligence in such a highly charged event. I’m sorry but these conspiracy guys are better off at staring at tea leaves as much as staring at smoke filled images and drawing conclusions. And I watched all three videos. The only thing somewhat compelling was the expert testimony on the second tape and the crater. But this could have been media hype to gain ratings for all we know..

Any one where members of the Tin Hat Set conspire to promote conspiracy theories…

I wholly believe that the federal government was involved, at the highest levels, in the distribution of cocaine to black neighborhoods in the early eighties.

Ah, nothing like a good conspiracy, or conspiracy theory, to make us think, question and seek out truth.

I’ve always wondered if the first astronauts to walk on the moon, tasted it to see if it really was made of cheese? :)

“The Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field…indicating the frightening possibilty that the moon might be hollow.” -MIT researcher Sean C. Solomon

Hollow? I don’t think so, but I am not an MIT researcher. I gotta check it out.

I am very impressed with you all!

@forestGeek, let’s do a thought experiment.

I think you are a spy sent here from another planet.

Prove to me that you’re not.

By the way, my burden of proof is “scaled photos” of your entire naked body, along with mailing me a physical copy of your birth certificate, supplying me with phone numbers to your mother and father and any other immediate family, and a complete log of your internet activity for the past 10 years.

I just have this personal feeling that you’re an alien sent here from another planet. Surely a real human would be able to supply all this proof for me.

@Qingu – That’s actually going to be a difficult one for me to prove. See, when I was a teenager I asked my parents about my birth certificate, and they told me a rather odd story, which I still find hard to believe. Apparently when I was really young, I used to eat paper, and believe it or not I ate my birth certificate of all things.

Upon delving into this alleged paper eating habit of mine, they also told me that I used to eat books, and that every year I would eat whole toy section out of the Sears Wishbook…that’s why we never got any toys for the holidays, as we never knew toys actually existed. I was also told that I ate the whole book of Genesis out of our Bible, and this why we never learned a thing about creationism. Thankfully as an adult as I discovered these things that I thought never existed, and have since started to question absolutely everything I had ever known or been told. What other books had I eaten? It’s very likely this is the reason some conspiracies and conspiracy theories are interesting to me.

So to answer you question, currently I cannot prove that I’m not an alien spy. For all I know, I am. However, I’m working on getting a copy of my birth certificate, so maybe someday the truth will be known? I’ll keep you posted.

@forestGeek, if you feel you are unable to prove that you are a human being and not an alien spy, that should tell you that your conception of what qualifies as “proof” is ridiculous. Your answer implies that you don’t believe it’s possible, in practice, to really prove anything.

And your answer is also troubling for the following reason: what if, instead of being silly and calling you an alien spy, I called you a terrorist? Or a child molester? What if I demanded to see “proof” that you have never raped and murdered someone?

What if, when presented with alibis, records, etc., that attempt to show your innocence, I said that I don’t “personally feel” they prove anything, that they could be part of your cover-up for your crimes, and that we’re each entitled to our beliefs but I’m going to continue to believe you’re a child molester?

This is why—in both the justice system and in rational discourse—the “burden of proof” rests on the person making the accusation or the extraordinary claim.

^Good Point^

Agreed there’s a good point there, and that’s “that we’re each entitled to our beliefs.” This what theories are all about, right? Some based on fact, some based on crazy ideas. If someone believes something about another, either good or bad, despite that info was provided to the contrary, then that’s that, it’s considered a theory, people discuss, the world moves on….

Atlantis was an alien outpost and humans were the result of interbreeding experiments.

The following is a list of conspiracy theories I believe merit serious consideration:

Wow! I just googled list of conspiracy theories and came up with this. Boy, Howdy! Some of us evidently have way too much time on our hands.

I don’t this JFK was assassinated by one disgruntled citizen. I think it was a hit and Oswald was the idiot who took the job.

The NEW WORLD ORDER conspiracy theory claims that a small group of international elites controls and manipulates governments, industry and media organizations worldwide. The primary tool they use to dominate nations is the system of central banking.

This is hardly theory. It’s a fact that the Federal Reserve is beholden to commericial banking concerns.
Oh ya and HA HA HA! We bailed them out!! Oh God it’s so funny!!! LOL. The middle class is drowning and our government spends billions upon billions to asure that private concerns keep getting 20 million bonuses and rape the public with exorbitant interest rates. Oh man it’s killing me!! What a crazy conspiracy theory! No need for lube just stick it to us.

Wall Street: “You can’t afford aspirin for your baby?” “Who gives a flying fuck.” “We can’t lose our Palm Springs Country Clubs and our Southhampton estates which we got from deceiving you ignorant fucking ungrateful peons. “Don’t you realize that if we fail everyone fails?” “Oh you’re two steps from the poverty line?” “Hmmm maybe you need to have a stronger work ethic..” If you work three minimum wage jobs you would be better off….“Meanwhile we need 500 billion and make it NOW”

If the towers of Wall Street were toppled one on top of the other and fall like dominoes there would be no change to where the money remains. Maybe it’s just a wild coincidence that Kennedy and his brother were murdered in succession at the hands of politically motivated fringe elements. The same boys who created the Peace Corps and were champions of the middle class. Maybe it’s just a wild coincidence that a government used a fringe politically motivated terrorist act to enter into the most volatile and oil rich area of the world in order to stop a bunch of guys in a cave somewhere. Who knows..

I still believe that there are banking interests within the Federal government that pull all the strings. And no clearer was this shown then the last “too big to fail/must bail out snow job” that was pulled on the American public that DEMANDED we clean up their messy ledgers.
Furthermore, how else can one describe what Obama is doing in the position of president? He is blatantly acting in complete indifference to the populace who elected him and their desires. He has no interest in disengaging from any foreign conflict and is indeed escalating them. Surely there is a lunatic fringe bunch of conspiracy theory nuts, but there is a sleight of hand diversion that the government would want you to imagine is “conspiracy” to distract you from Oz behind the curtain. Question everything. That’s my opinion.