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Is found money taxable?

Asked by dalepetrie (18024points) December 14th, 2009

Before anyone congratulates me, I didn’t find any money (I keep hoping some drug smuggler will drop a duffle bag full of Benjamins from an airplane right onto my deck, but so far, no luck). I’m just curious, if you did find a significant chunk of money, like say more than you could just deposit into your bank and not have the manager report you to the IRS, let’s say you actually even turned the money into the police and no one claimed it and it was yours fair and square, would you legally have to report it as income?

If so, is there a lower limit on this or technically should we all be reporting it every time we find a five floating around in a parking lot somewhere? And if so, is it regular income or is it taxed at a different rate? For example, many years ago I heard that people who try to salvage shipwrecks if they make a big find have to fork over something like 70% of it in taxes.

And let’s say as a supplemental question, if we do establish that you would be legally obligated to pay taxes on the money (which I suspect is the answer), and you found a bunch of money, like say a million dollars, would you start paying for a lot of things in cash, make smaller deposits in multiple bank accounts under a certain threshold and basically try to conceal that you found it from the IRS, or would you just report it and fork over half of it to the Federal and State government?

Note, this question presumes you’re in the US, but of course if you live elsewhere and know of your country’s laws, feel free to share.

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missingbite's avatar

I believe anything under $1500.00 you can pass on. I could be wrong.

chesspiece's avatar

I thought all income is taxable regardless where it comes from.

UScitizen's avatar

The only part I wish to address is, don’t hand it over to the police. Many times now in the US, when this has occurred, the police, with no grounds or basis, have reached the conclusion that the money is illegal gains, probably from drugs, and you can’t get it back. IT BELONGS TO THE POLICE. In other words, the police will steal the money from you, the finder.

Gossamer's avatar

they would need to prove the existance of this money for me to pay taxes on it…cause its gettin spent with no record of it being in my possession!

tekn0lust's avatar

Certainly taxable.

There is no way you could stay under the radar and do anything significant with $1,000,000. It would actually be pretty hard to spend $1,000,000 without drawing attention to yourself in one way or another. You certainly couldn’t put it to work for you.

Smart money would pay the taxes and invest the remaining 600K. Even at 4% it would take a little over 11 years to get back to $1,000,000

Supacase's avatar

If I were fortunate to find $1,000,000 I would be damn happy with the $600,000 left after taxes. I might feel differently with $100,000 and I would definitely feel differently with $10,000.

I have a strong sense of guilt, though, so I’m sure I would report it to keep from beating myself up over it. Peace of mind is more important than $$.

dalepetrie's avatar

@UScitizen – I wondered about that too, like if you found enough money so that there’s really no way that anyone could have obtained that much cash legally, I wondered if the police would confiscate it. I wonder if one could even then report it to the IRS without the police coming and just taking it?

@tekn0lust – I agree with you, and I’m curious if you know for a fact that it is taxable, or if you’re just assuming, because that does seem logical to me that it would be. I guess my default thinking would be that I have to report this somehow, how would I go about doing so…I’d probably end up calling the IRS and asking them what to do. Which if I really did find money, that’s what I’d probably have done rather than post on here, but I’m a bit leery of just calling the IRS line and asking a hypothetical question like this, lest the agent on the other end decides I actually did find money…I have no money as it is, last thing I’d need is IRS troubles.

But nothelesss, I am curious about what if a person DID find a ton of money and just wanted to keep it, isn’t there some sort of threshold where if someone brings in more than $x in cash to a bank in a single transaction, the bank would have to report it to some regulatory agency and possibly the IRS, making it possible to stay under the radar if you broke up your deposits into smaller amounts? I would wonder if someone could theoretically open say 10 bank accounts, and deposit say a couple thousand dollars in cash once a week into each account until the full amount was in one account or another and still stay under the radar? One could probably also do things like buy money orders payable to their mortgage company or credit card companies if they stayed under a certain dollar figure and do that on a regular basis until those were paid off, and just not spend any of the money out of their checking accounts.

I’m kind of curious, if someone were in this situation and motivated to keep as much of the money as they could, and were thus motivated to try to slowly use this money instead of their income until it was gone, even if that took years, would it even be necessary for them to do so? I mean, if there’s no law on the books saying specifically that this kind of money is indeed “taxable income”, one wouldn’t even HAVE to do that. I just wonder because I assume if for example I have a yard sale and bring in $1,000, I can deposit that money in my bank, and I’m not going to ever have to answer for it. Or even if I sell my used car for 4 grand, I can put that money in the bank. Of if I win a few hundred bucks at a casino, not enough to make them W-2 me, but I still deposit a fair amount of cash. Or when you have an insurance claim…that comes by check, but could be a huge deposit and no one says anything. I wonder if there’s a threshold for cash vs. checks, and if it’s based on amount, or frequency of deposits, and if there’s any centralized source to know if you use multiple banks.

But of course, as you said, 11 years would get you back to a million, so assuming you take home less than $90k a year, it would probably take you longer than 11 years just to get that money into the bank via this method.

I also have to imagine that there are some pretty sophisticated ways to utilize large amounts of ill gotten cash, after all, drug dealers do it all the time, and I have to imagine that very few of them are paying taxes on all of their income. I have to figure people maybe set up fake companies, launder the money through them, and use write-offs and tax incentives for small business owners to reduce their tax liability to zero. It just leads me to all sorts of imagining, like what if a person went to all that effort and then found out that they didn’t even need to because found money by some weird loophole (like the tax code just never addressed it because it’s not something that happens with any frequency) was never taxable in the first place, so they went to all this trouble to conceal it and could have just deposited it in the bank.

It just occurred to me, I think people daydream all the time of just coming into a bunch of money unexpectedly, but I wonder about the mechanics of it…the kind of details you’d read in a book and think “wow, I never thought about that part of it.” Which is kind of one of those things…I have ideas that pop into my head from time to time where I think, “I should write a book about that”, and I think about the realities, but then never actually get around to writing the book. Like I have had this idea for a long time about some guy who hated his life, hated his wife and his job and just wanted to disappear, and he ends up on a business trip to NYC. He’s scheduled for a meeting in the World Trade Center on the morning of 9/11, but he gets really drunk the night before and sleeps right through his alarm, and when he realizes what has happened, he uses it as an excuse to disappear, and lets everyone think he died. Hell, maybe this guy gets so drunk on the night of the 10th because he finds a duffle bag full of money?

But that’s as far as I get, because I think, well what would you do then? How would you go about living with an alias, getting some fake papers in this day and age? What would you do for money, could you completely fabricate a resume? How would you just go about the day to day living without getting busted? I could never write a book unless I could explain exactly how the person did what they did in a way that was plausible and consistent with reality, unfortunately, I just don’t even know how to begin hashing out all these hypotheticals. Hence questions like this one on Fluther!

Mavericksjustdoinganotherflyby's avatar

I could be wrong, but I think banks only have to report deposits over 10,000 to the IRS.
I maybe would claim ½ of it as income just to keep the IRS at bay and because keeping track of 100 bank accounts would take out a small forest. If the Gov. actually knew how to spend our money correctly I’d claim all of it. Until then, not a chance.

thriftymaid's avatar

If you find money it is taxable. Income from any and all sources is taxable. The annual exclusion is the most used exception —you may give any live individual $13,000 in a calendar year tax free.

tekn0lust's avatar

@dalepetrie I asked my Tax accountant who quickly responded “Certainly.” She cited Section 61 of the IRC. But also conceded that Sections 61 is quite vague.

From:
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p525/ar02.html

Found property. If you find and keep property that does not belong to you that has been lost or abandoned (treasure-trove), it is taxable to you at its fair market value in the first year it is your undisputed possession.

galileogirl's avatar

The level of taxable income on a gift is over $12,000 per person. The only time I found currency on the street was $8 on the parkway, a block from the nearest house or bus stop. Ijust took it as a gioft from God. However I did remind him that it could have been $11992 more before I would have to tell the IRS

dalepetrie's avatar

@tekn0lust – thanks for doing that. I kind of suspected that was the answer…maybe I’ll write that novel after all.

Darwin's avatar

Banks report deposits of more than $10,000, and, as @galileogirl says, the tax limit on gifts is over $12,000 per person (that would be per giver). Thus, it probably wouldn’t matter unless it were more than either of those numbers. However, technically it should be reported as unearned income.

DrBill's avatar

It is taxable, when you happen to find that pile of money, see your tax professional and they can advise you on how to shelter a large portion.

Dominic's avatar

Yes. The definition of “Gross Income” is very broad. The case we used in my Income Tax class was Cesarini, where a couple that found several thousand dollars in a piano (yes, that kind of piano) was required to include it as taxable income.

va3thn's avatar

@Supacase. Why feel guilty? Here’s one example….YOU work for a living, but the government says it wants 20–25% of your income… of the 75% you have left you have to pay taxes on anything you spend it on… now if you spend it on a car or a home.. now you need to pay annual taxes… all the government does is tax the tax taxing the tax… and words it so you don“t even think about it… Personally I’d put a million in a mattress, make no large unsubstantiated purchases and just use it a few hundred at a time.

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