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allen_o's avatar

If we were created, who created the creator?

Asked by allen_o (1485points) February 28th, 2008 from iPhone
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tekn0lust's avatar

We did. See the problem?

Let the lashings begin…

squirbel's avatar

When one believes he is created, he always believes in a God who calls himself “I Am”. This means He was not created; He was, He is, and He always will be. It comes down to belief; can’t be logically deduced. :P

Cardinal's avatar

I agree with the rodent above (squirbel). Religion is all faith based.

ccatron's avatar

i have thought about this question before and it blows my mind every time I try to make sense of it. I just believe and it will be revealed to me when i get to heaven.

on the same note..if there isn’t a creator, where did all of the “stuff” come from to evolve into other things?

allen_o's avatar

don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe in god, I just wanted to know if anyone had a good arguement for creationalism, my belief is that life on earth is a beutiful coincidence, caused by our distance to the sun, our water, our atmosphere, and our moon

squirbel's avatar

I believe in God, and I am not ashamed of it. I also believe in micro-evolution, and science in general. I have a healthy balance of faith and logic; they are not mutually exclusive, nor are they always on the same plane. We have lots more to learn. Learning is exponential, each discovery leaves us with more questions.

Les's avatar

I don’t think creationism and believing that we were created are the same thing. Creationism is the idea that everything was created in it’s final form (so we didn’t evolve). But that is different than believing in evolution, but that a “creator” set all that in motion.

aaronblohowiak's avatar

allen_o, your question assumes that the “creator” is subject to the mechanism of time and causality as we understand it. I am not sure that is a fair assumption to make given the subject matter.

El_Cadejo's avatar

Im with tekn0lust we created god, not the other way around. I look at it just like all the other mythology. People making up stories to explain the inexplicable.

ishotthesheriff's avatar

i’m with squirbel in this boat, completely.
here’s some apologetics. .
answersingenesis.org

you can find a lot of great articles pertaining to what you’re asking

shorty's avatar

The problem here is that many people have a mistaken concept of God. If we conceive of God as physical, anthropomorphic (like man) being, the question of God’s origin is valid. However, such a concept of God is alien to the Bible and to common sense. Consider the following descriptions of God from the Bible:

John 4: 24 God is a Spirit:...
Matthew 16:17…for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my father which is in heaven.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should…;
Obviously, the descriptions and concepts of God given in these passages are that God is a spiritual entity. He exists outside of the three-dimensional, physical world in which we live.
The Bible further supports this concept of God in the following passages:
Jeremiah 23:23–24 Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? ...Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.
2 Chronicles 2:6 But who is able to build a house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Him?...
Acts 17:28 For in Him we live, and move, and have our being;...
Not only is God described as being outside space, but He is also described as being outside of time. Consider the following:
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Psalm 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
Acts 1:7…It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His power.
If God is a being that is unlimited in time, and if He has access to every piece of time as if it were now, the question of who created God is an invalid question. The problem is like asking a student to draw a four-sided triangle. The terminology is self-contradictory. When asked “Who or what created God?,” we are making the assumption that God was created. If God exists outside of time and space, and if He is the Creator of time and space, He obviously was not created! God began the beginning! This is why He says, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”
God created time. The statement of Genesis, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,” is making reference to the creation of time. The reason that things like heat death, the expansion of the universe, and the depletion of hydrogen do not apply to God is because He is outside of time. God has always been. He not only began time; He will also end it. When time ends, all matter and all mankind will enter eternity—a timeless condition free of the negative things that time brings upon us now.
2 Peter 3:10–11 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,...
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

steelmarket's avatar

It is very difficult for us humans to imagine an entity that could exist outside of our spacetime. But, consider this: our universe is so vast, with billions of galaxies, that almost everyone agrees that some where, some time, there is other life. But there are probably other dimensions and universes, perhaps in infinite combination, some of which may not run a spacetime like ours. Aren’t the chances good that there are entities to whom space and time as we know them are meaningless, or trivial to manipulate?

skeh0138's avatar

ehhhhh, getting away from the creepy religious stuff: Aristotle approached the question from a metaphysical stance. I think he called it the “primary mover” it’s a source of emanation which is contingent on nothing other then itself or contemplation of itself. It is on this basis the created and creating things exist. If all things were contingent on each other, life and the universe itself would aged, died and would have been destroyed in a single cycle.

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