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Perception of outgroup bias?

Asked by DrMC (2126points) January 9th, 2010

have you ever felt mistreated because of your beliefs, because you didn’t fit in, or because of things about you that were treated as different from the main group of individuals treating you badly?

This is an evolution of concepts rolling around in my mind from other discussions.

What would you propose as a solution?

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Spinel's avatar

It happens to everyone. The only solutions are to brainwash everyone OR genetically engineer all people to fit one, no exceptions model. No thank you. Prejudice is a lesser of two evils when compared to a world full of 5 billion clones. Read Brave New World if you ever get the chance.

fireinthepriory's avatar

Oh, totally. Usually because of being gay. Sometimes for my beliefs, I’m very liberal.

There’s really no solution except for proper education about discrimination and diversity, and for when that fails, anti hate crimes legislation.

marinelife's avatar

Yes, of course I have. You can only look inward for affirmation.

PandoraBoxx's avatar

That was an interesting link. I work for a large corporation and we’ve used StrengthsFinders to self-label everyone with their top 5 strengths. What this has done is levelset expectations about working with various people within groups, how to leverage connectivity within a group. Other stereotypes have pretty much fallen by the wayside in the face of the predescribed strengths. What might come across as bossy or controlling behaviour is teed up as arranger and responsibility. In that light, tasks are assigned to the person that plays to those strengths.

My strengths extend from the workplace into my personal life. It would be fairly easy to guess at least three of my five strengths from my Fluther posts.

DrMC's avatar

diversity is the source of team success, I agree, valuing diversity is very smart.

My recent agnst is around political outgroup treatment by the current congress. Some are drinking the cool-aid, fortunately most I meet don’t let it enter interaction, but some do. I’m finding my self very anti democrat lately. It’ probably shows in my posts.

On another website, doctors do surveys, where impeachment of Obama, shooting lawyers is discussed. 80% doctors surveyed are furious.

It would be nice if society could get past ingroup stuff. I don’t see it yet.

DrMC's avatar

fireinthepriory – it’s just another way of being different. It kills me to see people abused.

wundayatta's avatar

I have never felt individually picked out for mistreatment. But I learned early on how to put on camouflage. I hid in the bushes, or out in plain sight, but somehow gaining the protection of the bully (by being understanding, I guess). I followed the Japanese dictum that only the nail that sticks out gets hammered. I never want to be hammered.

It’s weird, because with the protection of anonymity, I have been sticking my head up further, completely expecting to be hammered. Yet, I don’t feel hammered, so far. I don’t know why I haven’t been attacked. Maybe my camouflage skills are still pretty good. Or maybe I only stick my head up so much, and then pull back before the hammer comes a-pounding.

Oh yeah. The other tactic is preemptive self-pounding. Not much fun, but maybe that’s what keeps me from fluther fire.

And another thing. Like @fireinthepriory, I am very liberal. Sometimes socialist. But they key there is to live in places where everyone thinks the same—typically college communities. Or NYC. So if you surround yourself with people like yourself, you are less likely to get attacked. Not closely, anyway. Perhaps from afar.

The worst thing in my case, I think, is self abuse. And not the fun kind, either. Isn’t that pathetic? Being an out-group member in the group comprised of yourself?

DrMC's avatar

interesting angle daloon.

I’ver heard depression as a form of self violence or abuse.

My angle RE depression – and blame no one but me for this is…

1) a subordinate individual is pecked upon in a pecking order
2) has no recourse
3) learned helplessness kicks in.
4) decreased action/assertiveness protects the member from further attack
5) does not buck the order – safer.

I think learned helplessness is a defense mechanism for animals in groups, but I’ve even heard of deer doing it.

I think that bipolar parents raise kids to control their emotional responses with methods that would raise a normal kids poorly, but gives the at risk for bipolar kid defenses.

I will forgive you for being liberal. I used to be one too. Socialism is fine until it tells me when to get out of bed, and what I should say and think.

Self abuse might be self protection. If you could liberate yourself, intelligently, that could be a win. That kind of advice for me in the past has led to badness, be carefull with the defenses.

wundayatta's avatar

Intelligent liberation led to badness? Did I misunderstand you? Or if I am understanding you correctly, could you give an example?

HTDC's avatar

People don’t usually accept something that is different, unusual or not of the mainstream. I tell people all the time that I don’t want to have kids or get married and I’ve been called weird and been treated differently, but that doesn’t bother me. I’m happy with knowing I won’t be tied down with unappreciated, annoying kids to look after and have the freedom that marriage and children can never provide.

DrMC's avatar

Um I got some advice that would have worked well for others, stop hiding your anger – not good advice for me


SABOTEUR's avatar

You just summarized my entire life.

The solution?

Be yourself.

DrMC's avatar

couldn’t agree more Saboteur. I would modify that to, be yourself, but try not to let it cause trouble ; )

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