Do you think US military feel nothing but fun when killing?

Not as a whole, no. Statistically, some will enjoy killing. But for others, it’s just doing what needs to be done so that they can move on to the next thing. I’m told that combat is quite stressful.
Protip: Most people can’t read Greek blogs.

No.

Why don’t you ask my friend’s grandfather who served at Okinawa?

No.

I guess you would have ask the individual who killed someone, that question wouldn’t you?

I did talk to a Marine once. I work in a airport land-side terminal it was later at night he said if a kid comes up to you and is strapped with a bomb wanting to kill you what do you do?It makes you think doesn’t it?But I should also tell you he was a very down to earth and respectful person. And for him to be honest and upfront after me asking how he was in the war since he was deployed(as he told he was coming back home) Basically he had to do what he had to do.

Again though it comes down to the individual , DO NOT LET ONE PERSON change your whole perception of the U.S. Military because that is not fair and you would be stereotyping every person in the U.S. Military as some person who likes to kill people.

@Nullo i put the link for the video but even if someone wanted to read it there is always the translator

I think that as technology progresses, people will become further and further removed from the actual killing part. Rather than face to face combat, killing will be done remotely. By not actually experiencing the devastation that war causes, I think it will be easier to maintain indifference in soldiers. I don’t see how a military can be strong if its soldiers feel for their enemies. On the other hand, I hate that we are manufacturing wars purely for profit. It is one thing to go to war over a cause worth giving your life over, quite another to go to war to fill someone else’s pockets.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say the military is killing for “fun”. There may be a minority in the military that have been so messed up that this is true, but I think in general other motives are at work.

not generally, perhaps fleetingly.

Um.. I have seen seen vids of people saying they wanted to join the military and wanted to kill “Sand Niggers” after 9–11. So they are there. I doubt they represent the military as a whole. But it is there.

My aunt and uncle both spent 20+ years in and are super sweet.

@Sebulba You should ask a similar question to the Leader and Presidents who are sending money and military forces to war how they feel about it.On both sides.

They are the one pulling the strings, the people in U.S. military are simply doing there jobs which there contract enforces. Do you really think they want to go to war? and are enjoying killing people? I would doubt it….of course you have exceptions as I said before.

Did he really need to kill the puppy? I guess not, but again thats one person.

@Sebulba
You might consider that lots of people, mostly civilians, do cruel things to animals. We had a local story a couple years back about a 13-year-old girl who would stick kittens in a hot oven for kicks.

No, I don’t think so. There are always people that are full of hate and anger, and when you hurt or kill someone you hurt and kill a part of who you are. People returning from war are often changed and not for the good. I think that people joining up often don’t realize what they agree to.

There is a phenomena that we often assume the worst about people we don’t know, that are in situations we don’t care for. If one doesn’t agree with the wars that the US are involved in, it is easy to just believe american soldiers are monsters and just because you want to. Some are probably from before joining, others probably become ones, but most seem to be just ordinary decent people.

The story about the French soldiers and dogs might have happened, here and there. But you might recall that Napoleon imposed conscription to create his Grand Army. Regular people fighting in a war they didn’t ask for. That story seems just like one created to show how evil the French were, or to show how tough and cold they were.

In either case, I think it’s exaggerated to fit someones opinions.

@Nullo, I agree. Apparently there’s a dog poisoning problem in Greece? I understand tourists have complained about the practice in Crete.

@oratio i just included the story on Napoleon to fullfil the demands the admins. The video on the link was not accepted alone. I wasn’t trying to exaggerate.
@PandoraBoxx and @Nullo i am aware of what many people do to animals and yes here in Greece a lot of people poison dogs but i thought the marines on the video did it for fun and i wondered “these people go there and kill so many people why don’t kill a dog just for the fun of it”. for me this would not be funny and it certainly isn’t a part of a mission so…

@Sebulba It was a generic you.

Crazy people people are everywhere. Dog poisoners in Greece, Marines who throw dogs off clffs. The same sort of crazy. Only one may be a guy who owns a bakery in Greece, and the other engaged in a stressful occupation. Obviously, Marines who do this need psychological evaluation. These guys were probably microwaving hamsters as children. Just like whomever is poisoning dogs in Greece.

Do you think the participants in the Greek Junta enjoy torturing its own citizens?

@PandoraBoxx it is not the same. People (mostly elder) here poison dogs cause they think the dogs will bite their grandchildren as they go to school and they do it to dogs that don’t belong to anybody and are not inoculated so they think the kids will get rabies or something. What they do is wrong and hateful but they really have a reason and certainly don’t do it for fun

Can you say that for certainty, @Sebulba? There are no crazy people in Greece who injure animals because they are unbalanced?

of course there are but i just asked this one cause i’d like to know if you people think there is a connection between killing anything. i mean if you can kill dogs you can kill humans or vise versa

@Sebulba said, “do you think that these persons that go to the other side of the world to kill for money are able to just do it for fun now?”
I don’t think most US military soldiers kill for money or fun.
The US soldiers that I know are honorable, loyal, brave, generous, and decent folks.
If there are a few nut cases out there, I think it is just like others have said, you will find those in any large group.

Returning soldiers who have been forced to kill people during their deployment have a much better chance of developing post traumatic stress disorder. Very few military people desire to kill either human beings or animals, and the ones who do suffer from a mental illness.

thanks for the answer @pdworkin. do you think that both people that made the video are mental ill or they just kill the dog for fun?

I just answered that question above. You want me to answer it again?

No. There are soldiers who come back from killing in battle who are very emotionally messed up. The people in your video are sick. Just as there are sick people in civilian life, there are sick people in military life.

@ubersiren and @pdworkin i don’t believe that these two people are sick cause i think that they do what they are used to do there. If we had more videos showing what these people and many others do to humans you’ll get what i’m saying. I think they killed the puppy for fun as they killed so many innocent people for fun there in Iraq. I am not saying every US marine is like them but i’m saying that much too many are

I think perhaps you are not the brightest Sebulba in the lamp.

I’ve found this statement of the marine after he came back to the US.Let me know what do you think

“I want to clear somethings up before tomarrow (sic). This might be hard to believe but I am sorry about the dog. At the time I just really didn’t care. When you are constantly under fire sometimes people develop a different sence (sic) of humor than what others are used to.

That video was from over a year and I don’t know who put it out there but it wasn’t me. It has been a really hard day. I don’t know how they got my information but someone got all my information and i had to disconnect my parents and my girlfriends phone not to mention i had to redo my myspace because it got hacked. I just want it to end.”

I think the video shows action not becoming of a US soldier. He was discharged. It’s not clear why the puppy needed to be killed. I suspect the soldier was dishonorably discharged. I also am going to be disturbed for a while after seeing that.

There are a certain number of very nasty people in the world, and they do on occasion find their way into combat.

I’ll give you a quote I remember from history channel – German infantry under Rommel facing Patton. There was an artillery stand off where both sides tried to blow the hell out of each-other from long range.

The soldier recalls having soiled his undies. He stated this was perfectly natural under the circumstances.

There is a video of a middle age man doing a bungee drop – he too has a similar reaction.

If it makes you shit your pants is it fun?

These fellows are not in combat, they are simply being sadistic, and in no way getting towards the US’s goal of winning hearts and minds, helping the country stabilize so we can get the hell out of there.

This incident will cost the US in lives and money because it will take longer to get out of the middle east.

Potentially. While I’d say the military is a perfect place for people who just want to kill things, I’d say a significant portion of them aren’t like that.

In other news, the video didn’t work.

I stand by my answer. If you agree that not every soldier is like this, then why wouldn’t you think there’s something wrong with these? They’re obviously displaying disturbed behavior. Whether they’re getting joy or pleasure from it or they feel driven to it, that’s not normal for anyone.

@Sebulba
You don’t think that people who stuff kittens in ovens for fun do it for fun? And where do you get that they kill innocent civilians?

There are always those few psychopaths who enjoy killing… but 99.9% of soldiers I’ve ever dealt with… .. no… no one enjoys killing..

Part of the purpose of millitary training, any country’s millitary, is to desensitize the soldier to killing. Part of the millitary’s job, any millitary, is to kill the enemy, whomever that may be, on order and without question. The damage that does to the souls of the individuals is horrific, thus the pathological behavior displayed in the video. The remedy must start with forgiveness. Compassion between peoples and for individual victims (and the boy in the video is a victim, too) is the only way to heal our hearts and our world. That said, I have to admit, that video makes me want to kill that sick son of a….

My uncle was traumatised by the two tours of duty he had as a paratrooper in Viet Nam, and had a nervous breakdown after the second. The one time he talked to me about his experiences, he said My Lai was a drop in the bucket, he feared being killed by his own cohorts at times and he wished he had been as brave as Muhammad Ali in resisting being drafted.

Doesn’t sound like much fun to me, though I’m sure that there’s quite a number of soldiers who are psychopaths and enjoy killing, especially now that the US armed forces lately are recruiting some rather dangerous people.

They’re doing their job, following orders, and hoping that it brings peace and security to their home country.

@Shield_of_Achilles if you believe that throughing a puppy of the cliff and killing it for no reason at all is “following orders” then you are a ************.nothing more to say to you

@Sebulba If you really think I can speak for every soldier in existence, then you are the ************. I can only speak for my 7 friends, 2 brothers, 2 grandfathers, and uncle that were in the service.

Why do you think that the act of one soldier reflects the opinion of every soldier?

Thank you @Shield_of_Achilles.
Also thank you to your family and friends for their servce.

@wilma I do what I can.

Yeah @Shield_of_Achilles I and millions of innocent Iraqi people thank you and your family for bombing them 100000000 times. This baby on the pictures on my link at the details of my question especially thank you. And the other guy that has no legs thanks you very much!

hurrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrr

@Sebulba
100,000,000. That’s the number of times you say that the Iraqi people were bombed by the Coalition forces. Do you realize that there aren’t even that many bombs/missiles/etc. in all of the arsenals of every member of the Coalition?
I’ll admit that I’m not up-to-the-minute on operations in Iraq, but I was under the impression that most bombings these days were being done by Iraqi insurgents, while soldiers stick to projectile weapons. I find it more than likely that most, if not all, of those victims were killed/maimed by insurgents.

I agree with the others, and with the marine that you quoted: they’re not well. You would be wise to brush up on your psychology before spewing ignorant hate at the Internet.

@Sebulba I have a friend who would like to thank you for the road side bomb you left him. If you find his right leg, feel free to let me know.

I have a brother would would like you to thank him for ending Sadam’s regime and another friend who would like the same for training your national guardsmen and police force.

We are currently trying to help your country stand on its own two feet. Yeah, we made a mess, but would you rather we tear your country apart and say “best of luck with that yall. Peace out!”?

ha! I don’t know any Iraqi people that rut a road side bomb in the US! You went to help Iraq stand at its feet? lol! Like you do now for Afghanistan ah? lol You are the best people apparently cause you want to help everyone so much. Nothing is done for the money of course. You want to help the poor people of such countries cause they are dictated by bad people like Sadam. Oh poor people lets bomb them all! Even their hospitals! And kill a puppy for fun. And then go rape some Iraqi bithes and then go kill some shity Iraqi for fun and let their children cry on their bodies and then kill them too. Thank you US military! You came all the way to a place you don’t even know or really care about with guns you murderers! Like you always do. You are sick and you make me sick

@Sebulba
It seems kind of pointless arguing with you, but that’s never stopped me before.
1) He’s talking about Iraqi insurgents who set roadside bombs that blow bits off of soldiers.
2) Yes and no; Iraq was to overthrow Saddam and eliminate WMDs (and yes, they DID find WMDs and components), and we did (setting up a new government is merely the responsible thing to do to fill the power vacuum), Afghanistan was initially to hunt down al-Qaeda members and has, through necessity and circumstance, mutated into a similar operation as Iraq. Money figures in as a secondary, or maybe even tertiary factor, as it does in all things outside of actual commercial transactions. This is supported by the fact that Afghanistan doesn’t really have anything that’s worth anything.
3) Yes, we do want to help; we are something of a philanthropic bunch. Just look at all the resources that we pour into every major disaster relief effort.
4) We are very picky about targets (heck, rules for engagement in Afghanistan pretty much rule out shooting an enemy combatant if there are any civilians in the target’s general direction) and we have very, very precise bombs, so your statement is most likely grossly-exaggerated hyperbole.
5) As we have said, the puppy-killers were under a lot of stress, which does not help a body over time.
6) Accusations of rape and the shooting of civilians are unfounded, and therefore not but troll bait.
7) “Like you always do”?
8) You are certainly sick, but I don’t think that we’re the cause. I think that maybe you should find some less-than-horribly-biased source of information; that might make you feel better.

@Nullo

Although sebulba seem to be an angry and somewhat misguided person in his statements, he has some grounds. He is attacking something that you care about, and I can understand that you feel like defending America and the soldiers over there. Most of them seem to be good decent people doing a great job, but you shouldn’t close your eyes for the atrocities that happens as well.

I understand that foreign troops occupying ones land is not popular, but agree that the coalition needed to stay, in order to make sure the Baath and another Saddam would surface which would have made the war pointless.

It is wonderful that Saddam is gone, and most Iraqi seem to be thankful for that, because now they can have a another future than they had before.

American soldiers has done much for the Iraqi people, providing help and protection. Bad mouthing the soldiers en masse is absolutely unfair.

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…most bombings these days were being done by Iraqi insurgents…

I agree that most what makes the news are IEDs, and that they are common. It also seems like that the US military have been doing air strikes and bomb runs all the way up til 2009 √. There is a of use cluster bombs. They clear an area the size of a football field, and not all bomblets detonate; turning them in reality into land mines. With people being around and kids being kids further people die. Civilians are not meant to die, but they still do, and it’s not very easy to see the difference between a civilian and an insurgent.

This is done where people live, and civilians do die. It is estimated that some 70 percent of killings in conflicts like this are civilians. The US don’t only kills the bad guys. One can’t topple a leader like Saddam, without attacking the people, not to mention that the soldiers of Iraq were somebody’s dad, brother and son just like with the american soldiers.

You mention precise bombs. The precision is debatable. The US has bombed hospitals and refugee shelters, precise or not, and a lot of civilians has died from it. It doesn’t seem to be less from the recent wars than earlier ones.

Americans do rape and kill at home in america. The US dropped the recruitement standards and recruit gangbangers and criminals, sometimes more or less directly from the jails. Gangbanger graffiti and white power tags are found on many Baghdad walls.

Around a million people have served in Iraq as soldiers, and one also has to count the private contractors. With IEDs, snipers and attacks on the streets, people are bound to snap. Most people seem to want to believe that Abu Ghraib was an isolated incident. A few bad apples, they said.√ √

Most rapes in that happens in America don’t hit the news. Rape in Iraq don’t as well, and it’s not limited to “enemy women”. Rape of female soldiers in the US army is also a problem.

√. √

Rapes and murder done by private contractors is hard – if possible – to prosecute as well as they are not really covered by any laws, as soldiers are.

War rapes are mostly swept under a rug, as it is still as it always has been, seen like a casualty of war. Often soldiers see it as a right. “You shoot at us and try to kill us, fine, we take your women.” Most american soldiers don’t do that. But take a million people and have them face death, and it will happen frequently.

Sebulba might be missing a bigger picture, but there are just grievances about the presence of the coalition in Iraq.

well @Nullo i don’t know from were to begin with you.I’ll answer to your numerical statements.
2.) No WMD found and if they tell you they did find anything is just a lie
3.) You are “Team America World Police” like the movie. So you a bunch of hamburger eating shitheads are the philanthropic bunch and we the rest of the world are stupid and cruel to other people. So we don’t bomb them.And yes i saw all the resources you poured to relief the Katrina disaster.
4.) Picky about targets? I saw on Greek tv two bombings of hospitals and unumerable destroying of houses hotels where reporters lived and schools
5.) The puppy killers for me are just an example
6.) You know a war that didn’t include rapings or are you 5 years old?
7.) You always do is true for me as in my short life (23 years) i’ve seen you America World Police go save the Albanians from the Yugoslavians and then go at Iraq for the 100th time and then go to Afghanistan to help the country establish a true government and search for al-qaeda and shit and you used more bombs than the sunflower seeds i ate in my whole life.

And you think all these are not for the money? What do you have to say then for the IBM machines the NAZI used? And the fuel american companies sold them to bombard England? And you say Afghanistan doesn’t have anything of worth? This doesn’t matter at all. The money comes from other things. Like your government spending billions to keep soldiers there and loan this money from your federal bank which is private?
And fuck me with my sources I DON’T RELY on sources people i just see things and THINK! I rely on my inteligence to understand what is being done

@Sebulba
Now it seems like you are kind of spewing, and it doesn’t help you to insult people without good reason. Americans are not evil. And if you cleaned up you statements a bit, you could make a fair point.

It’s hardly about the money. The wars have cost the US much more than can be covered by anything they can get from these countries. Money much needed back in the US. There are many competing reasons for going into this region and to stay. There is an important geopolitical impact to consider. Some of the most important aspects are influence, stability and control.

You are trying to make an inherently complex world simple, and you can’t compare present days politics to what american businessmen did under WWII, and you can’t blame every american soldier for what is decided in Washington. True is that America has done despicable things in the name of freedom, but I also think you can acknowledge the countless of good things America has done.

You seem to think that the US is to blame for many things wrong with the world. I agree that the current world order with one superpower setting the agenda is unfortunate, but it could be worse. Much worse. Freedom and democracy prevails today thanks to the US.

The US is however not willing to let Europe take charge of it’s own security, pushing NATO forward instead of dissolving it after the cold war. The Bartholomew Telegram made that clear, and the US put down it’s foot, when discussions about WEU and a bigger EU alliance was discussed during Maastricht. As it is, WEU is sorted under NATO.

Things will change. We are growing into a multi-polar world, but it’s going to take a while. Meanwhile America provides some stability in the world.

You should consider using sources. Opinions are good, as long as you realize they are opinions and that you can be wrong.

@Sebulba You’re an idiot.

Do you think cynics feel nothing but fun when asking cynical questions?

Please mods do not remove @Shield_of_Achilles post

@oratio I can’t say i couldn’t be wrong but some things are pretty much obvious. Yes i do believe that is all done for the money and i know that US economy is ruined by these things and that is what i said. US governments loan from their private national bank. The people who own these banks drive things towards war politics. They rule US and appoint presidents. They are the same families since 1930. You all know who they are. The same families that controll eventually the 95% of world petroleum resources. Tell me wasn’t there uranium in Yugaslavia? DIdn’t USA used excessive number of tomahawk that were going to expire? They were just bombing the place no matter what! And tell me didn’t Milocevic judjed by an unnofficial jury (formed by the US) that condemned him to death? Milocevic was a great man you know and he died for no reason at all actually. And i’m sure the US media would describe him as a tyrant of the Albanian people! No I don’t want to imagine how much worse the world could be. I want to imagine what a great place it would be if we all start to love each other instead of bombing them for the sake of geopolitical stability and shit that YOU PEOPLE SEE AS NEEDED! And yes US is to blame for many things wrong with the world as the only killer i see from the day i was born is US. Now i know about the US national bank and its ways since WW2 which you say doesn’t have to do with todays politics. I also know what the real role of US presidents are and the only thing that can stop them is the US citizens. These people are not all retarted. There were and are many great Americans on every field (music, literature, science, politics…) virtualy everything and i do admire a lot of Americans for their work and acts but most of them are sleeping awake. They watch cnn and then come here and tell ME to change my sources. When they can’t answer they tell me that i don’t worth an argument and that “they have better things to do” than watch what i give them to watch so they’ll share some of my sources. In other words “close-minded blinded war piggies that not only follow their superior’s imperialism but they support it with so much faith and passion. Obviously they are not aware of the great Americans i said above

(sorry for the spelling and the syntax or gramatical errors everyone)

@Sebulba

The Tribunal is not appointed by the US but the UN, and Milosevic died of heart problems. The federal reserve is not a private bank, it’s an independent government institution which appoints the leadership of the bank. As far as I can tell, the german Deutsche Bundesbank is even more independent. That, in my opinion, is a good thing. Although big money seem to be quite influential of American politics, there isn’t a big conspiracy out there.

The greatness of Slobodan Milosevic could be debated. He wasn’t well loved even in yugoslavia. Actually, they were the ones who sent him to Hague. He wasn’t snatched away at night by the west.

I agree, it would be great if we could just love each other. Politics, military power and ambition don’t work that way though. If you imagine that the US would just go “poof” and vanish today, do you think that would bring peace to earth? Would the rest of the world just let there be a power vacuum? Odds are, you would complain about Russia or China instead. Probably both. The world wouldn’t look any prettier, probably worse.

@sebulla welcome to America where there are a lot of different people with different attitudes, skin color, history and ethnicity. We come from Europe, China, Japan, Viet Nam, Germany, Iraq and Iran. We somehow manage not to kill each-other.

Please don’t make the mistake assuming that because one asshole commits a crime in Iraq that I enjoyed watching that horrid video. This form of generalization is what starts and perpetuates hatred and war.

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Just because a collective of assholes cheered when their “martyrs” flew 2 airplanes into our buildings killing thousands of civilians – doesn’t mean all Muslims share the guilt and we are entitled to kill their puppies. I happen to know from insiders that in other non-Muslim, anti-American countries it was cheered too.

If I followed your logic (one asshole means all Americans like what is going on over there – to puppies) then it would make sense that because of 911 – we are fully entitled to use nuclear weapons on all Muslim countries. They are all the same – wouldn’t you say – or perhaps there is an innocent soul or two in Iran!

I personally think this is primitive logic. The reason the neanderthals died out, is because they made this type of generalization, and died out killing each-other off.

Too many people in this world hate

evolve or die killing yourselves off.

look @DrMC i am not generalizing here but i hear nothing but stupid things coming up fron everyone so…what do you expect me to say? You tell me “the Muslims and the 9/11” i don’t even believe that 9/11 has something to do with muslims or al-qaeda or all that shit you’re telling me. I don’t care you people think and believe whatever cnn is giving you i am tired of debating you on fluther

I hope you’re not planning on leaving. What a loss that would be to the community!

Well @pdworkin actually i am planning on leaving or get banned once and for all. You see not only i feel i am wasting my time on a community of retarted people, i also feel that my offering of knowledge and sources are not being appreciated at all. I mean i have the passion to exchange opinions and knowledge but i don’t see anyone else to share the same passion. And not even one person came to me and told me “sebulba read this or sebulba watch that, or sebulba hear that”. I am giving you people material for discussion not to change your minds and you’re telling me “i have better things to do”! “sebulba change your source of information” Oh yes? Give me a trusted source of information then! And this doesn’t matter again cause i don’t repeat what i see or hear here. I use my inteligence to form my opinion which always could be changed if a person with real and undoubtable arguments debated me. I am have not closed my ears like the most of you. I am open to discussion but most of you apes can’t have a real discussion. After two sentencies you call me “conspiracy theorist” and if you could say it without get banned you’d tell me to go fuckmyself. Thanks everyone! Yes @pdworkin i will be a loss. Not for this stupid community that serves nothing but sweet wasting of time for its members. I will be a loss to the ignition of thinking and discusing using our own minds and real facts and experiences. I came from answerbag as an expert on engineering categories. Here i didn’t even bother and besides there are no questions here related to these matters. I lost enough time of my life on fluther and geopoliticaly, war , US, 9/11 matters. This came to be i believe because of my denial to accept the fact that everyone from US here on fluther is blind and loves it. And tells me “sebulba you’re an idiot”. And says yes to Iraq and Afghanistan. ha you’re so funny. @pdworkin although i am sure you’ll hardly believe this you are one of the persons i’ll miss

“Retarted” (retarded), stupid, blind ape” here.
If your posts weren’t so filled with hate (it seems to be aimed particularly at America and Americans) some might take you more seriously.
Good luck.

If one sees beyond this (that doesn’t matter) he/she will take me seriously. But you were the one who thanked a family of murderes for their service in Iraq! This means you have not enough inteligence to even understand what i say so it is imposible for you to take me serious whether i am using words filled with hate or not

@Sebulba – thank you for not generalizing – maybe you noticed that I thought the video was disturbing – and I agree – this does nothing good for the American cause. You must realize, re-reading the posts above, that you were posting flame bait. Not all people can rise above the issue, and many Americans can’t see beyond 9/11. That is the hazard with that type of diplomacy (September 11). Puppy killing is just more of the same to me. In a world of Eye for an Eye – soon we will be all blind.

9/11 however was not for Americans – it was for world wide audience.

there might be a few sick people that enjoy doing that but i’m sure therer is nothing about what those soilders have to see or do that is enjoyable