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Is stalking ever attractive?

Asked by avvooooooo (8880points) January 24th, 2010

Is it ever ok? Has following someone around, online, offline, or both, ever won someone’s heart? Does it ever make sense to make a nuisance of yourself?

Second question. Why do people do this when it doesn’t work? Do people like having restraining orders filed against them?

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icehky06's avatar

I think it’s creepy but it depends, I mean I’m not going to lie I’ve stalked someone I liked home before…

Jude's avatar

It’s never okay. Very creepy.

janbb's avatar

Well no it doesn’t work, but I don’t think, in most cases, it is a rationally thought out act.

Blondesjon's avatar

It worked for Cyrano De Bergerac.

TLRobinson's avatar

It’s never cute, attractive or sexy. It’s always creepy, unnerving and psychotic.

rangerr's avatar

Stalking is NOT okay in my book.
It’s creepy and well.. creepy.
Not the way to win my heart, but it’s a good way to push me away.
When it gets as far as finding out passwords and spying, that’s just psychotic.
People suck.

dpworkin's avatar

It is a dangerous, violent illness to be taken very seriously. It requires immediate legal attention, and you should be aware that you are in physical danger. There is nothing amusing about it.

gggritso's avatar

Sure, if your stalker, is pale, moody and 700 years old I hear the ladies are all over you.

Blondesjon's avatar

@gggritso . . . so you’re saying it’s okay for @daloon?

Trillian's avatar

@Blondesjon Why ya gotta lash out? ~ I’m actually wondering about @daloon, haven’t heard from him in a few days or seen him on the threads.

oratio's avatar

Never had a stalker.

I think though, that it’s not always clear to the stalker that s/he is stalking. But then again the question was if it was sometimes attractive. If it’s perceived as stalking I can’t see how it would ever be attractive.

@rangerr That happened to you? Scary.

sjmc1989's avatar

Of course! I find it extremely arousing and it’s good foreplay. but then again I’m a little unstable myself.

poisonedantidote's avatar

well, if someone where stalking me i would wonder how well they are doing mentally. why are they stalking me, whats their deal, what do they want.

after i had confirmation that i am indeed being stalked, and i had a fair understanding of their motives i would confront them about it.

i would say your chances of ending up in a relationship with me because you stalked me are about 15% in your favor. if i decide you are just very shy and only a little bit crazy i may go for it and bite.

however, my initial reaction would always be to think its creepy and cause me to question your sanity.

EDIT:

i do not condone stalking and would never stalk anyone, and in the majority of cases the stalker is probably crazy and dangerous.

sometimes i take risks

marinelife's avatar

Stalking is an act of violence. It is not about caring for someone. It is the opposite.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

Since the first part of your question is obvious, I will deal with the second part.

According to Michael G. Conner, Psy.D.

If you want to know something about stalking, then prepare yourself to be surprised. Here are some research findings. Women stalk men nearly as much as men stalk women. Men and women also stalk each other in similar ways. Men stalk more at night and women stalk more by day. Nearly 3 out of 11 people who break up will begin to feel or think they are being stalked. On any given day, about one out of a thousand people may feel like they are being stalked. A true stalker can’t stand to be ignored. If they can’t have your love they will settle for your anger and hatred. The worst thing you can do is respond and interact with someone who may be stalking you. Why do they feel this way and what can you do about?

Despite a growing body of research in the past five years, stalking is still very misunderstood by the public, the courts and law enforcement. For practical purposes there are three types of stalking. Relationship stalking occurs when a couple breaks up. But that is not stalking in a legal sense. It just looks like and feels like stalking. Obsessional stalking develops because of the way the couple interacted and the way they broke up. Obsessional stalking is a psychological problem that has many causes but in general it is the result of an “on again” and “off again” relationship as was well as a “desire and fear of a relationship” in one person and “fear of separation and loss” in the other. The childhood of at least one these people is usually emotionally barren or emotionally abusive. Delusional stalking occurs when a mental disorder causes the person to become obsessed or fixated on some unsuspecting person because of what amounts to a medical condition. In some cases a severe psychological obsession becomes delusional. The delusional stalker becomes irrational and fixated on people like movie stars, a public figure, a co-worker or even a former intimate relationship.

Nearly 90% of all college students who break up will engage in what is called “unwanted pursuit behavior”. Pursuit behavior includes writing notes, giving gifts, making phone calls, contacting friends, following the person or intruding in their life. This can border and easily cross the line and become an obsession. What researcher’s find interesting is that pursuit behavior is normal. If Jane dissolves a relationship with Bob, then it is very common for Bob to pursue Jane as a means to restore the relationship. Researchers call this a “relationship repair mechanism.” Some people and even the courts mistakenly call this stalking.

For some men and women it is an especially difficult task to transform a deep sexual and emotional bond into a mere friendship. People with traumatic childhoods involving death and loss of a loved one have an especially difficult time. The person being “dumped” will usually have the hardest time because they are either surprised, hurt or they are made to feel like their life and reputation is ruined. Human beings have not found healthy ways to just stop feeling. They act to feel better in the moment and tend to disregard or minimize the consequences and impact of their behavior on others. Drugs and alcohol are certainly not solutions and make matters worse.

There are differences between the way men and women stalk each other. More men than women engage in bolder forms of pursuit such as showing up at a doorstep late at night “just wanting to talk”. Men are less afraid to sneak around someone’s house to see if their girlfriend is with someone else. Women generally do their stalking by day or in public.

So what happens when a woman dissolves the relationship, tells Bob to stop pursuing her, but then she pursues Bob or gives him hope that they could have a relationship? Behavioral scientists say the unwanted pursuit is now “wanted.” Wanted pursuit behavior includes writing back, returning phone calls, talking to the person, leaving messages, giving them hugs and otherwise encouraging and rewarding Bob’s pursuit of Jane. Having sex with Bob after repeatedly breaking up is definitely a mistake. Claiming she is the victim after a willing expression of sexual intimacy with a person she claims is stalking her is probably denial. Reporting this to the police that she is being stalked the next day after having sex is probably “false crime reporting.”

Obsessive relationships are not hard to create. Bob will become obsessed if Jane tells him to leave her alone while at the same time she is telling Bob she loves him and they were meant to be together. Bob will get even more obsessed when he hears that Jane has told Bob’s friends how much she loves him, what a jerk he can be and she just can’t be with him. Most guys like Bob might say “Forget it!”, but Bob will start to feel more and more like repairing the relationship if Jane continues to intrude into his life.

Men and women become especially obsessed in a relationship when they experience a double bind. The most powerful double bind is “I love you, go away.” Saying or expressing this over and over to anyone can be a sick game. What happens when Bob and Jane repeatedly break up and restore the relationship? They both start to fall apart and blame the other person. At this point Jane and Bob are both part of the problem. It is not fair to call it stalking when two people are essentially intruding and stalking each other. There are no victims of stalking when there is mutual pursuit.

Obsessive pursuit becomes stalking when it becomes scary and it is not mutual pursuit. Continuous following, showing up on a person’s door step, entering their house or taking objects are referred to as intrusions. Obsessive intrusions can alarm and scare people. Repeated and severe intrusions suggest the person may be obsessed or delusional. Taking objects, mementos and property reflect serious problems. It is especially bad if a guy is taking the girl’s underwear. Women don’t do that but they are more likely to take a guy’s dog, claim they found the dog and then ask the guy to come get it.

Researchers have found that about 1 out of 24 people who are convinced they are being stalked actually aren’t. And about 1 out of 49 people who are being stalked actually don’t believe they are. Now here is where it all gets interesting. Some people who claim to be stalked suffer from what has been called “false stalking syndrome.” This syndrome (a pattern of behavior) confuses the public, the courts, law enforcement and even the friends of the so-called victim.

False stalking syndrome is similar to another disorder called “Munchausen’s Syndrome”, named after a Baron who was famous for outlandish stories that were so convincing that people believed him. People with this disorder will go to the doctor for treatment as a means to gain attention, sympathy and support from others. Some mothers will take their children to doctors for treatment that is not necessary – called Munchausen’s by Proxy.

Women with false stalking syndrome will go to the police, ministers, friends and others to gain support, friendship and escape from problems in their life. It has not been established whether or not men have this syndrome. Women with this condition are typically dramatic, sexually provocative, live chaotic lives, suffer repeated relationship failures, have financial problems and have very dysfunctional histories usually involving drug or alcohol use. They also have histories of being stalked or know people who have been stalked. Any person who repeatedly places their self in proximity of a person they claim is stalking them is likely to suffer from false stalking syndrome or may be involved in false crime reporting.

The extreme form of Munchausen’s involves making up symptoms or inflicting injury through abuse or even poisoning. The extreme form of false stalking syndrome involves creating the appearance that the women’s life is ruined or in danger. In this case, a woman repeatedly engages in a relationship with a man, does not tell her support system and then claims to be a victim of stalking. Such women will tell police and the court that they fear for their life, obtain a stalking order and they will then go to the so-called “stalkers” church, community group or place of employment.

The behavior of false stalking syndrome appears to be limited almost exclusively to women. However, both men and women become involved in false crime reporting – usually to get revenge or to discredit the other person during a business conflict, a divorce or child custody dispute.

Understanding the dynamics of stalking is the first best thing you can do to prevent it from happening. Keep in mind that a stalking order is essentially a restraining order and it does virtually nothing to prevent violence if the stalkers intends to do harm. Not all stalkers intend to do harm. Whether you have a stalking order or not, you need to take steps to reduce the risk of being stalked. Here are some helpful suggestions if you think you could be or may be stalked.

1. End the relationship together with the help of counselor.

2. Talk to a counselor to help you make sure that you don’t send mixed messages.

3. Agree to give each other a period of time with no contact.

4. Don’t talk to mutual friends or the other person’s friends about your relationship.

5. Avoid places where the other person will be for at least 30 days.

6. Go ahead and date if you want but don’t date the other person’s friends or co-workers.

7. Get caller ID on your home phone and answer only safe numbers.

8. Get a cell phone, block your number and give the number to trusted people.

9. Document every contact and attempted contact with a time, date, witnesses and what happened.

10. Do not get into a pattern of being angry and then nice to the other person.

11. Say “no” only once, don’t let them down “easy”, reveal nothing about yourself, and say nothing else to explain or justify yourself.

12. There must be no contact of any kind under any circumstances if you think you are being stalked.

13. Mutual friends and acquaintances should not discuss the other person at all with a potential stalker.

14. Contact a qualified mental health professional if you believe you are at risk or if you are being stalked.

15. If you have a stalking order against someone, then you should never place yourself in proximity to that person or engage in anything that could be considered proximity seeking behavior.

16. Do not give the person any reason to think about you, talk about you to anyone or by going places where they routinely go as part of their life.

Dr. Conner is a Clinical Psychologist. His degree is like a Ph.D. only it is more applied and is usually achieved without writing or defending a Doctoral Thesis. They rarely do theoretical research or teach psychology in University. They are strictly clinicians and as well trained as Ph.D. clinicians.

jonsblond's avatar

I had a neighbor that stalked me for a short time. He would leave gifts at the door and run back to his house. I received a camera and bicycle, to name a few items. I knocked on his door immediately after he left something one day and he wouldn’t answer. It was very creepy. I started locking the doors during the day after he started doing this. Luckily for me he has moved to Florida and I don’t need to deal with it any longer. Not attractive at all!

dpworkin's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence if I am not mistaken, if you investigate the diagnostic criteria for Munchhausen’s you will discover the word “factitious”. Just sayin’.

judochop's avatar

My daughters mother had a stalker. She ignored it. He ended up raping and killer her mother and stabbing her sister over 100 times. I think judging on this you can see where I sit with stalking.
If I ever had a stalker I think I would set a trap and break some legs.

andrew's avatar

Only if the stalker is attractive. Then it’s called “being a groupie”.

sjmc1989's avatar

@judochop Wow. That is such a sad and awful story…

john65pennington's avatar

My answer is short and to the point. stalkers are like magnets. the attraction to one person is so strong, the magnetism just takes over their body and soul for the other person. i have always thought that stalkers were victims of OCD.

Blondesjon's avatar

@john65pennington . . . Sufferers of OCD a distinguished by the fact that they do not act on their obsessive thoughts. They transfer that behavior to hand washing, light switch flipping, etc.

PandoraBoxx's avatar

A former coworker was asked out by a guy when she was a freshman in college and he was a TA. She thought the age difference was too far apart. Flash forward 7 years. She had just ended a long term relationship with her college boyfriend, and was beginning to think about dating. She ran across a magazine article about the TA, and it said he wasn’t married, and she was able to piece together that he was a friend of an acquaintance’s brother. She figured out from the article and the brother some of the guy’s routines, and kept “accidentally” bumping into him. After about the third “chance encounter” she feigned “recognizing” him from the other encounters and brought up that she knew him from college.

They have three children and live next door to his parents.

jamcanfi74's avatar

I think it would be pretty cool to be stalked by Colin Farrell
haha

cjmegatron81's avatar

It is weird and creepy. Don’t do it.

MissAusten's avatar

I’ve never been stalked (as far as I know), but the idea of it is very creepy to me. I can’t imagine a scenario where someone would be stalking me and we’d end up as friends or lovers. No way.

However, I think there’s a kind of stalking, if you can even call it stalking, that most of us do. Or maybe not and I’m potentially a crazy stalker. When I was in high school, I’d drive by the grocery store to look for this guy’s truck. If his truck was there, it meant he was working, so I’d dig up some money and go into the store to buy something. I rearranged my route to and from certain classes so I’d “accidentally” bump into him in the hallways. If I’d known where he lived, I probably would have driven by his house randomly. My friends and I used to drive past the homes of boys we had crushes on just to maybe glimpse them. There were shops at the mall we’d visit regularly because we had crushes on guys who worked there. Strangely enough, we never got anywhere with these boys. Maybe talking to them would have been more effective. Maybe they would have been creeped out to know how obsessively we planned these hopeful encounters. Being high school boys, maybe they wouldn’t have found it creepy. The kid who worked at the grocery store is a friend of mine on facebook now, and every time I see a post from him I crack up thinking about all the money I wasted at that stupid store.

But serious stalking, even if the stalker is cute, would truly bother me. It’s a violation of trust and privacy and crosses the line between just hoping to get someone’s attention and obsessively tracking a person. I mean, if I saw Brad Pitt going through my garbage or peeking in my windows I’d still call the cops. If he started hanging around the local coffee shop and trying to catch my eye, well, that’s kind of OK by me.

loser's avatar

Stalking is not the least bit attractive. It’s annoying, freaky, and completely life disrupting.

Pandora's avatar

Its only attractive when my dog does it. But even after a while I get annoyed.
For a human to do it, its desperate, pathetic,annoying,freaky and sad.
Its the sign of a person with no pride or self esteem.

Jeruba's avatar

Wait a minute, @Blondesjon. What did Cyrano do that you think was stalking?

liliesndaisies's avatar

I would feel good to be liked and pursued but I would never consider stalking as sexy.

janbb's avatar

@Jeruba I didn’t get that either. Cyrano was wooing Roxanne as a proxy, not stalking at all. Unless there’s another Cyrano de Bergerac?

oratio's avatar

@janbb He is often confused with Cyrano de Maniac, his cousin on the loony side.

janbb's avatar

@oratio Now I get it!

Kokoro's avatar

There could be any number of reasons they do this. They might be shy so they may feel that stalking satisfies a small bit of their urge to be around what interests them. When I broke up with my ex, he began stalking me on the internet. He kept messaging me through websites, e-mailed my parents and I, etc. Now the weird thing is, at first he would be venting, “I will NOT be dumped!” or “Your daughter doesn’t understand that love is unconditional!” or “If you forgive me, I’ll forgive you.” Self righteous ranting. We had an unofficial contact order on us, and he broke it by messaging me several times. This time he said things along the lines of, “I’m so sorry, I love you.”

When he realized that wasn’t working he created a fake account posing as a “brother” of his wanting to talk to me. FAIL. I put an official restraining order on him and he broke it yet again several times. My point here is, when I asked him why in the world would he stalk me around and break orders and he said, “Doesn’t that show that I don’t want to lose you?” Stalkers justify their behavior in their minds.

Violet's avatar

Stalking is not acceptable unless it is part of a planned role play (rape fetish)

yogapixie's avatar

For me, stalking is problematic. I like to frequent a local coffee house to “chill” before work in the morning. This happy, daily habit has been all but ruined because of a guy that won’t leave me alone. I feel like I’m in a fish bowl. :(

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