Social Question

davidk's avatar

To Evangelical Christians: Where in the Bible is the Holocaust prophesied?

Asked by davidk (1419points) February 28th, 2010

I have had several conversations with evangelical Christians in the recent past. In their attempt to convince me that Jesus was/is Mashiach, they site all sorts of verses from what they call the “Old Testament.”

I am an atheist of Jewish heritage, but I’m not ignorant of what you refer to as the “Old Testament.” In fact, I have studied it thoroughly. I have read and studied the “New Testament” as well, and find the teachings of Jesus fascinating and enlightening in their social and political implications.

To me, the Holocaust is an insurmountable obstacle to putting any stock in the veracity of “Old or New Testament” prophecies. Nowhere in the Bible is the most tragic and horrid event in the history of the Jewish people prophesied! No matter how you stretch and shoe-horn the “Old Testament” to prophesy the birth of Jesus and portray him as “The Messiah,” the fact remains: those same Bible prophets missed the details of largest negative event in the history of my people!

You have asked me to “Test the Scriptures.” OK, I have. Prove to me that I haven’t found them wanting.

Observing members: 0 Composing members: 0

12 Answers

DarkScribe's avatar

Why do you assume that the Bible is supposed to be a fortune telling device? In fact it admonishes against such things. God apparently doesn’t like soothsayers (among the many other prejudices and bias he collects.)

Ria777's avatar

@davidk: christians have two thousand years of experience in interpreting the Bible in the way that they see fit. though I agree with the spirit behind your question, you won’t win.

kevbo's avatar

Duh, it’s in the Bible Code.

davidk's avatar

@DarkScribe
I don’t “believe that the Bible is supposed to be a fortune telling device,” evangelical Christians do. On the other hand, you are certainly aware that the Bible contains books brimming with “God sanctioned” to prophecy.

@kevbo Why even bother to answer the question, if your intent is just to be a smart ass.

Ria777's avatar

@davidk: given that @kevbo mentioned numerology in his interests, I don’t think he meant that as a joke.

kevbo's avatar

@davidk, don’t work yourself into a lather so quickly. You have to pace yourself.

(It was a tongue in cheek comment, and jokes are less funny when you have to explain them.)

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

These are but a few of the verses that are used to claim prediction of the Holocaust. They should be read in context and are only meant as starting points.

“The prophet Daniel was shown visions of “the distant future” (Dan. 8:26),

“what will happen to your people [the Jews] in the future” (Dan. 10:14)

“But it shall come about, if you do not obey the LORD your God…the LORD will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth”
Deut. 28:15, 64

“God’s people will be helpless in his hands for three and a half years”
Dan. 7:25

“And you will be a horror, a byword, and a jeer among all the peoples to which Jehovah will drive you.”
Deut. 28:37

“For then shall be great tribulation” – Matt. 24:21

“great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people…led away captive into all nations”
Luke 21:23–24 KJV

Others will use these same verses to proclaim the end of the world, or the foreknowledge of Christ’s return.

Personally, I believe that Christians generally have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about. Not all of them mind you, but most haven’t bothered to even read the Bible much less study it against history and then refer to the original Greek to ensure a proper translation with context of meaning. At face value, they could all be interpreted pretty much any way a person wanted to support their particular cause.

Judi's avatar

Isaiah 53 is considered by Christians to be a prophesy about Jesus, but some say it is also a prophesy of the hollocoust. I’m on my iPhone so it’s hard to cut and paste. Look it up though and you will see what I mean.

thriftymaid's avatar

I don’t know why you address this question specifically to evangelicals, but a study of the Old Testment will tell you that the Jews have been on God’s good side, then bad, throughout history.

davidk's avatar

@thriftymaid
“I don’t know why you address this question specifically to evangelicals…”
Please read the explanation portion that comes after the summary of the question. It answers your question in the first sentence.

davidk's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies
Of course you are correct in saying that none of these verses apply to the Holocaust.
@Judi
The same applies to Isaiah 53. I’ve heard this incredible stretch before. Those Christians who go out of their way to show how “precise” these Old Testament prophecies were regarding their fulfillment in the person of Jesus, have nothing so precise in Isaiah 53.

observer3's avatar

that’s easy:Psalm 102…check out Israel in Crisis, by David Dolan, pgs. 31–42

Answer this question

Login

or

Join

to answer.
Your answer will be saved while you login or join.

Have a question? Ask Fluther!

What do you know more about?
or
Knowledge Networking @ Fluther