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Floridian residents, did you know that the state aid budget for libraries is zeroed (seriously $0) for next year?

Asked by coogan (687points) March 15th, 2010

From 2000–2007, the typical state aid budget was around $30 million. Then it was reduced to about $22 million, which was the lowest amount needed to receive federal aid, an additional $8 million. This news came less than a week ago. With no time to collaborate with other libraries and at least consolidate, some of these libraries (with up to 50% of their budgets comprising of state/federal aid) will surely close. What repercussions do you believe this will have on Floridian residents?

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malevolentbutticklish's avatar

This is terrific. Floridian residents should determine their library needs on a county or city basis. There is no reason for the state to be micromanaging this.

ragingloli's avatar

Another example of US governments trying to save money in all the wrong places. And you wonder why the US is trailing behind in education.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@ragingloli: If the US is trailing behind in education because they don’t spend enough money then why do school systems such as Detroit and Washington DC perform so poorly? I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Trillian's avatar

Unbelievable. And a shame.

ragingloli's avatar

It is not only how much you spend, but how you spend it. Your system has a whole lot of problems, like NCLB, religious fundamentalists and nutty “my kid is a princess”-parents corrupting the curriculum and teaching effectiveness, insufficient teachers, outdated teaching methods, insufficiently trained and motivated teachers, the last three points being because of insufficient funding.
And now this. All this shows that the US does not give a damn about education.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@ragingloli: Wouldn’t removing illegal aliens and their children from the system in CA alone in a single year save enough money to pay for this library program for the next 500 years? (or 10 years for all 50 states or all 50 states FOREVER if invested at 10% apr?)

ragingloli's avatar

@ragingloli
Considering the lost revenue (VAT on purchased goods and services) from illegal immigrants and their children when they grow up and become American citizen (VAT plus income taxes)....
Probably not.

lilikoi's avatar

Our state is going in the same direction.

I love my libraries. It is the best thing taxes buy except maybe for schools.

At what point will it be legally justifiable to stop paying taxes I wonder?

If it is not being used for libraries or schools, it is not being used wisely.

netgrrl's avatar

I’m afraid the libraries across the country are going the way of the dinosaur, like newspapers.

edmann13's avatar

Well I guess I’m not getting that librarian job I applied for…

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@ragingloli: Your answer is factually incorrect. Removing illegal aliens and their children from the system in CA alone for a single year would save enough money to pay for this library program for the next 500 years.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@edmann13: Consider applying for a private-sector job. There are plenty of private-sector book jobs. Book stores, book mailers, book authors, book reviewers, book printers, book binders, audio-book readers, book publicists, and so an and so forth.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@netgrrl: This is correct. However, the government is horrible for trying to keep people from progressing.

ragingloli's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish
Nope.
People like you constantly and consistently ignore other factors that play into the equation.
Like the following factors:
– illegal immigrants will purchase goods and services, thus bolster the economy, generate tax revenue via corporate taxes the companies they buy from pay and via VAT they pay with the products and services they purchase
– the children of those immigrants, when properly educated and turned into cititzens, will get higher paying jobs, thus pay more in income tax, purchase more and more expensive goods and services and generate more tax revenue that way as well
– NOT educating the children will make them unfit for any well paying job in the future and will quarantee them to become a drain on financial resources.
– NOT educating the children will also severely increase the probability that they will turn towards a carreer in crime when they grow up, causing financial and material damage as well as loss of life and will cause high costs in the field of law enforcement.

curtesy of

Your claim that ”Removing illegal aliens and their children from the system in CA alone for a single year would save enough money to pay for this library program for the next 500 years.
is based on a simplistic and incomplete equation that ignores almost all important issues, and is thus, by all accounts, unsustainable.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

Isn’t this a problem for Mexico? Why accept Mexico’s problems?:

โ€“ NOT educating the children will make them unfit for any well paying job in the future and will quarantee them to become a drain on financial resources.
โ€“ NOT educating the children will also severely increase the probability that they will turn towards a carreer in crime when they grow up, causing financial and material damage as well as loss of life and will cause high costs in the field of law enforcement.

ragingloli's avatar

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@ragingloli: Honestly! Do you believe this was directed at legal immigrants or illegal criminals?

edmann13's avatar

So everyone that came to the US, under whatever pretense, children who didn’t know any better, people seeking better lives for their families, and the like, they’re all criminals?

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@edmann13: Legal aliens who went through the naturalization process are not criminals (at least not for immigration reasons). Yes, illegal aliens are criminals.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@ragingloli: I normally don’t call people an idiot but you might feel like one after you realize “I lift my lamp beside the golden door” refers to the Ellis Island Statue of Liberty where LEGAL immigrants previously were processed.

ragingloli's avatar

but you might feel like one
No, not really, no. I do however facepalm at you implying that a poetic use of words somehow is a specific reference to a definite legal modality รก la “only if you come through this island, otherwise you can go fuck yourself”.

Even if it were the case, just send them there to be processed. Problem solved. New taxpaying citizens acquired.

edmann13's avatar

Wow. Calling people an idiot now?

First off, breaking civil law doesn’t make you a criminal. Not anymore than failing to appear in court for a traffic violation. Or failing to pay your child support.

Breaking criminal law makes you a criminal.

Now what makes you an idiot, is calling people names in what is to be a civilized public forum. It’s just tacky and irresponsible.

I don’t think anyone needs to point out your narrow-mindedness, you seem to have that part covered.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@edmann13 @ragingloli

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

ragingloli's avatar

You are not really claiming that “I lift my lamp beside the golden door!โ€ references that law, are you?

edmann13's avatar

Thats border jumpers. What about vacationers over staying?

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@edmann13: Negligence can be criminal. I had a girl staying with me and she “missed” her plane back to France. She was actually at the airport almost two hours before her plane left but they said she was required to be there three hours prior. She is not allowed back in the USA for this.

davidbetterman's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish Are you still trolling these waters? You are too funny. I can’t believe @ragingloli really engages you in your futile banter.

edmann13's avatar

@davidbetterman Wish I’d have been warned.

davidbetterman's avatar

@edmann13 It is so obvious. Even the clown’s user ID is a tip-off.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@davidbetterman: Of course this is a better strategy for you than attempting to stand on the merits of your argument.

CMaz's avatar

Another “wonderful” spin-off, created by the internet.

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