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ETpro's avatar

How many right-wing militia soldiers are out there?

Asked by ETpro (34472points) March 29th, 2010

9 members of a Right-Wing Christian Militia were charged today with plotting to kill law enforcement officers then use IEDs to bomb the funeral procession. They hoped this would touch off a revolution and overthrow existing government.

The group, identified as the Hutaree was well armed and trained regularly to fight alongside Jesus against the armies of Satan. Their Website seems to now be down.

Counting groups like the Christian Militias, KKK, Skinheads and all, how many people in the USA are just waiting for the opportune moment to pick up arms and attempt to shape the politics of the USA by violent means?

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malevolentbutticklish's avatar

“Counting groups like the Christian Militias, KKK, Skinheads and all,” <== If ALL includes Muslims then the answer is millions.

ragingloli's avatar

Militia….
You know, if they were Muslim they would be called “terrorist groups”.
But hey, they are Christians, so the can not be terrorists, right?

davidbetterman's avatar

The Beatles did a song or two about these kinds of morons. Black Bird and Helter Skeleter

jfos's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish Do you mean that all Muslims are militia soldiers or that there are a lot of Muslim militia groups?

ETpro's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish Forgive my not being more specific. I meant groups within the USA. I went back and edited the question to reflect that while there was still time. So yes, all religions count, and if there are Atheist Militias out there they count too.

jaytkay's avatar

If that’s a suggestion up there that millions of muslims in the US are on the verge of violence – LOL.

Regardless:

“The number of extremist groups in the United States exploded in 2009 as militias and other groups steeped in wild, antigovernment conspiracy theories exploited populist anger across the country and infiltrated the mainstream, according to a report issued today by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)...

”...three strands of the radical right – the hate groups, the nativist extremist groups, and the Patriot organizations – are the most volatile elements on the American political landscape. Taken together, their numbers increased by more than 40 percent, rising from 1,248 groups in 2008 to 1,753 last year…”

03/02/2010 – New SPLC Report: ‘Patriot’ Groups, Militias Surge in Number in Past Year

syz's avatar

<== If ALL includes Muslims then the answer is millions. Am I misunderstanding your post or are you truly that racist?

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@ETpro: Thank you very much for posting that you edited the question. Several times I have pointed something out and the “response” was to go back and edited previous postings. A few times people even edited what they said and then lied about it. I have always been tempted to ask what is 2+3 and then after I get a few answers go back and edit the question to what is 2+2 to illustrate this.

davidbetterman's avatar

Now that you have changed your question, there are not so many as you might think.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@syz: Is @ETPro “that racist” because he talks about “Christian Militia” which are predominantly white? I don’t think @ETPro is racist. I believe you are unwilling to look objectively at the facts.

syz's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish I didn’t ask about ETpro. I’m asking you. Do you believe that all Muslims are extremists or terrorists?

mammal's avatar

Doubt they have the suicidal convictions of a Jihadist, inane scum.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@syz: Millions are. Not one or two. MILLIONS. Consider Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says the Holocaust never occurred, gays should be put do death, that Israel should be wiped off the map, and that America is the great Satan. These are pretty extremist views yet millions of Muslims voted for him. This is just one example which already places us at the millions mark.

davidbetterman's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish You are full of your malevolent butt stuff again…

jfos's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish I don’t think any of us know how many people voted for Ahmedinejad because of all the election fraud scandal. As far as using his position in power as support for the claim that millions of Muslims are extremists/terrorists, that’s ridiculous.

cockswain's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish The question is now about the US, compared to your first answer. So, how many violent extremists are in the US in your opinion? Could you also provide your number with muslims subtracted?

CaptainHarley's avatar

@jaytkay

I hardly consider The Southern Poverty Law Center an unbiased source. Like they have no ax to grind?

jfos's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish Do you think all of Bill Clinton’s supporters voted for him to get a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky?

On a separate note, Ahmedinejad supporters are not extremists/terrorists, they’re just misguided and misinformed.

mammal's avatar

The point is American foreign policy is extreme, violently opposed to any country that isn’t susceptible to it’s influence, the home grown extremists are quite ineffective and nondescript in comparison.

DarkScribe's avatar

the Hutaree was well armed and trained regularly to fight alongside Jesus

I think that this might come as a surprise to Jesus.

syzygy2600's avatar

for christs sake enough this racism shit, no one said all muslims are terrorists, no one is supporting these groups, people of all colors, creeds, and races form terrorist/militia groups. In fact the question shows a bias by only asking about “right-wing militia soldiers” – implying that any member of a militia group must be right-wing.

jaytkay's avatar

@CaptainHarley Explain how you think the SPLC is wrong. They got their facts wrong?

CaptainHarley's avatar

Another thing to keep in mind is that not all groups labelled as “extreme right-wing” are, in fact, either “extreme” or very right wing. Most of the reporters and commentators in the national media are, in fact, very left-biased, ( having been educated by professors who joined academia as a way to escape the Draft during Vietnam! ) and tend to report the news through the lense of their own prejudices. This leads to many groups which are relatively innocuous being labelled as “right-wing extremists.” For example, the National Rifle Association, of which I am a Life Member, has been repeatedly portrayed in the media as “extreme right wing.” In fact, if I recall correctly, the Southern Poverty Law Center has attempted to pin this label on them.

jaytkay's avatar

In fact, if I recall correctly, the Southern Poverty Law Center has attempted to pin this label on them.

Or you could make an effort to look it up.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jfos: If you say you are not an extremist but you fund and vote for extremist then what you really mean is that you are an extremist but prefer someone else carry out your dirty work. As far as how many voted for him no one knows just as know one knows exactly in US elections. The margin of error is MUCH higher in Iran than the USA (where it is quite low) but the answer is still clearly in the millions.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@jaytkay

It’s largely a matter of indifference to me, so I can withdraw the statement if it bothers you. : )

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jaytkay: Why would @CaptainHarley bother looking this up? I also support the NRA and I also have heard NRA members referred to as “nuts”, etc. If you doubt some fact you can stick your neck out and say so but if you know a fact to be true why just go around and pester people to look things up?

Strauss's avatar

One side’s terrorist is the other side’s freedom fighter.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jfos: You could say that all extremist are “misguided” but nonetheless they are extremists.

jfos's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish Margins of error aside, it is my belief that Ahmedinejad is in power illegitimately.

CaptainHarley's avatar

“Extremeism in the defense of freedom is no vice.” : D

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@Yetanotheruser: Muslims don’t fight for freedom. They fight to impose restrictions on freedom on others… Sharia.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jfos: Ahmedinejad is in power illegitimately AND millions of Muslims voted for and continue to support him. These facts are not mutually exclusive.

jaytkay's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish
A lot of people vote and act based on false rumors and fears. I have low tolerance for unfounded allegations and misinformation.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@jaytkay

LMAO! Then why is that not reflected in your posts??

jfos's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not necessarily a square. On the same token, the people who fight for Sharia are Muslims but not all Muslims fight for Sharia.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jfos: I didn’t say all. I said MILLIONS and I stick by that number.

jaytkay's avatar

the question shows a bias by only asking about “right-wing militia soldiers” – implying that any member of a militia group must be right-wing.

Ahh, yes. Who can forget PETA’s bombing of the Oklahoma Federal building. ACORN’s killing of guards at the holocaust museum. The ACLU “cop killer in Pittsburgh. The Unitarian-Universalist shooting up a church service in Tennessee…

jaytkay's avatar

@CaptainHarley LMAO! Then why is that not reflected in your posts??

Are you referring to something specific?

jfos's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish I don’t mean to nitpick, but you didn’t say millions. You said, ”Muslims don’t fight for freedom. They fight to impose restrictions on freedom on others…

ragingloli's avatar

“Muslims don’t fight for freedom. They fight to impose restrictions on freedom on others… Sharia.”
And christian fundamentalists do not?
Christians were partly responsible for the law that made homosexual acts punisheable by death.
They want to make abortion illegal.
They oppose homosexual marriage.
Some christian political leaders excluded sexual orientation from antidiscrimination laws.
Etc.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jfos: @ragingloli: What Muslims fight for is a major difference from the Militia which generally want less restrictions and less government (MORE FREEDOM) fight for. There are a few restrictions some Militia may want but generally they are a drop in the bucket compared to the restrictions Muslims request and generally are fewer restrictions than we have today. Even on the gay-type issues Christians oppose it but Muslims want to cut heads off, stone people to death, etc.

davidbetterman's avatar

I doubt very seriously that the buttlick is a muslim, and I also doubt seriously that he has a clue to why they are fighting.

CaptainHarley's avatar

BTW… contrary to what the politically correct would have everyone believe, the KKK and many other extremist groups are NOT “right-wing.” This is just a thinly disguised attempt by groups like the SPLC and other far left organizations to tar all right-wing groups as “extremist.”

ragingloli's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish
Uganda is predominantly christian. And their extremism in oppression is not less than in muslim countries.
And then there are these guys
The only reason why the majority of christians in the western world is not as extreme is solely because of secular enlightenment.

jaytkay's avatar

the KKK and many other extremist groups are NOT “right-wing.”

LOL. That’s funny. Good one.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jaytkay: It was in fact the Republicans who freed the slaves. Republicans and the right wing have a long history of being for equal rights. Democrats to this day promote race-based rights such as affirmative action.

jaytkay's avatar

@malevolentbutticklish

Changing the subject, as usual. Focus, man, you really need to learn focus!

ragingloli's avatar

because party ideologies stay the same for ever

“Founded by L.Ron Hubbard in the 6th Century B.C., the Republican Party, now associated with conservatism, was once the party of civil rights, freedom, and ferret-legging, but is now marked by syphilis, racism, oppression, room-temperature ranch dressing and pedophilia. The party’s downfall occurred when their failed attempts at cloning Hitler resulted in the birth of Sonny Bono. Others believe it was due to the satanic rituals they performed to summon Richard Nixon onto the earth. However, the most likely explanation is that the party was gradually infiltrated and usurped by a reptilian race from another dimension. Some say that Raptor Jesus created them for the lulz. Regardless, Republicans now stand for everything .their party used to pretend to hate.”

FutureMemory's avatar

@CaptainHarley “Extremeism in the defense of freedom is no vice.” : D

I’m wondering if you’re quoting Barry Goldwater, or General Thade from the new Planet of the Apes movie.

davidbetterman's avatar

The Republican Party is now marked by syphilis, racism, oppression, room-temperature ranch dressing and pedophilia.”

Figures the butt lick guy is pushing it so hard…

syzygy2600's avatar

@jaytkay are you really trying to tell me that Timothy McVey represented the right wing? He was anti-government, which is pretty much the opposite of right wing.

jaytkay's avatar

@syzygy2600 I’ll leave it to you to explain how Tim McVeigh is a leftist. To be thorough, you should also cover Ronald “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” Reagan.

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@jaytkay: Is everyone either right wing or left wing? There is no other choice? How about a goldfish… is it right wing because I cannot prove it is left wing?

malevolentbutticklish's avatar

@ragingloli: “room-temperature ranch dressing and pedophilia” <== Your statement is pretty much nonsense but Muslims actual do follow the pedophile Muhammad.

ragingloli's avatar

” Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:16–18)”

breedmitch's avatar

I’m sure lots of NRA members and klansmen vote Democrat~

FutureMemory's avatar

About Timothy McVeigh..

He was inspired to bomb the FBI building in ‘95 from reading The Turner Diaries (a book I have read). In it there is a bombing scenario that is very similar to what happened in OK, so much so it reads almost as an instructional guide that he followed almost to the letter. Who wrote this book that inspired/instructed him? William Pierce, a full on racist white power piece of shit.

From his wikipedia entry:

William Luther Pierce III (September 11, 1933 – July 23, 2002) was the leader of the white separatist National Alliance organization, and a principal ideologue of the white nationalist movement. First educated as a physicist, he later worked with George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party. He achieved notoriety as the author of the novels, The Turner Diaries and Hunter, which were written under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald and published under the aegis of National Vanguard Books. He is also the founder of “Cosmotheism”, a religion which is based on White Racialism, pantheism, eugenics, and national socialism.

Ria777's avatar

shortly after the WTO riots came out, I remember SPCL has also covered leftist groups and made them out as much more scary and radical than in reality.

ETpro's avatar

So, returning to the topic, does anyone have an answer that they can doccument and that shows the SPLC estimate to be wildly inaccurate? They do seem to have actually counted the number of identifiable groups out there.

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