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Which would be the bigger miracle, Consciousness arising from Non-Consciousness, OR Consciousness arising from Eternal Consciousness?

Asked by RealEyesRealizeRealLies (30951points) August 7th, 2010

You know what’s funny? You’re an Atheist because you don’t believe in miracles, and I’m a Theist because I don’t believe in miracles.

This is not a religious argument. This is a philosophical argument. Try your best to leave religious prejudice out of this discussion please.

For me, that would be a pretty miraculous feat if conscious awareness arose from non consciousness, basically, a mind sprang forth from a rock? I don’t buy it. Yes yes I know the common answer that it took millions of years and all that. But it still requires us to believe that mind comes from mindlessness nonetheless. And millions of years is a blink of an eye in eternity.

Doesn’t the Atheist mock the Theist for believing in an illogical God being? The first Q to them being “Then what created god?” seems just as illogical to me, for it assumes that an Eternal Conscious Agent (ECA) must fit within our limited perceptions of space/time. I don’t believe in that god either.

In fact it wouldn’t be an ECA if it was created.

Please don’t lock this discussion up with a tribute to the antiquated complexity argument without referring to a single proven mechanism that can account for it creating mindful thought, literally out of thin air. That would be an utter miracle breaking all natural law. It would be super natural.

I propose that if there is an ECA, then it is perfectly natural for that being to exist.

Which would be the bigger miracle, Consciousness arising from Non-Consciousness, OR Consciousness arising from Eternal Consciousness?

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