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Where is the convergence of Truth?

Asked by prolificus (6552points) September 16th, 2010 from iPhone

It seems like almost everyone has their own interpretation of life, religion, and understanding of various philosophies and sciences. I know in the academic world, convergence comes from theorizing, collecting lots of opposing and supporting references, gathering new data (field research, etc.), synthesizing information, proving or disproving findings, and subjecting outcomes to peer review.

In real life, in the collective of universal knowledge and the diversity of it all, where does one find the center point of Truth? Does it exist? How do we define it? What does it look like?

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SundayKittens's avatar

That’s difficult, so much of life is gray area. I’ve recently wondered this myself. GQ.

I think life and death are the only places where truths converge. Everything else…gray.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

Perhaps the convergence occurs in the voting process. The synthesis of opposing sides is tested and a winner emerges. Then convergence is tested in the legislative process. Ideas are expressed and become bills and are subjected to much haggling and may or may not become law.

I think what I’m trying to say is that with so many people and so many differrig viewpoints and standards, perhaps it is in the democratic process that we experience convergence.

diavolobella's avatar

At the intersection of knowledge and acceptance.

SundayKittens's avatar

Hmmm…maybe I read this all wrong…

muppetish's avatar

A friend of mine bequeathed me all his old journals a couple years ago. Written on one of the pages with a thick, black sharpie, was: “WHAT IS THE AXIOM?”

He still doesn’t know. I still don’t know.

gondwanalon's avatar

Truth hovers just outsde our live of vision and quckly fades as we dare to look for it. We suffer as we are never content with any result or answer from our constant seach for the truth. Yet each of us would recongnize truth if it were to appear on the horizon. For it is the answer to our dreams.

AmWiser's avatar

Everyone’s beliefs are their own. I feel we believe what is comfortable for us to comprehend, and which is why we all don’t believe the same thing. Whose to say what the absolute truth is without given divine understanding (IMO).

crazyivan's avatar

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I, too, have wrestled with this question.

Scooby's avatar

There’s nothing further from the truth than the truth, truth in reality is what we as individuals perceive it to be, based on our own knowledge & understanding of what we accept to be true…. Some of our truths are closer to the truth rather than actually being the truth, some of them are just way off the mark, so nothing is further from the truth than the truth IMO. Does truth truthfully exist, truly? :-/

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

I’m sorry, @Scooby, but that’s just drivel, in my opinion. How on earth can truth be the furthest thing from truth? That simply doesn’t make sense. You seem to be trying to say that truth may be relative or subjective, which has some value, but the way you went about saying it just doesn’t add up for me. Is there some way you could clarify?

crazyivan's avatar

@hawaii_jake couldn’t agree more with the critique. I would go one step further and say that there can be no relativity in truth. Otherwise it would not be truth…

phoebusg's avatar

So far the thread has more confusion but it is to be expected. This will be a big block, fetch your reading glasses.

In the pursuit for truth we have to be aware of all the layers there are between us, and the world. Our senses with their limitations(bio-physchem), our perception with its trained limitations (the more you know, the more you see paradigm) – our thought mediators (language, previous axioms). Since this is a written discussion and we do not yet have the technology to plug into a collective intelligence with minds purely sharing ideas, with their full form and number of characteristics, we are stuck with language. In itself, each language, or the ability as a whole is problematic – for you can’t pick one idea with its thousands of connections and specifics and plant it in another brain. Each time you express something you make your best guess as to which are required to make this make sense in another mind. And then only include that, which is often the biggest mistake (as people find out in academia) – how did you get to that position/result/paradigm? In short, got to be aware of those things and give more context than each personally deems necessary. If people are missing premises, they will never get why something may be true, or not.

This introduction will make sense very soon. I definitely think that the whole truth exists, but it’s something that is out there—and we can only see fragments of it. We do, however, see those fragments, and nearly most of our statements have percentages of truth in them. That gives them value and credibility, but we know that they’re not perfect. They are, however, functional – as in you can test and retest gravity. The current formulation of the gravity law is a functional one but not a holistic one, as in it does not explain how gravity arises, but it does predict how it behaves to a great detail (up to a limit). So is it false or true? It’s true because it predicts, and proves true through every calculation (sending satellites out etc). Can it be improved to be more holistic and connected with the world (aka truth) – yes. Furthermore once it is expanded (like chemistry being expanded by quantum physics) – it becomes more useful, and true-er.

I could go on with alternate examples but the reality of the matter is quite simple. The whole universe is the whole truth. The whole universe is a complex system that is connected, having effects in flux throughout itself – that constantly changes it. Increasing our understanding of it, increases our understanding of the truth. But we’re not sure – about which parts of some of our axioms/statements we should get rid of or improve. So for the time being, truth is only somewhat relativistic – and better formulated as a truth. Because it’s a fragmented understanding of the universe- existing on it’s own and in an alien to the universe form—usually static instead of dynamic (everything in the universe is in constant flux, but that’s impossible for us to grasp).

That’s all for now!
Needless to say Great Question :)

wundayatta's avatar

I can’t imagine that a convergence of truth is possible. I don’t understand why it would be desirable, either. I don’t even really know what you’re asking about, because I don’t know what you mean by “truth.” From your use of convergence, it sounds like truth is some kind of consensus.

I can’t propose a definition of truth (nor do I care to). I’m pretty sure there is no objective truth. I seriously doubt that subjective truths would ever converge. People are too fractious for that, and perception is too unreliable for anyone to be able to correlate their point of view with anyone else’s at a sufficient fine level of granularity to be able to make any useful conclusions.

The convergence of truth, then, is in the heads of those who conceive of it. Nowhere else.

ETpro's avatar

To tell you the truth, I don’t know.

We are still waiting for a Grand Unification Theory that hold water.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Not in this q, that’s for sure.

Scooby's avatar

@hawaii_jake

Drivel, granted you are entitled to your opinion.. Maybe try reading it again, it should become quite clear, it makes sense, your just not being very perceptive.. :-/ my truth might not be the same as yours, you just proved my point, thanks….
BTW great Answer @phoebusg

crazyivan's avatar

@scooby I think you’re patting yourself on the back a bit too much there. Your response was cryptic nonsense, afterall. Don’t fault Hawaii Jake for pointing it out.

Scooby's avatar

@crazyivan

Whatever, Lol…. ;-)

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