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nocountry2's avatar

Do you think, if Barak is nominated, he'll take Hillary as a running mate?

Asked by nocountry2 (3684points) March 28th, 2008 from iPhone

Also, if he is elected President, how likely do you think it is that he will be assasinated?

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gooch's avatar

No he will not and if he would I think she would refuse. If he were elected he would no be killed.

sfgirl's avatar

After all the bickering, I seriously doubt it. An d I agree with @gooch, she probably wouldn’t consider taking a VP nod…#1 or nothing…;-)

simone54's avatar

Why the hell would you think he would be assassinated? Just because he is black??

nocountry2's avatar

First of all, to me it seems like it’d be the “dream ticket” for the Dems – the first black man and woman together on one ticket, covering so many demographics and possibly a shoo-in. And I think the pattern in history is that whenever an inspiring, revolutionary leader is put in an office of world-changing power, they get assassinated (Lincoln, JFK) – and Lord knows how many hillbilly wackos/government conspirators would love to off him. I think if was elected and assassinated, it would create a huge uproar…maybe the next revolution? I don’t know, I’m just asking what others think.

fortris's avatar

Very likely, lots of rednecks with guns.

Riser's avatar

Fortris… I resent your comment as my dad owns several guns and is not a… actually you’re right. :P

gooch's avatar

What’s wrong with rednecks they are people too. Shouldn’t we be more accepting of all people.

Riser's avatar

@Gooch: Of course. I love my dad and respect him deeply.

The truth is Obama and Hillary can’t be running mates. They will polarize the party and I agree, if Obama were assassinated this nation will be in a state of dramatic revolution.

blippio's avatar

hey fortris! We agree on something

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hossman's avatar

If he did, he would lose credibility with a lot of people. How do you say somebody is unfit to be President for years, then say they are fit to be President if you die?

Assassinating Obama would not lead to a revolution. A crisis, but no one is going to start a revolution over it. If for no other reason than not enough Americans own weapons to get anything started.

gooch's avatar

Well I for one am voting Republican not voting for Obama but if he were elected to be my President I would support him as any American should support their President whomever they may be. I have many guns and might add that I am quite good with them and would never think of attacking my leader.I am a Desert Storm Veteran and I am an American who will back my country and its leader.

susanc's avatar

Good, hossman is back. What a relief.
So right, how can Barack (we’re on speaking terms, in my dreams) invite a person he says is unfit for this office to take it on in his absence? That’d be ridiculous and he is not that.
I don’t think we need to talk about rednecks/not-rednecks. People with many colors of neck shoot people. I’d like to think that Senator Obama would continue to speak to us as if we were adults, if elected President, and lure us into behaving like adults, whatever colors our necks are.

fortris's avatar

Dude, I was joking. 14-year olds don’t take politics too seriously. But since you have interested me I will give you my honest opinion.

I do not think Obama would have Hillary as his running mate just because they seem to differ on most of the issues (search “I’m completely ignorant, what is the difference between Hillary and Obama?” and read delierum’s long answer). As to him being assassinated, I do think there is a likely chance simply because of his name, a lot of people in this country are paranoid of “terrorists”. Some racist who thinks that he’s a terrorist will probably try to kill him, whether he will succeed (which he most likely mont, due to the sheer security we give presidents, but then again, look at JFK) I do not know.

HAPPY?

mirza's avatar

I don’t think he will. As everyone else said, it would contradict his views if he had Hilary as a VP. Theres a rumor going on that he might have Mayor Bloomberg as his VP and I think Bloomberg would be the perfect pick since Bloomberg would be able to bring in all the big states and is also a well respected person (similar to the way Johnson was able to bring in the Souther states for Kennedy).

As for security, I highly doubt if its possible to shoot down the president of this county. A lot of things that changed since the 1960s. If the security in an airport is so tight, just imagine how much security they might have on the President.

Quick question: Who do you think shot Kennedy and Why ? (I mean the real people behind the shooting not Lee Harvey Oswald)

fortris's avatar

Someone in the window that lee harvey supposedly was in

Cooldil17's avatar

I personally cannot stand Barrack Obama because of his Rev. and just his rhetoric, there have been many death threats against barrack so I think he would be or attempts would be made to assassinate him.

GO HILARY!

mirza's avatar

@cooldil7: there have been a lot more death threats on George Bush and I can assure you that more people hate bush than obama . And yet he is still alive.

fortris's avatar

Thats cuz he’s only president for a few more months, and when you add racism it becomes more of a threat.

Cooldil17's avatar

@miza: Bush has the best security team in the US, obama doesn’t
take a look at this:
As in the case of the late Robert F. Kennedy it turns out that Barack Obama is not being provided with competent security. It appears that the Secret Service is breaking every rule in the book to assure that Senator Obama is placed in dire circumstances.

This from the Star-Telegram:

DALLAS—Security details at Barack Obama’s rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.

Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department’s homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order—apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service—was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena’s vacant seats before Obama came on.

“Sure,” said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a “friendly crowd.”

The Secret Service did not return a call from the Star-Telegram seeking comment.

Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour security officers scanned each person who came in and checked their belongings in a process that kept movement of the long lines at a crawl. Then, about 11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without being checked.

Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the arena was packed with people who got in without even a cursory inspection.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event.

“How can you not be concerned in this day and age,” said one policeman.

JACK DOUGLAS Jr., 817–390-7700
jld@star-telegram.com

The Goal: Assassination Would Cause Disaffection With Political Process

It is simply amazing in the age of alleged U.S. Al-Qaeda sleeper cells that the Secret Service would allow thousands of people who had never been inspected to simply walk into close proximity of the man who will likely be the next U.S. President! All it takes is a grenade or a hand held automatic weapon to change American, and world history, and those in charge of preventing such a disaster are instead enabling potential assassins, and terrorist.

This is an outrage!

This so called oversight by the Secret Service is obviously the result of a plan, which was carried out upon the orders of operatives very highly placed within the U.S. government. It is clear that Senator Barack Obama’s life is in grave danger, and that those in charge of protecting him are instead setting him up for an early demise..

trainerboy's avatar

Where is the racism coming from? Is it possible that it is coming from people who are trying to polarize this country and stereotype anyone who disagrees with Obama as racist? Blacks can be racist as well and the fact that 80–90% of them vote Democratic, why isn’t there conceern that a black racist would kill any white person running against Barack? Or is that inconceivable?
I don’t believe Barack would ask Hillary to be VP. She wants to be President no matter who is elected so if she were VP, I believe he knows she would try to upstage him every chance she would get.

Cooldil17's avatar

Obama and Rev. White are both extremely racist, just read this:
resident Obama. By Michael Reisig

Well, having observed the progress of the Democrat and Republican Primaries I would have to say at this point, America is probably close to electing Barak Hussein Obama as its next president. I understand the need for change – but for all my observation of Obama I have yet to hear any decisive, detailed plans – it all seems to be continual rhetoric on the concept of change. It’s all rather a puzzlement to me, and more than anything I think this phenomena is representative of the new Survivor/ Oprah Winfrey/ American Idol consciousness (where the bizarre is applauded as reality and image is more important than substance), and it is undoubtedly brought about by the overwhelming dissatisfaction Americans have for a government that has cheated, lied and stolen from them for at least the last two generations. But for minorities, and in particular blacks, this election represents a moment of long-awaited validation. There is no question that the elec tion of an African-American president will empower the blacks of this country. Don’t misunderstand me – this is not a racist statement, this is just a fact, and in many respects this could be a good thing. But there is no denying the sense of audacious rebellion that constantly simmers in much of the black community, particularly with the youth of the large metropolitan areas. I have some concern that the election of a black president will take us back to a consciousness that promotes the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of law, and that this may divide black and whites more than uniting them. I hope that I’m wrong. Obama speaks a lot about a uniting of black and white America, but the church he has attended for years would contradict that. Although you won’t hear much of this on national television, one has but to go to Obama’s church of choice, Trinity! United Church of Christ (go to the website to check for yourself) to find, an d I quote, “An unabashedly black congregation with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. “An African people, ‘true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.” Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can you imagine if one of the other white candidates for president were a member of a church that declared itself “unashamedly white?” What would the media have done to them already? I was also startled by a number of the points in Trinity United Church’s 10-Point Vision:
*A congregation with a Non-negotiable Commitment to Africa.
*A congregation committed to Cultural Education (Africa).
*A congregation committed to the Historical Education of African People in Diaspora.
*A congregation committed to Liberation.
*A congregation committed to Restoration. (Could this mean restitution?)

In addition, Trinity’s senior pastor Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., is considered by many to be a black racist, who, without question, preaches radical Afro-centric theology. It appears, by affiliation, that we have a man who wants to be president of America while much of his loyalty is invested in black Africa. But there is also a deeper, perhaps darker consequence in terms of America and its multi-national population when we consider Mr. Obama as our new leader. Investigations have shown that Obama’s father and stepfather were devout Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama’s upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim. Obama’s mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived in Indonesia. When Obama’s mother moved to Indonesia – before she married her second Muslim husband – she enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic School. He was enrolled as a Mu slim because he was a Muslim. Obama’s campaign website has been hailed as a testament to the candidate’s transformative politics. But at least part of the senator’s online outreach, “Muslim Americans for Obama ‘08” proposes installing Muslim prayer areas in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer, and has denounced Obama’s colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish. Further troubling are the issues and solutions on this site:
1. A Law against harassment of Muslim women wearing Hijab at the Airport, DMV and other public arenas.
2. Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take an hour off from work for Friday Jummah Prayer.
3. Make the 2 Eid’s (Muslim festivals), recognized National Holidays on Calendars with days off from work.
4. Optional Halal meals in federal building, public schools and colleges
5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)
6. Organize a Muslim American group to assist in recommendations for US foreign policy affecting majority Muslim Countries. I have to wonder how many encampments of Islamic extremists hidden in the hills of Afghanistan and quiet room of Baghdad and Tehran listen to the news of America’s primary elections with unadulterated glee, considering first, that we may have a president who has virtually no experience in managing a government, or attending to military/ international affairs, and secondly; the chance (as remote as it is) of a quasi-Muslim president of the United States. Think of the possibilities.

I have sent this is almost everyone I know. If you agree with this, I hope you will do the same, or at least make sure you vote. It really scares me to think of Obama being president.

Its time we as Christians stand up and let our voices be heard. Let’s stop being the silent majority!

squirbel's avatar

Forwarded email propaganda… is that the best you have to offer?

Senator Obama is not likely to select Senator Clinton if he gets the nomination; they would not be a good working team. Dream ticket means more than symbols (black and female). A dream ticket is about getting the Democratic agenda pushed after decades of Republican prominence.

He runs a high risk of being assassinated. He is anti-corporation. He is mixed-race (automatically black, to racists and purists who believe in the one drop rule). The insurance industry will hate him. The femininsts might hate him since their starlet didn’t make it. Etc, etc.

He will have lots of enemies. As hossman said – even President Bush has lots of haters (most civilians of this country and even the world). But I still believe Senator Obama’s risk is much higher.

desberg's avatar

Politically speaking, I hope they keeping fighting and fussing until they wipe each other out.

mirza's avatar

@Cooldil17: you do realize that obama or any one who becomes President will get the same or better security that Bush has now. As for the really long propaganda mail, I didn’t even bother reading because there are tons of theories against every single one of these candidates. But since I am not trying to start an argument – So you like Hilary and theres nothing wrong with it. Just please don’t post hate speech against any candidate

Perchik's avatar

I’m going to reiterate what a lot of people have said. He will not pick Hillary, for a variety of reasons.

As far as the assassination, I think he will have a huge risk of being shot. Whether its from a racist white man, or a disgruntled black man, or if it will be the government trying to stop change, I don’t know. Barack scares the shit out of the country, because he is suggesting change with reasonable plans how to achieve it. Many people can’t handle that. They superficially want change, but as long as they can drive their SUV, listen to their iPod, and sit on their fat ass watching TV all day after work, they really don’t care. Anything that threatens that lifestyle could cause problems. I’m not saying Obama would drastically change any of that, but he is talking about a lot of change. With change comes unrest from people who are set in their ways.

It makes me sick that I think he’d be assassinated. I think he has potential to do very good things for this country which would make his death even crueler.

On the reverend Wright issue, I want you to get the fuck over it. Yes that’s vulgar, yes it’s harsh, but it needs to be said. Everyone is freaking out, but from what I heard, he didn’t say anything that was wrong. We do kinda have this thing called Freedom of Speech in this country, which allows us to pretty much say what we want. We DO have racial tension in this country. Churches [at least in the South, that’s all I know] ARE racially divided, because the groups worship differently. It’s not that you wouldn’t be allowed into a black or white church, but you would probably be uncomfortable by the style of the worship.

Get your head out of your ass and stop using Rev. Wright as an excuse to avoid thinking about the real issues.

One more note, @cooldil17, That little propaganda email doesn’t actually do much for destroying Obama’s credibility. When you write stuff like that you need to make sure that point A leads to point B which ultimately proves something. Your’s is just a rant. As for the laws regarding Muslims, I see that as a positive…not a negative? Laws that prevent people from being harassed? What’s the problem with that?

If you’re a racist please admit it, instead of trying to hide behind some stupid poor thought out argument against the guy.

squirbel's avatar

“As for the laws regarding Muslims, I see that as a positive…not a negative? Laws that prevent people from being harassed? What’s the problem with that?”

Seconded.

Riser's avatar

This is an incredible and unfortunate truth about America. We cannot expect to polarize equality and succeed at making this world a better place. One of my closest friends is Muslim and he hates the extremism found in the surrounding countries of Saudi Arabia (where he grew up) but he loves this country and votes with dignity. He is one of the most level headed individuals I have ever met. His politics are more socially liberal than mine yet he will sometimes go against his “party” because he believes the opponent is a better choice for the country, forfeiting his own agendas in order to preserve the country that he loves so dearly.

Should his rights get taken away from him I’m moving to Norway.

Regarding Jeremiah Wright, don’t use the ignorance of “sound bites” as a way to attack a candidate you already have an issue with. I am in awe of the fact that Obama’s support for Rev. Wright is a beautiful example of fairness, equality and democracy and you are attacking him for exercising these American freedoms. Rev. Wright has been taken out of context and if you would listen to his message and read the profound letter by the former University of Chicago Religious Studies Professor, Martin Marty, you would see the true character of the passionate Rev. Wright.

hossman's avatar

If Obama was assassinated, it will be by a lone gunman type, not as part of a government conspiracy. Obama does not “scare the s*(^” out of the power elite of this country, as he is part of the power elite, and they know that regardless of it being Obama, Clinton, or McCain, it will be business as usual. Slightly different variants of business as usual, slightly different varieties, but for the upper crust, nothing will change.

@mirza: Teddy had John and Bobby assassinated, jealous that he was the only Kennedy Marilyn wouldn’t sleep with. : )

nocountry2's avatar

Okay, so if not Hillary as a running mate, what about Gore? Or do past candidates consider it beneath them to accept a VP offer?

hossman's avatar

I suspect Gore would love to have an opportunity to get Hillary back for the way she treated him, and for losing a close election, which he may not have lost if it hadn’t been for the anti-Clinton blowback from Monica and other Clinton naughtiness.

Gore would certainly give Obama cachet with the far left and environmentalists (close to the same thing), but I suspect Obama already has that vote wrapped up against Clinton, and certainly will have that vote rather than McCain.

I think Obama will wait until the convention to choose a running mate, as he will probably go into the convention needing the superdelegate Dem Party insiders to win the nomination. The #2 spot may very well be the pot sweetener he needs to clinch some superdelegate votes.

As far as the general election goes, although I think Obama will be stuck with whoever he has to take to cut a deal at the convention, he would do better in the election to have a VP who is a relatively conservative southern Democrat, to pull in some moderate and Southern Democratic and independent votes that will otherwise swing to McCain.

I think the most EFFECTIVE choice would be Zell Miller, but Obama would never offer it to him, I don’t think Zell is looking for it or would accept it, and the far left votes might have a conniption fit.

Edwards would be a good choice, except he has already lost once.

Any ideas?

aaronblohowiak's avatar

Edwards is young, i think he would be a great choice.

Cooldil17's avatar

Except for the fact that he dropped out of the race?

aaronblohowiak's avatar

dropped out for president, it is anybody’s game for vp

Cooldil17's avatar

Well Edwards is a loser, and even if Barrack did take him it would only be because he wants to steal Edwards speeches (One of his only good abilities) like he did before, and maybe just so he could have a white person helping him?

I’m not racist but the government is; Look at Bush, the only reason Condalisa is there is so he could get the black people on his side.

mirza's avatar

@cooldil17: you need to stop with the hate speech.

Cooldil17's avatar

@Mizra: This isn’t hate speech, its all fact. Besides of course how I said Edwards is a loser, but when you were a kid if you said you quit weren’t you called a loser?

Exactly.

And about Bush, look it up! Stop calling me out because I’m able to state facts.

aaronblohowiak's avatar

@cooldil17: Obama writes most of his own speeches, and has no shortage of great verbiage. His eloquence is not something he needs help with. Most of the other potential VPs are white, so that does not give any particular advantage or detriment to edwards.

Bush has not significantly courted the African-American vote. Bush primarily seems to value loyalty. ‘Condi’ used to be very well liked on the hill, it would do you well to know more about history.

Regarding Edwards being a loser: this hasn’t historically been an issue with vice presidents.

mirza's avatar

@cooldil7: First of all its “Mirza”. Secondly how is it wrong to drop out of race that you know you are going to lose? So you are saying Edwards should have wasted more millions of dollar campaigning when the math clearly indicated that he would lease? Oh wait he would have been a hero if he was Huckabee spending millions hoping for a miracle.

As for the statement that ”when you were a kid if you said you quit weren’t you called a loser?” , the fact we are no longer kids. When you realize that you are making a mistake, you try to correct the mistake. For example, a few months ago I realized that this project I was working on was doomed to fail. I had two options: stop the project and save the time and money OR bet my savings onto something I had no faith on. I chose the first option because it was the sensible thing to do – not because I am a loser.

As for Obama not writing his own speeches, why don’t you look into the facts about that. Have you ever even bothered to read his book which he wrote himself? And do you even know how many Presidents borrowed other people’s word in their speeches ?

gooch's avatar

@ cooldil I love Condalisa as s politician and would vote for her in a heartbeat. Race is not a factor in my life. I can’t stand Obama as a person or a politician. Race does not influence my decision what so ever. Views are what matter. Don’t hate me as I am a white heterosexual father of three southern republican christian male and don’t base your decisions on those factors. Base them on how the individual can improve your country. I personally was willing to die for my troops in combat who were all black male democrates. Why you ask because they were American soilders defending me and MY country.

Riser's avatar

@Cool: Why do you suppose Hillary is a better candidate than Obama?

If you are going to attack opinion except a retaliation. Best of luck to you in law school.

Cooldil17's avatar

I think your all missing the point here, this has become a huge attack on me and I’ll just end it right now by saying I’m not racist, the system is. And on that note I will now stop following this stupid mess.

breedmitch's avatar

@hossman: Zell Miller?? The Party is not going to allow that. For chrisakes, the guy spoke at the last Republican Convention. Now, I’m all for bipartisanship, but this was almost treason.

hossman's avatar

Yup. That’s why I said it would never be offered. But it certainly would pull in the Southern conservative and moderate Democratic vote, as well as a significant number of moderates. Most of the other suggestions would, in the general election, not the primary, only entice votes that Obama already will have locked against McCain. My answer wasn’t from idealogy, but a pure bean counting, how do we get the most votes standpoint. The far left might scream, but they may also take it as the pragmatic, we don’t really mean this, it’s just to get elected, then Miller’s off to the funeral of the Botswanan prime minister decision that it would be. And Miller wouldn’t accept either.

trainerboy's avatar

@hossman,
I doubt Zell Miller could even consder nor accept the nomination if offered, and not lose credibility after his speech in 2004. I believe those who are moderate would be very supsicious of him if he even considered accepting the VP nomination, so I don’t believe he would draw as many moderates or Southern conservatives as you might think.
Who knows though in politics? Maybe he could say he “misspoke” at the 2004 convention, or that his remarks were taken out of context. That seems to be a “get out of jail free” card for politicians.

breedmitch's avatar

@trainerboy: It’s because of his remarks at the 2004 Republican Convention that Zell Miller has lost all credibility.

trainerboy's avatar

Abreedmatch,
I am speaking in a different context than you may be. I am saying that if Obama were to invite him as a Veep candidate to draw in the Southern and conservative/moderate democrats, he would lose credibility with those people. You, I would guess are not in that line of thinking, hence your comment, so what you say may be true for you. But for those Democrats who liked what he said, if he was offered and accepted the nomination for Veep, they would probably be suspicious of him now and it would not help Obama very much.
In fact, I believe Obama would lose credibility if he offered it to Zell Miller.

hossman's avatar

And let’s not forget the disgruntled “McCain is a traitor” Republicans that might be even more likely to vote for Obama if they could justify it by pointing to Zell Miller.

I have reviewed Mr. Miller’s remarks at the convention, as posted here:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/zellmiller2004rnc.htm

I am not aware if Mr. Miller made any other comments you find objectionable, but I see nothing in the remarks linked above that damage his credibility in any way. You may disagree with his position, but I see nothing regarding credibility. While you may disagree with Mr. Miller, there is no question he put his political career on the line because his convictions led him to support Bush over Kerry, for the reasons he gives.

I’d actually like to see more Democrats AND Republicans putting it all on the line by refusing to maintain party allegiance when the party acts clearly contrary to their own ideals. Marching lockstep with the party, liberal OR conservative, results in the parties being able to ignore their constituencies and their own membership.

Mr. Miller clearly has a vision of the Democratic Party clearly more in line with the Democrats of the first half of the twentieth century than the 21st century. When he could not sway his colleagues, he found that the opposing party was more consistent with his convictions. That is what an elected official should be doing, then his constituents should vote him in or out based on those convictions. There are far too many politicians, Obama and Clinton included, whose true convictions are not discernable from their actions, and what they appear to be as disclosed by their statements changes with political convenience.

The more I think about it, both Mr. Miller and Mr. Obama repeatedly assert they are about bipartisanship in support of vital interests. As Mr. Obama has essentially no legislative history on national defense and security, if in the general election Mr. Obama modified his “get out now” stance on Iraq, and Miller believed him, I see no essential contradiction in their being a ticket. Not that it would ever happen.

I also believe you are underestimating the appeal Mr. Miller’s remarks had to many southern Democrats and assorted voters everywhere. The election results suggest his position has a greater base than the media or politicians of both parties wish to admit. It is the issue on which Miller spoke that probably accounts for Bush’s reelection more than any other, as Bush has certainly done nothing else for the Republican base. I’m sorry, I should say that and his Supreme Court nominations.

trainerboy's avatar

@hossman,
I don’t know if that last response was emant for me or somebody else. What I am saying is that if Zell Miller were to be part of an Obama ticket, to me, and I believe to many, it would invalidate what he said in 2004. If he believes what he said, I do nto se how he could in any way support Obama who is more to the Left than John Kerry was in 2004, so if he accepted and invitation to become Veep under Obama, I believe a lot of moderates would question his stance.

hossman's avatar

Yup. I agree. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. It would require Obama to modify his stance on Iraq, which he won’t. Oback/Miller is a theoretical proposal, it would never happen in real life. Fantasy politics, like fantasy football.

mirza's avatar

@hossman: what do you think about an Obama – Bloomberg ticket ?

hossman's avatar

I don’t really know enough about Bloomberg to be a good judge of that, what little I know gives me a gut instinct to distrust Bloomberg, but that could be based on insufficient information. This is all theoretical to me, as I am not an Obama supporter, and recent events make me trust him even less.

breedmitch's avatar

@trainerboy: hossman’s comments were directed at me. He knows I’m a radical leftist, pinko-commie liberal (capital L).
What I should have said was, “Zell Miller’s statements lost him all credibility with me.”
There is much in his speech with which I object. Most notably is the idea that Kerry would have left foreign policy decisions to France. How laughable. (BTW, now that France has a conservative, right-wing leader, whom will republicans demonize?)

hossman's avatar

@ breedmitch: The Dutch should be the next conservative target. Same prolixity for stinky cheese, same socialist government, legalized drugs, legalized prostitution, we had to pull their butt out of the fire in WWII also, why not just punch a few holes in some dikes, then offer FEMA assistance. . . I never disliked the French because of their politics, I disliked the way I was treated when I was there.

And I don’t find you to be radical, pinko (always hated that word, not sure what it really means) or communist. Leftist I’ll give you, but I don’t even see you as a liberal in the current sense of the word. I DO find you have a brain and don’t reject common sense for good intentions, a more label-minded person than I might suggest there is a closet conservative somewhere inside you struggling to get out. None of the obvious double entendre from any of the above intended.

I doubt Zell Miller had any credibility with you in the first place, so he couldn’t have lost any. I believe you are taking Miller’s line about Paris too literally. If you read it in context with the previous line of the speech, Miller first says Kerry would not take military action without the prior approval of the U.N., which Kerry did in fact say during the campaign, then Miller says Kerry would “let Paris decide when America needs defending,” which strikes me as hyperbole based upon the literal statement in the prior line.

You have a difference of opinion with Miller. That doesn’t diminish the credibility of either of you. I still admire him for risking his political career for standing on principle, which none of the three Presidential candidates appear willing to do. I do admire Ron Paul for doing the same, even though I find many of his principles to be based upon very wacky interpretations of history and law. This has nothing to do with whether I would vote for either of them.

So I propose the Dutch as the next whining conservative target. With Bush leaving office, who do you propose will be the next whining liberal target?

breedmitch's avatar

We’re not going to be finished with Bush anytime soon. The plan is to bring him up on international war crimes charges at our next pot-smoking, prostitution buying, gay marrying convention in Amsterdam in Spring ‘09. See you there?

trainerboy's avatar

@hossman….the next target will be whoever is elected President. Conservatives don’t like any of the candidates. I am one of those who does not like any of the three. I would be in the Libertarian camp. As such, I am not a big fan of Bush who has overseen the biggest growth of federal government in my lifetime and that is with a so-called conservative, Republican Congress. They had an opportunity to actually shrink the size of government, went the other way, and lost me in the process, not that they care.
By the way, pinko refers to someone who has Communist leanings, meaning commies used to be called “reds” so a pinko was a lighter shade of red.

hossman's avatar

Am I bringing the pot, the prostitute, or the gay spouse? Or perhaps a pot-smoking gay spouse-for-hire? Now that I no longer work for the Department of Corrections, I don’t have much opportunity to have contact with pot-smoking gay prostitutes, so could I just bring a really good scalloped potato casserole? Pulled pork barbecue, perhaps?

And I’m sure the other pot-smoking Eurotrash liberals in Brussels are gonna have a problem with you moving the war crimes tribunal to Amsterdam. I’ll catch you at the Clinton health care for all symposium in Moscow instead. Hillary, that is. Bill will be back in Amsterdam not inhaling the pot, or the cigars, for that matter.

I meant I don’t know that “pinko” really means anything today, as even most conservatives are no longer scared by the Communists. Perhaps it now means a liberal with fashion sense.

I agree that few conservatives would call McCain or the current national Republicans conservatives. I never viewed Bush or his father as conservatives. They strike me more as East Coast elitists whose money is too old to be Democrats.

trainerboy's avatar

I rarely hear the word “pinko” anymore so it probably is more used in a fashion sense by somone who is either French or walks with a sashay.
I hope the war trials go long and well as it will keep those involved busy with something other than attempting to regulate all of our thinking and behavior.

breedmitch's avatar

I missed you!
Amsterdam was just funnier somehow.

hossman's avatar

I missed you too, breedmitch, and I agree, Amsterdam is inherently funnier than Paris, although Brussels, with the vegetable tie-in, has comic potential.

And I don’t know about trainerboy and you, but I’m straight, and I still like to occasionally walk with a good sashay. A little vamping never hurt anyone. Thus, no Republican nomination for me. Too many witnesses. Many of whom are working journalists. And have pictures.

trainerboy's avatar

You don’t know about me??? Is there a question? I don’t sashay and don’t even wear pink.

hossman's avatar

Relax, trainerboy, ‘Twas not meant as an accusation, but humor. I would have no idea whether either of you sashay. Or step-touch. Or do the hustle.

Oddly enough, every time in my acting career I have been asked to dance, it has been with a man. The characters I have played have had dance solos with men, by coincidence.

trainerboy's avatar

@hossman…I knew that. I was throwing it back!!!!

trainerboy's avatar

I wonder if Hillary is willing to let any man “take” her. I would think only a blind desperate man would be willing.

susanc's avatar

Surprised to hear this from trainerboy. I think H is very pretty for someone her age.
Got a good loud guffaw too. I’m an Obama girl myself, but I think she’s attractive
as a person. Do you think I’m nuts?

Vicseay's avatar

No…because he won’t get elected! McCain will be your next President! Leave it to the democrats to have both a woman and a negro running at the same time! LOL!!

mirza's avatar

@Vicseay: wow, just when i thought that racism was over and there were no such thing as hilbillies

nocountry2's avatar

Damn vice I bet your woman is pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen too eh? Where are you from, 1952??

breedmitch's avatar

Georgia. Same thing as 1952.

Vicseay's avatar

Nope…us hillbillies is still here…and we’ll be here when all the Liberals are ridin’ bikes and beggin’ for bread!

nocountry2's avatar

Blatant pride of intolerance is not anything we can help you with, my friend

breedmitch's avatar

I think I objected to your use of the word “negro”. It just came across as so bigoted.

breedmitch's avatar

Now I feel bad for assuming. So let’s clear this up. Is it your opinion, Vicseay, that those of a different race, gender or sexuality than your own are somehow unequal or inferior?

Vicseay's avatar

Well…let me clarify my response. Here…on the GOP side…we have an older…waaay older…war hero and senator! There…on the Democratic side…we have a woman….I think she would be the “first” woman President…am I right? Also….we have running for the Democratic nomination….a Negro (Colored, Black, Afro-American, Non-White, Minority)man…would would also be a “first”...if he got elected! Are you following me now? I think it would have been far wiser of those of the liberal,democratic persuasion to pick either the headstrong,moody, sometimes puzzling (she married Bill Clinton) woman candidate…or the young….inexperienced….very unpatriotic….very liberal….minority man who is ashamed of his own middle name ( I shall leave it to you Rumplestilskin to figure it out)! Now….are we understanding each other?

Vicseay's avatar

Oh…yes….I am so sorry that I am intolerant of grandstanding and political hoopla and the liberal media and their darlings! Excuse me Ms. Clinton for noticing that you are experienced…but that your grasp of mathematical reality has a lot left to be desired…especially when that phone rings at 3 AM! Excuse me Mr Hussein Osama…I mean…Obama..sorry….For noticing that…who the hell are you anyway? Where did you come from? What have you ever done for me? This country? Oh….I digress….you are a senator…and you are of the non-white persuasion….and your wife has a big mouth…as does your pastor….well….I beg your forgiveness sirrah!

breedmitch's avatar

Is there a “flag as racist” button anywhere??

squirbel's avatar

“Of the non-white persuasion.” Can you please explain what value being “white” adds to his nomination?

Vicseay's avatar

No…I shall leave that to the pundits who twist even the simplest explainations to fit their “persecution complexes”! Why would you want to “flag” me as a “racist”? I merely stated the fact that Hussein is not white…am I wrong? Oh…and his name is Hussein…even though he would rather you not know that! His wife is now finally proud to be an American…well…...FINALLY! Hey…..come here….(whisper) Osama…uh…Obama…is….is…not white! (GASP!!)

breedmitch's avatar

You are so…
Oh forget it!

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