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(NSFW) How far In a human Pedigree chart can one go back in time before humans stop doubling? What is the term where the change occurs?

Asked by talljasperman (21916points) March 15th, 2012

For example a person typically has two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents, but what happens to the logic when ones linage exceeds the population of the planet at the time way way back? Does something have to break down and create duplicates? How far can anyone’s Pedigree Chart go before one is certain to have duplicate Pedigree members? What is the Genealogical term and typical historical date for this limit?

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Esedess's avatar

Inbreeding

HungryGuy's avatar

Fascinating question. I’ve often heard people say there’s “six degrees of separation” in people, meaning that we’re all related to each other by no more than six generations of relatives (or something like that).

And why do you consider your question to be NSFW?

talljasperman's avatar

@HungryGuy I am using the warning label NSFW for the eventual discussion into Inbreeding. I got kicked out of religion class for asking a similar question as a child (about who Adam and Eve’s grand children came from) and I wanted to warn those who might be offended at the discussion ahead of time.

HungryGuy's avatar

@talljasperman – Really? You got kicked out of religious indoctrination for asking a reasonable question? ROTFLMMFAO!

Esedess's avatar

Ok, this took me a little while to dig up, but I finally found it. It’s pretty dead on with what you’re talking about.

“IF YOUR TWO parents hadn’t bonded just when they did—possibly to the second, possibly to the nanosecond—you wouldn’t be here. And if their parents hadn’t bonded in a precisely timely manner, you wouldn’t be here either. And if their parents hadn’t done likewise, and their parents before them, and so on, obviously and indefinitely, you wouldn’t be here.

Push backwards through time and these ancestral debts begin to add up. Go back just eight generations to about the time that Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln were born, and already there are over 250 people on whose timely couplings your existence depends. Continue further, to the time of Shakespeare and the Mayflower Pilgrims, and you have no fewer than 16,384 ancestors earnestly exchanging genetic material in a way that would, eventually and miraculously, result in you.

At twenty generations ago, the number of people procreating on your behalf has risen to 1,048,576. Five generations before that, and there are no fewer than 33,554,432 men and women on whose devoted couplings your existence depends. By thirty generations ago, your total number of forebears—remember, these aren’t cousins and aunts and other incidental relatives, but only parents and parents of parents in a line leading ineluctably to you—is over one billion (1,073,741,824, to be precise). If you go back sixty-four generations, to the time of the Romans, the number of people on whose cooperative efforts your eventual existence depends has risen to approximately 1,000,000,000,000,000,000, which is several thousand times the total number of people who have ever lived.

Clearly something has gone wrong with our math here. The answer, it may interest you to learn, is that your line is not pure. You couldn’t be here without a little incest—actually quite a lot of incest—albeit at a genetically discreet remove. With so many millions of ancestors in your background, there will have been many occasions when a relative from your mother’s side of the family procreated with some distant cousin from your father’s side of the ledger. In fact, if you are in a partnership now with someone from your own race and country, the chances are excellent that you are at some level related. Indeed, if you look around you on a bus or in a park or café or any crowded place, most of the people you see are very probably relatives. When someone boasts to you that he is descended from William the Conqueror or the Mayflower Pilgrims, you should answer at once: “Me, too!” In the most literal and fundamental sense we are all family.”

Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything, pg. 249

talljasperman's avatar

@HungryGuy Yes. It was wonderful.

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