Why are ex-Bernie Sanders fans refusing to listen to him now?

Asked by Dutchess_III (46828) July 16th, 2016

They claim to be so loyal, but are ignoring him and his attempts to explain why they should back Hillary. Why they HAVE to back Hillary.

I’m going to share some insights from a FB friend of mine, who is amazingly educated on the election system, and in all things political. We’ll call her Angie.
Warning, it’s long, but she’s an excellent writer and it’s worth the read.

It started with a post that was on my daughter’s feed, and she wanted to get my opinion on it. My daughter, we’ll call her Jen, is 38, and is registered to vote for the first time in her life because she wants Bernie.

This is the post Jen sent me (which is also long.)

Jen: Food for thought…I’m sticking with him, even if I have to write him in…never Clinton and never Trump…I copied this from another supporter…
There is still hope.

It may be a long shot, but…
Q. Why did Bernie endorse Hillary now?
A. They threatened to completey shut him out of the convention if he didn’t.
Q. Couldn’t he have said screw them and go and fight at the convention anyway?
A. No. Hillary has more delegates, Superdelegates, and supporters on the DNC rules committee. They would have voted down every one of our platforms, denied Bernie the opportunity to speak, and basically shut him out of the entire process. All the leverage he has gained up to this point would be gone.
Q. So wait, Bernie DIDN’T quit today?
A. No. He had to say she won the primary, he endorses her and will help the party defeat Trump, yadda yadda but he DID NOT concede. There is a very big and important difference. Had he conceded, all of his delegates would go to Hillary and he would no longer be an option for nominee.
Q. So Bernie can actually still win??
A. YES. And if he wasn’t still TRYING to win, he would have conceded. The ONLY option he had to get to the convention with his delegates behind him and have a chance to still win was to do what he did today. He is not a traitor. He didn’t sell us out. He did the only possible thing he could have done to keep fighting for the nomination.
Q. So how can Bernie still win if he’s losing the delegate count and he just said he will help Hillary win the election?
A. By far the most important thing to the DNC, even more important than making sure Hillary beats Bernie, is making sure the Democratic nominee beats the Republicans in November. They scrutinize every poll, every opinion of the public, every event to judge whether a candidate is strong enough to win in November. There are A LOT of things going on right now that show how weak of a general election candidate Hillary Clinton is:
-66% of the country sees her as untrustworthy
-60% thinks she should have been indicted for the email scandal
-A lot of Bernie supporters won’t vote for her
-Congress has requested the Department of Justice investigate her for lying under oath about the email scandal
-There’s a possibility more emails will be leaked by wikileaks or hackers further proving her guilt
-Many believe the FBI is secretly investigating the Clinton Foundation
-Her “wins” during the primary havr been tainted with accusations of fraud, suppression, lawsuits, and investigations
And then there’s Bernie. An honest candidate people trust and whose approval rating and trustworthy rating crushes Clinton’s. This is the argument Bernie will make at the convention. With all his 1,900 delegates inside arguing this case and 100,000 supporters outside arguing this case, we hope the DNC realizes he’s the only choice. He CAN win the convention, but he has to get there first. That’s why he endorsed her today.
Q. So it’s still important that all of his delegates go to the convention and we all still March on it like we planned?
A. It’s more important now than it ever was before.
Q. What if the DNC still refuses to nominate him at the convention? Can he still run third party now that he endorsed her?
A. Yes. In fact, running third party has never been an option until AFTER the convention. We need to stick with Bernie and see this through to the convention. He’s led us this far. Do not abandon him now.
Q. What if he loses at the convention and doesn’t run third party, but instead endorses Hillary 100% and asks us to vote for her?
A. Then our revolution continues without him and we continue to fight against Hillary Clinton and the DNC all the way up to November and beyond by voting for someone like Jill Stein or writing Bernie in. But the time for that is NOT here yet.
#StillSanders #BernieOrBust #OurRevolution

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Angie: This is a conspiracy theory that I have been fighting ever since Bernie made his announcement to endorse Hillary.

First, it is 100% false that he was threatened. He did this exactly for the same reason that we like him: he is an honest person and make good on his promise that he made on day one that he would support the Democratic nominee. People seem to have forgotten that he made that promise and that he is an honest person who keeps his promises.

Second, no, there is nothing that is going to indict Hillary or keep her from becoming president. If the emails weren’t enough to do it, nothing else will be, although the Republicans will continue to go on witchhunts, and things like this will aid them in doing that and help Trump get into office, which will be far far worse than Clinton getting into office.

Third, Bernie Sanders will not run for third-party no matter what, for the same reason that he endorsed Hillary Clinton: he made a promise not to run third-party. He is an honest man, and he will not break that promise.

People who are true supporters of Bernie Sanders will respect his hard work on the DNC platform, because of him it is the most progressive they have ever had in the history of their existence, and the only way it (which is 80% of everything Bernie was fighting for to begin with for us) can get into the White House and all of his hard work have a chance at coming to fruition is if we make sure Clinton gets into the White House.

Bernie Sanders has effectively set up Clinton for political betrayal she does not make good on her promises to adhere to the D&C platform that Bernie helped create, and it would guarantee she would be denied a second term if she failed to implement those things on the platform. HRC is a lot of things, but she is not stupid.

If Clinton does not get into the White House, we have slapped Bernie Sanders in the face and turned our back on him like traitors.

There is no way a third-party can win this late in the election year, even Ralph Nader, king of third parties, has said that.

People have become delusional at a psychotic level, as in, unable to grasp reality, when it comes to our love for Bernie Sanders, and we need to become more sane and wise up at what is really happening.

The reason Bernie Sanders is keeping his delegates to go to Philadelphia is because he wants to hold the DNCs feet to the fire the way he did Hillary Clinton’s feet to the fire in order to get the concessions for the platform, and he wants to go further and change the rules of the DNC so that superdelegates are closer to being eliminated and anyone of any party can vote in a primary from now on.

After I send this, I will send the information on what Bernie is attempting to do and what he has already accomplished, which seems to have escaped the notice of many people falsely claiming to really support him because they are not informed about what he has already successfully done on their behalf.

Bottom line: Bernie is not going to run third-party, he is not going to win at the convention, he has no intention of doing so, and you don’t have to like Hillary, but you damn well better respect what Bernie Sanders has done on your behalf, and you are throwing it all away if you do not make sure that Hillary Clinton gets into office so that she can implement the things that she has pledged to implement of Bernie’s platform.

We don’t always get everything we want with politics. That’s how politics works, but a write-in candidate would not be viable either, because they candidates are not even counted in many states.

The majority of people in this country are either going to vote for Clinton or Trump. Whether we get an ignorant, egomaniacal, racist, bigoted, xenophobic eight or whether we get someone who is in perfect but 100% capable, depends on which one you vote for.

I am with Bernie, and I agree with him that Clinton on her worst day is not nearly as bad as Trump. I recognize Bernie has good judgment, and because I am with him, I am now, reluctantly, also with her.

That was supposed to say xenophobic ape, not eight. LOL There are many typos, as I just woke up from a nap.

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Angie also sent me this video of Bernie explaining why he endorsed Trump. I can’t play it though, because I have to disable ad blocker to do so. I’ve been looking for it elsewhere.