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Has anyone here ever tried to live off the grid; if so, how did it work out, or not work out?

Asked by aeschylus (665points) February 22nd, 2009

I would really like to buy up a little plot of land and attempt to build a self-sufficient little place for myself, so I can study in peace without any obligation to institutions. I would also like some links to great products regarding this, such as water condensers, hydroponic vegetable farms, etc. Thanks!

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TheDeadWake's avatar

I am off the grid. Crap! Back on :(

NaturalMineralWater's avatar

What did you do?

toomuchcoffee911's avatar

That sounds like a great idea!

kevbo's avatar

Look up Earth Ships in Toas, NM.

aeschylus's avatar

I live in New Mexico, and I have been to the “Greater Earth Community” of Earthships there.

I have a bit of a bone to pick with Earthships, partly because of their stupid name, but mostly because they are incredibly labour-intensive (and therefore expensive) to construct, and they use non-sustainable materials such as synthetic insulation and automobile tyres. I was thinking more along the lines of hay bale construction, or natural adobe. Even a sustainably-produced advanced polymer would be interesting, but as for using waste products other than steel, I’m not too into that. Furthermore, I’ve read that they have leakage problems since, being large mounds of dirt set into an artificial or natural hillside, they are essentially built underground.

There are really only 4 problems to solve in order to successfully live off the grid. One of them is getting the thermal performance of your home up to the level of your satisfaction with little or no requirement for energy input for heating. The shape and orientation of the house and the light of the sun should be enough, and this Earthships do very well, but it should be possible with a combination of hay bales, for insulation, and interior wood and natural stone, for thermal mass, to accomplish at least comparable performance.

The other three problems are Food, Water, and Energy. Food is probably the most difficult of these, since nutrition isn’t that well understood in the first place. How much variety is enough? What must you grow? What animals must you raise? How can you provide for your sustenance with as little expenditure of time as possible? There are many products on the market for collecting water from the air, and there are very very very low-tech ways to gather plenty of rain water for washing, crops, and animals. The main problem here is purifying the water for drinking. This is why atmospheric condensers are a good idea, but they are expensive, high-tech (or so they want you to believe), and they wouldn’t fit in well with the overall aesthetic of a low-tech, hand built house. Heating that water is just another part of the energy problem. But how should we gather energy? Solar, wind, manually spinning a generator designed for that purpose? And how much is necessary (for lighting, heating water, and running a computer system with satellite internet connection)? How do we store it?

Anyway, there’s a lot that would go into it, and most of it could be thought out ahead of time. What I mean by asking here is to get some stories from people who have actually tried it, so they can reveal all the things that don’t occur to someone before hand, all the little problems that arise that we can’t predict until they happen, and what the experience of isolation and power of being completely independent is like. Is it worth it?

What makes a good place for a human being, and how can we create it with zero impact on our limited resource base?

free's avatar

I have been off power since 1979. I have a well, 10amp pump that runs off an inverter. (was gonna use 12volt but far too slow). Plenty of panels, but the huge problem is batteries. deep cycle lead acid are OK but they need constant care and go dead after 1000 cycles or so. cumbersome, difficult to dispose of and expensive. sealed types last longer and are more maintenance free but prohibitively expensive. soo…just be prepared for that hassle. I’ll assume that this is what you mean off the grid. If you intend to drop out of regular shopping, trying to be self-sufficient, all I suggest is to take it slow. This is very difficult and there is a good chance, after a year or so, that you will find that it isn’t your cup of tea. Very few people can hack it…
The Whole Earth Cat. is on line now. Another decent resource is Real Goods, but they sold out to flashy ads and content a long time ago, still they are a decent place to start.
There are many innovations since I first started, if you have money you can set up very comfortably, w/solar hot water, solar slow cookers, a decent hothouse(which is great for winter, both more daylight exposure and warmth) and have a very low carbon footprint. You need a very good inverter for AC(run your PC and satellite internet connection) and have that ‘back to nature’ satisfaction. This is how I’m living right now. good luck

steelmarket's avatar

I come close to living off the grid every time my frackin Time Warner cable drops out.

Seriously, way back in architecture school we had a weekend excursion we called Instant City. The students designed and built “instant” houses (domes, zomes, inflatables, etc.), we hauled them all out to the woods where we set up our “city” for a weekend. If they wanted power, they had to bring their own batteries, wind generators, solar panels, etc. (NO gas generators!). It was a great learning experience.

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