Your Thoughts on George Will's Afghanistan Withdrawal Piece?

Something has to be up for the neocons to give up their bloodsport. I wonder if the instability of American imperialism in Japan or S America has something to do with it (especially since we’re trying to get more troops into Columbia). Or, if they want to bring everyone home so they can martial the law when swine flu and currency devaluation manufacture a panic.

More likely, though is that it’s part of the “fuck Obama” strategy. Let’s lose this on his watch so we can win in 2010/12.

Hmmm, interesting point.

I see it as a final acceptance that the war is not winnable-but let’s admit this now that Bush is out of office- sort of thing

Merely my hypothesis, though.

The public in both Canada and America has no interest and no will whatsoever to build any anti-war movement.

We are living in a society where nobody will get together and do something good for the common interest unless there are massive unemployments. Massive unemployment is the only things people care about, because most people have learned to only care about money and their own lives, or the lives of celeberities, or their IPHONE or IPOD, or their sex lives or their pornography.

As long as things stay the way they are, and the war goes on with low casualties, no one will care because there are too many ignorant, self interested, uneducated, and/or greedy people that exist in North America.

In my opinon, I am living in a cynical, apolitical, apathetic, ignorant, hyper-captialist, greedy, violent, , corporate controlled and corrupted society and yes I live in Canada.

And i am 99 percent sure that nothing will change and things will not get better in terms of the health of the society or the interest of the community, which barely exists.

@airowDee, this might interest you. (5 min)

@kevbo

Thank you! The video is so very right. It’s interesting both leading female leftists in Canada and America share the same first name, Naomi.

Anyways,it’s true, the political system we are locked in basically ensure the status quo will be intact, or whatever that serves the interest of the captial will be protected.

The only way change can happen is literally, if people are willing to die for it. And even than, it might fail, as we have seen in Iran.

Who’s the Canadian Naomi?

Naomi Klein!

I can’t believe you didn’t heard of her. She wrote “No Logo” and “The Shock Doctrine”

Wait… is she both Naomis or just the Canadian? Who’s the American Naomi?

The American Naomi is Naomi Wolf, the Canadian (Toronto) Naomi is Naomi Klein.

Wow. How did I miss that?

You can’t know everything. We are all ignorant about something.

Ah, if only the Taliban weren’t such cunts to women though, sticks in the craw. Anti western sentiment i can understand and the right to self determination and even some aspects of sharia law. If only the Taliban had a more enlightened regard for women and a more composite doctrine, as it stands i think they and nato are both as appalling as each other, let them decorate the streets with their guts and body parts. Neither side is commendable, they deserve each other. Frankly i am sick to death of it. Having said all that i read a very negative appraisal in the Times (conservitive English) paper, about the prospects of winning the war.

I guess in my opinion Will is a neo-con tool, but he’s not a stupid neo-con tool. Perhaps he sees the writing on the wall. After all, how many foreign militaries have EVER won a war in Afghanistan. Let me count on zero hands. The whole reason it took us so long to start helping the Russians back when THEY invaded Afghanistan was because our government realized that Russia had bought themselves their own Vietnam. Short of nuking them, anyone, conservative or liberal should be able to see by now that we aren’t going to win. Will may be a partisan, but he understands logic.

I think the bottom line is that a western power can’t win a war against a guerrilla faction (Vietnam, Russia in Afghanistan, the Guerrilla Basque victory over Charlemagne, etc). As dalepetrie said, short of nuking the whole country, you can’t win a war in Afghanistan.

You can’t win a war against an idea.

No that actually isn’t the problem, the problem is you can’t get dem savages drunk on firewater get my drift they aint interested.