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What do you think about the Quantum Revolution?

Asked by rOs (3502 points ) October 31st, 2011

Some scientists believe we are going to master the material world

Others believe we are undergoing a massive shift of our own consciousness (better link needed)

Unless you are aware of these theories, please take some time to study them. I would like to hear everyone’s thoughts- Will it be an evolution of consciousness, will we master the material world, or both?

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wundayatta's avatar

I think about it a little. I don’t think of it as a revolution. I suppose it might seem like magic to some, but I just think about as manipulating the odds in your favor. There is uncertainty in the world. Observation tends to make that uncertainty collapse into certainty. Perhaps there is a quality of observation that can manipulate the way the quantum wave collapses. Who knows? I don’t know if it’ll happen in my life time. But I’m pretending it does happen… sometimes. When I feel confident enough.

Then again, maybe I have felt confident about that all my life. Certain things I have wished for have happened despite all my efforts to sabotage myself. That’s pretty weird.

Coloma's avatar

I like to think we are undergoing a massive shift in consciousness, but, as is also true, the “dark” forces always ante up in the eternal battle between good and evil.

For every “one” that has woken up, and walks in their integrity on a personal and planetary manner a sociopath is born or comes into their power.

It’s pretty obvious to me, the cultural bent towards gross narcissistic and sociopathic leanings in the individual, society, and government, well….us truth seekers better walk softly and carry a big stick. lol

flutherother's avatar

I think quantum theory tells us that we can’t hope to understand the universe through science as we can’t even understand the scientific explanation which is quantum theory. We have some mastery over the material world and we will extend that mastery through quantum theory but that is a progression rather than a revolution. As for a massive shift in our consciousness I see no sign of it. From a philosophical point of view quantum theory has little to offer as it tells us the world is an illusion and is made of dust, or something less than dust.

Qingu's avatar

Um…

Okay, I didn’t watch the videos because I can’t currently.

The claims seem preposterous. Firstly, we’ve been using quantum mechanics to “master the material world” since, oh, the 1940’s? The behavior of nuclear weapons is based on quantum mechanics. The electronic circuits in that computer you’re using? We built those with quantum mechanics. Now we’re getting more into nanomaterials, and eventually I reckon we’ll build a full-fledged quantum computer. That would certainly be revolutionary, but most new technologies are.

Secondly, QM has jack squat to do with consciousness and anyone who says differently is likely either a science fiction writer or a cult marketer. We know how our brains work. Not everything, for sure. But we know enough to know that QM has as much to do with our brains’ behavior as it does with our computer’s circuitry. Which is to say: it governs the behavior of individual atoms in neurons but has nothing to do with neurons’ macro-functions.

I think it’s absolutely obnoxious when people try to fill a legitimate gap in our knowledge of consciousness with “it must be quantum mechanics!” No, it really mustn’t. The fact that brains seem mysterious, and QM seems mysterious, doesn’t remotely imply that they are mysterious in the same ways.

rOs's avatar

I just found an interview with Michio Kaku, the guy from the first video. He says, almost explicitly, anyone who opposes New World Order is a terrorist. His ideas are wonderful, but I fear he is yet another Pied Piper. Should we race to conquer our physical universe, or should we be conquering ourselves first?

All this reminds me of Annihilation by Perfect Circle
From dehumanization to arms production,
For the benefit of the nation or its destruction
Power, power, the law of the land,
Those living for death will die by their own hand,
Life’s no ordeal if you come to terms,
Reject the system dictating the norms
From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten the nation towards its destruction
Power, power, the law of the land,
Those living for death will die by their own hand,
Life’s no ordeal if you come to terms,
Reject the system dictating the norms
From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten the nation towards its destruction
Power, power, the law of the land,
Those living for death will die by their own hand,
Life’s no ordeal if you come to terms,
Reject the system dictating the norms
From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten this nation towards its destruction,
It’s your choice, your choice, your choice, your choice,
Peace or annihilation

rOs's avatar

@Qingu Actually, different experiments with EEG machines and Electromagnetically impervious rooms have been used to demonstrate Quantum Activity between two subjects. It is shown in the second documentary I posted, The Quantum Activist (I can’t find the video online, but I watched it on NetFlix last night) I did, however, find this guy Joseph Dispenza who has a good explanation based on current research. It isn’t something that we have enough data to say, _“The claims seem[s] preposterous.”

One position I keep hearing during my research, seems to fit with @wundayatta‘s perspective- “Our observations have a direct affect on our world…” Maybe we just aren’t that great a observing yet.

Qingu's avatar

What do you mean “quantum activity between subjects”? Can you be more specific?

Edit: to wit, everything we observe is based on fundamental quantum activity. So the statement seems meaningless to me. I imagine you have in mind something like entanglement… which would also seem preposterous. But I’ll wait for the details to judge.

I’d also strongly suggest you don’t take your quantum science from Youtube videos.

Qingu's avatar

FYI:

Josephe Dispenza is not a scientist. He’s a cultist.

“Joseph Dispenza is the author of God On Your Own: Finding a Spiritual Path Outside Religion, Live Better Longer, and eleven other books and the co-founder of LifePath Retreats in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico. In addition to his work as a writer, lecturer, and retreat facilitator, he maintains a private practice as an intuitive dream counselor.”

Please ignore everything this man says about quantum mechanics.

rOs's avatar

EDIT – I am not a supporter of Joseph Dispenza!!! Quick reference spells ideological doom, it seems!

@Qingu I’d love to walk you through it, but you should just do some research and keep an open mind. YouTube is just a quick way to reference an idea, it’s up to you to use your discernment and not discriminate an idea based on one person. Just watch the original documentary I referenced, which is actually by a Quantum Physicist, and go from there. I am not the person to argue with, lets not turn this into another debate separated by differing axioms. Go with the evidence and get back to me.

Qingu's avatar

@rOs, I have an open mind, thank you very much. I also read about research developments in QM almost every day for my job.

And I am asking you about the evidence you brought up. What is it? You said “quantum activity” ... and I’m getting the sense that you don’t even know what that means.

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Qingu's avatar

I’m just a prickly pear in general. And like I said, this is a pet peeve of mine.

I would be happy to try to explain what I know about QM to you, though. Because I’m getting the sense that these videos treat the term “quantum activity” as a synonym for “spooky mysterious juju.” And it’s not. There are various kinds of quantum activity and we actually know a great deal about how they work. We also know that such quantum activity is limited almost* entirely in scope to the realm of the very small, i.e. indivudual or small groups of particles. A brain is much, much, much bigger.

*there are exceptions on a large-scale, like Bose-Einstein condensate. But we know why they’re exceptions.

I think what trips a lot of people up about QM is that it’s hard to internalize the idea of emergence. In other words, you can have all kinds of stuff happening on one level—the level of individual particles, quantum mechanics—and somehow, if you let this stuff behave long enough, or put enough particles in a room together, you’ll get an entirely new level of behavior on a larger scale. One of the best examples is color. An electron does not have a color. Color does not exist on the quantum scale. It’s an emergent property. Consciousness is an emergent property as well. A lot of mysterious things are emergent, and while QM ultimately underlies them (it underlies everything by nature of being the smallest set of rules we know of), it doesn’t necessarily have much to do with them.

rOs's avatar

GA, thanks for the quick lesson.

I want to delve into this later, when I have more time. If interested, I did find an article that mentions the experiment from the documentary.

I also found this article from National Geographic – Teleportation Takes Quantum Leap
“Since then, numerous experiments using photons have proved that quantum teleportation is possible. Scientists have teleported quantum bits along more than a mile (1.6 kilometers) of fiber-optic wire inside laboratories.”

Qingu's avatar

Okay.

“Evoked potential” and “transferred potential” are nonsense terms. Like, they have nothing to do with actual science. This is pseudoscience, which is why I imagine the book only has 2 stars rating.

About quantum teleportation: yes, it’s possible, with photons. Photons can do all sorts of weird stuff, because they are small enough to fall under the rules of quantum mechanics. This doesn’t imply you can teleport bulk matter at all.

If you’re interested in learning about QM, I could recommend some books—written by actual scientists—that introduce the material. Or I could try to explain it to you more, if you have any questions (I’m sure other Flutherites would help too). QM is incredibly fascinating in its own right, without the pseudoscientific crap.

Qingu's avatar

Edit: Should havesaid “quantum mechanical science” re: evoked potential. They are things in neuroscience.

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