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What percentage of the data scanned by the NSA and British GCHQ is actually checked by a human?

Asked by mattbrowne (31732points) June 26th, 2013

“The PRISM surveillance program is a clandestine national security electronic surveillance program operated by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) since 2007.”

“Tempora is, according to The Guardian newspaper, a clandestine security electronic surveillance program trialled in 2008, established in 2011 and operated by the British Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ).”

We’re talking megatons of data every day. Scanning is done by computer programs. How often do the programs alert human beings? When Jellies write about dirty bombs, attempts to blow up skyscrapers and spreading deadly viruses in football stadiums, does this trigger an alarm? How likely is it that this very Fluther question gets reviewed by NSA or MI6 personnel?

How much is actually known how the scanned material is being dealt with?

How grateful should we be that real terrorist are caught and (mass) murder is prevented?

Do you mind your Facebook profiles, emails and Fluther responses being scanned?

How can we best balance security concerns and data privacy?

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10 Answers

Katniss's avatar

Yes, I do mind. I mind it a lot.
I don’t want to have to edit myself or have to worry about saying or writing something that will cause the men in black to show up at my door and take me away.

Katniss's avatar

Oops. I wasn’t done. lol

I realize that I’m being overly dramatic, but I feel it’s an invasion of privacy and most likely they will target the wrong people because they don’t want to be accused of racial profiling.

johnpowell's avatar

From what I gather this isn’t so much about analyzing real-time data but more about looking into peoples past. Either way we are all a bit fucked. As expected people from the United States are pissed off about our emails being read. But we don’t give a fuck that people in Germany’s are read.

9/11

Europe nerds, it is time for you to start your own Google. Don’t use services based in the United States.

And what I think is happening here.. The companies in question are not giving direct access to the NSA. So they can say no back-door and be honest. But there is boxes between their datacenters and ones run by the NSA. The NSA just happens to have the SSL keys for the encrypted traffic. No no back-door but the NSA can read you gmail or iMessages.

I started running my own mail server about a year ago and moved off of gmail. And now I use duckduckgo for search. I pretty much only use google for images and maps now.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Katniss – What is the likelihood of something you wrote being scanned also alerts a human?

mattbrowne's avatar

@johnpowell – Google has a ten year head start. In a free market environment that’s quite a challenge for anyone wanting to catch up. The Chinese were able to do it without the pressure of having to be profitable.

Katniss's avatar

@mattbrowne Not at all likely. Just knowing that it’s a possibility is what bothers me.

johnpowell's avatar

@mattbrowne :: Trust me, I know. But I do still think you need European equivalents. DuckDuckGo is shit compared to Google but 99% of the time it works great. Opera owns Fastmail and they are expensive but awesome.

There is a lot of money to be made here if people in the EU made services hosted outside to USA.

I run six servers. Two in the USA, One in Canada, Two in the Netherlands, and one in France. And I am moving the USA ones out of the country ASAP.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Katniss – The possibility that the computer program alerts a human? Or the computer program doing the scanning even without the potential alert?

mattbrowne's avatar

@johnpowell – What’s the purpose of having a European search engine with the British doing the scanning instead of the Americans?

gorillapaws's avatar

I’d rather be killed (or even have someone I love killed) by a terrorist than see America degenerate into a surveillance state. It’s amazing, the British literally burned Washington DC to the ground and 3 buildings get trashed plus a few thousand civilians get killed and we throw out everything every soldier in America gave their lives for.

Bin Laden won—he succeeded in making the US trash it’s Constitution and become just like the Taliban and only needed to kill a few thousand civilians to do it. I wonder, had the British known that in 1812 if things would have gone differently back then too?

The reality is that a one-time-pad is unbreakable by anyone out there and has been around for over 100 years. Terrorists will be able to communicate securely, and the rest of us get to have the thought police sifting through our lives. Nice.

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