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Where can I find and read "The Road To Suicide"?

Asked by killertofu (115 points ) October 22nd, 2009

In Guy Ritchie’s movie, Revolver, two quotes where used from something called “The Road To Suicide.” Where exactly can I find this text/book? Below is one of the quotes:

“The only real enemy to have ever existed, is an eternal one.”—The Road To Suicide, pg1, line1

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PandoraBoxx's avatar

It’s a speech given by Enoch Powell in 1977. You can find it attached to this blog

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erikaVT's avatar

@Samurai I don’t think that was the point.

killertofu's avatar

@erikaVT i had a feeling someone would say something stupid.
@PandoraBoxx that link is to “Enoch Powell: The Road To National Suicide.” The quote from the movie is not found in that page, nor the full speech. Least thats what it seems like

Samurai's avatar

Geez, it was a joke, get it. no need for it to get removed by moderators.

loser's avatar

No, apparently there was a need.

Samurai's avatar

@loser In the Fluther Guidelines it said something about allowing jokes if the question has already been answered seriously.

PandoraBoxx's avatar

That is a fictional book, in a fictional story. The itself is title is a literary device.

Jeruba's avatar

@Samurai, it says “If you want to make a joke in an answer, wait until at least one helpful response has been given.” That is not quite the same thing. Sometimes humor is not appropriate at all. I didn’t see your modded remark, so I say this without prejudice: poor taste is poor taste.

killertofu's avatar

@PandoraBoxx it is a non-existing book eh? wonder why they quote it as if it existed

Jeruba's avatar

Why not, @killertofu? When you create fiction, you can make up anything you want.

I created a web page that gives a detailed history of a woman from the Middle Ages who left an interesting legacy of occult practices and lore, passed down through her daughters. The page is written in a textbook style, very factual and analytical in tone, with footnotes citing several authorities, including a couple of works translated from another language, giving full bibliographic references. It also contains illustrations, including one from a medieval manuscript.

It is all my invention: the woman, her biography, her genealogy, her practices, the lore, the authorities, their names, the titles of their books in English and French, the publishers of those books, and the illustrations. All completely made up, and sounding as genuine as I could possibly make it. I worked very hard to make everything sound absolutely real, and I did a lot of research to sustain authenticity. I would do the same thing if I were writing a novel: tell the made-up story as if it were true. Wouldn’t you?

Have you ever looked for a quotation to make a point and couldn’t find one to suit your purpose? I have, so I invented an author and a fictitious work from which I posted quotations. The book does not exist; just the quotations. Then when I couldn’t find the quote I needed, I could just write one, attribute it to her and post it on that page, and then cite it. People always think something means more if you quote somebody.

A couple of years later I found my fake author and one of my made-up quotations quoted in a discussion on a serious philosophical website! I laughed so hard and long that my husband thought he was going to have to call 911.

bea2345's avatar

That gives new meaning to the expression, “Check your sources.”

Jeruba's avatar

Right! Even the slightest attempt at verification would have come up empty. Also, the clues were there. In both cases I put at the bottom that I was the author and copyright holder. And the page titles and context should also have raised a question, if not an eyebrow. But the content itself was straight-faced.

Anybody who posts Internet content could be doing the same thing. That’s obvious enough. We are far too uncritical of online sources and too careless about evaluating the quality of information we find. Some people actually seem to think that when they look things up online, “the computer”—that infallible intelligence that is the hero of so many movies and TV shows—is giving them information, and so it is beyond question.

killertofu's avatar

awesome @Jeruba
thanks for the responses!

sdtc's avatar

the quotes are accually from the fifth and final volume of Michael Reynold’s biography of Ernest Hemingway

bflan's avatar

@sdtc, true. Here is a link to an article about it: Hemmingway’s Road To Suicide

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