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Single-payer systems and homogenous cultures

Asked by squirbel (3970 points ) March 4th, 2008 from iPhone

One of the arguments against a single-payer system for health and education in the US is that it will never work because of racial diversity. “People would be more open to it if they knew they were taking care of their own; that is why it works for places such as the Netherlands.”

How do you feel? What would enable you to accept a single-payer system?

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Perchik's avatar

I just found this page detailing single payer systems… Can we assume this is the type of system you are referring to?

squirbel's avatar

That is correct.

Maverick's avatar

People are opposed to it because of race?!? That’s the most pathetic thing I’ve heard. You are all American, right? And human, right? Done and done. From someone that lives in a mulicultural society with universal healthcare, I can tell you that I never once considered or cared the races of the people being covered.

qualitycontrol's avatar

I think in the US these days it’s more about citizen vs illegal immigrant. I think illegal aliens should be covered but there are many who hate the fact that they would recieve healthcare off our dollar. This country is so dam uptight about immigrants it’s like they’re humans just like we are. Give them everything we have including healthcare.

Poser's avatar

@qualitycontrol—The issue isn’t that immigrants would receive health care. The issue is that illegal immigrants would receive health care without paying taxes. It is fiscally irresponsible.

To answer the question, it would depend on who the single payer is. I tend to shy away from ideas that limit consumer choice and competition, especially in America which has traditionally been capitalist. I think that government sponsored health care is a really bad idea, not to mention unconstitutional.

Noon's avatar

There is a problem I’ve noticds with people arguments when ever they bring up the issue of illegal immigrants using government services they don’t pay into. I think the majority of Americans don’t realize how many illegal immigrants pay into our tax system. That the INS and IRS are two entities that have little communication with eachother. There are illegal immigrants paying taxes under not only one SSN but two or more.

Receiving hospital services payed by the government isn’t “them” stealing money from “us” but us stealing money from them. Because when it comes down to it most illegal immigrants are scared to use services they have payed into because they are scared of being caught. But your average american doesn’t think twice about how much immigrant pay is being put right back into the system that the legal Americans are taking advantage of.

gooch's avatar

As an EMT I treat my patients the same. Race,religion, gender, financial status does not matter to me I get paid to do my job not decide if I choose to help them or not.

@noon I got this in an e-mail the other day and it made me say wow.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free
school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for
illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and
secondary school education for children here illegally
and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for
the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as
anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate
illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal
aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens
for Welfare and Social Services by the American
taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American
wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION
illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as
many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.
Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern
border. Homeland Security Report.
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

11. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the
total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and
$230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46
billion annually over a five year period.”
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in
remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One
M illion Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The
United States ”. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping… $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

Social Security Change For 2008

The United States Senate voted to extend Social Security
Benefits to Illegal Aliens beginning in 2008. The
following are the senators who voted to give illegal
aliens Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home
state. If a state is not listed, there was no voting
representative.

Alaska : Stevens®

Arizona : McCain®

Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)

California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)

Colorado : Salazar (D)

Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)

Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)

Florida : Martinez®

Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)

Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D)

Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar®

Iowa : Harkin (D)

Kansas : Brownback®

Louisiana : Landrieu (D)

Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)

Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)

Montana : Baucus (D)

Nebraska : Hagel®

Nevada : Reid (D)

New Jersey : Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)

New Mexico : Bingaman (D)

New York : Clinton (D) Schumer (D)

North Dakota : Dorgan (D)

Ohio : DeWine® Voinovich®

Oregon : Wyden (D)

Pennsylvania : Specter®

Rhode Island : Chafee® Reed (D)

South Carolina : Graham®

South Dakota : Johnson (D)

Vermont : Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)

Washington : Cantwell (D) Murray (D)

West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting

Wisconsin : Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

Noon's avatar

thank you very much for citing sorces, and I will do so if I can find sorces of my own, but I would venture to guess that illegal immigrants put much more of that right back into our economy. This country is now dependent on an illegal labor force. But I will wait to post again till I have statistics of my own to back up my claim.

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