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What could make my character's blood silver?

Asked by Draconess25 (4432 points ) June 16th, 2010

One of my characters (well, actually Ellie’s) has silver blood. Is there a substance (like hemoglobin & hemocyanin) which will make his blood silver & transport oxygen? Or do we have to make one up?

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tadpole's avatar

not strictly what you were getting at, but we brits refer to our royalty as having blue blood….is this something you could use or work in?

Thammuz's avatar

Ok, wait a second, what the hell are we talking about here?

I read “Drow” in the tags and, being the huge nerd that i am, i assume you’re talking about D&D.

If that’s the case maybe you should point it out next time, otherwise it’s kinda hard to help you out, not knowing what frame of reference we’re working in.

Anyway, no, not to my knowledge. Then again we’re talking about D&D, just make up a tradeoff curse/blessing (A bonus on something and malus in something else that balance eachother out. The rules on how to do this are in several manuals, if i recall they’re in both the DM’s and monster’s manuals, if not, just look up some wiki online, you’re bound to find them) that has silver blood as a side effect, you’ll expand the character by giving him/her a unique perk AND you’ll get the silver blood.

Draconess25's avatar

@Thammuz Eh? Oh, that must be where her idea came from! I have no clue what you’re talking about….I don’t play D&D, but Ellie does.

I’m writing a story over the summer, & we each created half of the characters. Her character Balthazaar is a Drow, & she just decided to make him have silver blood in our story.

I was just wondering if there was any oxygen-carrying substance that could make his blood silver, or if I’ll have to make one up.

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole I think we’re on different pages! XD

WestRiverrat's avatar

Make Balthazaar’s blood mercury based instead of iron based. I know Mercury doesn’t have the same capacity to carry oxygen as iron, but you can probably make it work for a fiction story.

Draconess25's avatar

@WestRiverrat Isn’t that poisonous? There’s a lot of vampirism in my story.

WestRiverrat's avatar

To humans, yes. But Drow have different physiology and therefore different reactions than humans.

Thammuz's avatar

@Draconess25 You do know that you can’t possibily use Drows in your story unless you’re writing fanfics or something, right? If you plan on selling this you can’t use terms that have been eradicated from other copyrighted work.

Anyway, since we’re talking about a fantasy story, i suggest you lay off the science altogether.
In my long experience as an RPG both player and DM i can guarantee that science and magic don’t mix, at all.

In a world with magic, science would incorporate it, since science works from observation, and magic is one of the most observable things in fantasy worlds. It’s basically the difference between magic and prayer, magic is supposed to work and to be quite visible when it does. Therefore you’d probably encounter several differences in those basic scientific facts about the world, since in a world where magic exists cause and effect are bound to work differently from our own.

In short: “A wizard did” it may be a weaker explaination, but it doesn’t raise the kind of problems that a bullshit science explaination would rise, leading to more weak explaination and making the whole thing a really frail card castle.

ADDENDUM: EXPECIALLY with vampirism involved. Vampirism is not well suited to interact with science. Even less than magic itself. Vampirism fucks deeply with the most basic extablished facts of biology, demanding that somehow a corpse can keep functioning under determined conditions and with constant afflux of some substance contained within the human blood. If you start fucking with WHAT the blood is made of, then you’ll have a tangled mess of things to explain, and the explainations will probably be weak and transparent like a piece of paper that had a cheeseburger passed on it. Not because it’s you, but because the explainations would have to come from a horse’s behind to begin with, starting from the fact that, you know, vampires would have to exist.

@WestRiverrat If we stick to the actual concept behind drows, then no, drows are black elves with some innate magic power, their biology is unchanged beyond that and they can interbreed with elves and humans. /NERD

Draconess25's avatar

@Thammuz Oh, the story’s just for fun. The story would be too controversial to sell, anyways.

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 hmmmmmm….crikey!! i thought you were writing a novel…! sorry to get in the way! dnd!!

@Thammuz thank you for the definition of a drow…i would never have known….

Thammuz's avatar

@Draconess25 Then do whatever you like, if it’s not for anyone but yourselves, you really have no problem with how much sense it makes, right?

By the way i hope that by “too controversial” you don’t mean “homoerotic drow vampirism” because that would mean you’ve read WAY too much fanfics in your life.

Unless it’s lesbian drow vampirism. If that’s the case send me a copy!

Thammuz's avatar

@tadpole I don’t blame you, it’s part of a baggage of useless knowledge i aquired in 9 years of dedicated nerdom.

Draconess25's avatar

@Thammuz Dammit, you caught me! But There’s around 14 other pairings, as well. Most have vampires. I think we have about 4 humans in the whole story.

Thammuz's avatar

@Draconess25 holy fucking shit on a cracker, that’s a lot of fucking! And there i was, thinking medieval sex fantasies had reached their peak with Conan the barbarian!

Draconess25's avatar

@Draconess25 Oh, it mostly takes place in the present day. Some flashbacks, of course. Blake & Balthazaar is our oldest couple: Around 700 years old!

Thammuz's avatar

@Draconess25 Ooook, that’s officially the biggest mashup of genres i’ve ever been told about.

Modern D&D that takes it up the ass from Twilight in the erotic section of a library. My mind has officially been overloaded with horrible imagery.

Draconess25's avatar

@Thammuz Twilight sucks! Our vampires are different! Edward Cullen is not a real vampire!

And how’d you know Blake was on top?

Thammuz's avatar

@Draconess25 Twilight sucks!
Amen

Our vampires are different!
You said “vampires” and “homoeroticism” so they cant’ be THAT different. Then again you said “vampires” and, as a fantasy nerd, i perfectly know that that pityful bitch that passes for a vampire in those books has nothing to do with the definition of vampire.

Edward Cullen is not a real vampire
Seeing how he doesn’t exist, i’d have problems disagreeing with you.

And when did i say who was on top?

tadpole's avatar

ah now i know what twilight is!

lesbian drow vampirism!! is there much call for this in the scifi and fantasy book world?

is a nerd like a geek?

Draconess25's avatar

@Thammuz You implied it.
@tadpole You’re still here….?

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 no i went away and came back….obviously i was missing out….

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole You are so confused. I’ll let Thammuz explain!

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 don’t forget to include the 14 other pairings…..

Draconess25's avatar

@Draconess25 What? You want me to explain them all?

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 did you mean me?

i am rather fascinated to know what you have come up with….i read fantasy til about 16 so i know a little bit about hobbits etc…

plus i thought i would go in to my local waterstones with the list and ask what they had got in the way of these….do you think i should take my camera?

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole Did I seriously just direct that response to myself? Do you want their names, or just their species?

tadpole's avatar

whatever you feel like? it’s all new? any vampire lesbian drow hobbits?

Draconess25's avatar

They’re all guys. And no hobbits.Here goes:
Nigel (Vampire)=Sam (Vampire)
Roland (Vampire)=Allen (Vampire)
Andrew (Human)=Michael (Human)
Dean (Vampire)=Nikkei (Vampire; Fox, & some cat & mouse, DNA)
Zale (Werewolf)=Thomas (Werewolf)
Killian (Vampire)=Richard (Vampire)
Blake (Vampire)=Balthazaar (Drow)
Dominick (Werewolf)=Zachary (Imp)
Logic (Zombie)=Zechyl (Human Cyborg)
Ayez (Human)=Lazare (Sentithymia)
Jacob (Human)=Roger (Vampire)
William (Vampire)=Jonathon (Vampire)
David (Elf)=Florence (Half-Angel, Half-Human)
Damien (Half-Hellspawn, Half-Angel)=Lucifer (Half-Hellspawn, Half-Kunai)=Brent (Half Hellspawn, Half-Human)
Vincent (Werewolf; Half-Vampire, Half-Incubus)=Keith (Human)
Nathan (Half-Hellspawn, Half-Incubus)=Leo (Angel)

tadpole's avatar

why no females….?

this sounds way too promising to keep to yourself….you are a full time writer i take it? i would certainly be focusing all my attention on this one….Nikkei sounds amazing….

Draconess25's avatar

Writing’s just a hobby. I work in an accessory shop. We’re just better at making male characters for some reason.

Thammuz's avatar

@tadpole ah now i know what twilight is!
Are you writing from under a rock? Seriously, everyone and their dog know what twilight is by now. Most people who have a brain despise it, and rightly so, but they still KNOW about it!

Is a nerd like a geek?
See here

@Draconess25 If by “we” you mean youand your two girlfriends i’d advise you run this by a male, otherwise you’ll turn up “good” at writing male characters as Frank Miller is good at writing females.

Mind you that as a book case of Milleritis i have no problem with characters used only as sex foil, just don’t think that’s all it takes to write good characters.

tadpole's avatar

@Thammuz hey hostile, if you think most people know what twilight is you are sadly mistaken…..mind you if you mean everyone under 25…...

Draconess25's avatar

@Thammuz Oh, we focus greatly on chareacter developement. Sure, our guys are sexy. But they have personalities, too. And they’re not all stereotypical, either!

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 yes i would say the stereotype has been broken judging at your list….grin….unless they are still all chauvinist etc etc….

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole Well, Andrew maybe. But that’s about it.

Thammuz's avatar

@tadpole I’m not being hostile, i’m genuinely baffled! I mean, at the very least because of the box office worth despite the deserved negative critique, i would expect that shitfest to be widely known!

@Draconess25 You know that there is no “one” stereotype, right? Dig around TVTropes and i’m positive you’ll find most of your characters.

That’s not a bad thing, mind you, Tvtropes only lists (or, rather, tries to) all the recurring models of literature and media in general; and since we have about 3000 years worth of literature plus cinema, television, comics and videogames, it’s pretty obvious that nothing can be really new by now.

Give it a look, i found it to be a huge source of inspiration and suggestions when writing stuff for my roleplaying sessions with my friends. For every trope there’s generally explained when it’s fitting to use it, when it should be avoided, how to use it properly and how not to.

All in all it’s a good database for pointers and suggestions.

Draconess25's avatar

@Thammuz That website is amusing.

tadpole's avatar

@Thammuz hey i wasn’t serious about the hostility! but it’s just a film and a book phenomenon for the younger demographic…do you think that means everyone will have heard of it…hope i’m not destroying anything here…if i am ignore me….why not go into your nearest old folks home and ask them about it? for example…sorry, i am being way too serious about this, it’s big to you and that’s Enough!! said patronizingly…..probably just wishing i was young and with it again….....

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole Think of yourself as blessed for not hearing about it.

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 hahah hey you don’t like it do you? any reason why? i am a bookshop regular and keep an eye out for what’s there…..vampire fiction is such a trend nowadays, as is all dark or gothic fantasy…is it just twilight you dislike…?

hey that tv tropes site is interesting….

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole Main reasons why I hate Twatlight: 1) She makes vampires seem like nothing more than popstars with superpowers. 2) From what I understand, there is no downside to lycanthropy, which is supposed to be a curse. 3) Bella is a Mary-Sue. 4) Robert Pattinson looks awful with black hair. 5) I tried to read the 1st book (before it was a fad), & found it to be incredibly boring. Stephanie Meyers is rather redundant, & it’s too teenybopper-ish & childish for me.

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 those are all compelling answers…the british guy doesn’t look like he acts a lot…but i guess this doesn’t matter?

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole He played Cedric Diggory in the 4th Harry Potter movie. He actually looked good in that movie!

tadpole's avatar

@Draconess25 i have seen that! i have heard of harry potter!! although can i add that i was not at any point saying i had not heard of twilight!! as i recall the 4th one was the one i liked the best, because of the scene underwater in the lake? was that the 4th? part of some house game or summit? i know that’s a bit sad only liking it for that one 2 minute sequence…i kinda find the hp films a little too “childish” as a whole..is that the right word…what do you think of them, and the books?

don’t remember him in it though the name is familiar…did he get bumped off? SPOILER that way <<<<<<<<<<<

Draconess25's avatar

@tadpole Yeah, that was the 4th. My favourite scene is with the dragons! I love the Harry Potter series; much darker than Twatlight. It at least has a plot!

Thammuz's avatar

@tadpole I second what @Draconess25 said, you’re lucky you’ve not been plagued with it yet.

My issues with it are different, though. I have a problem with thigs that market themselves as something they are not. Twilight markets itself as a “romance” wich it isn’t, it’s a strictly sexual relationship between a passive aggressive emotional blackmailer and a selfish manipulative cocktease who might as well have sewn her vagina shut. It markets itself as a fantasy, which would be like me marketing myself as a toilet because, like twilight, i shit all over it. It says it’s about vampires, but apparently i must have missed thememo where vampires became sparkling vegetarian spineless twats, and it doesn’t market itself as basically porn for women, which it is. Oh, wait, it does, nevermind.

Furthermore it worries me that many girls i know, including my girlfriend, think that their relationship is “so romantic” when they’re together basically because of mutually assured self-destruction. She tries to blackmail him with bullshit like “i won’t live without you” and he,in turn, bullies her into doing what he wants. Why that’s not fucked up and co-dependent at all, is it?

What a beautiful example of a functional and sane relationship!

As for the 4th harry potter movie, it’s odd that you don’t remember him, he’s the guy who dies in the end and his death is all dramatic and shit, that kind of scene generally leaves an impression…

@Draconess25 Bella is a Mary Sue

“In other words, the term “Mary Sue” is generally slapped on a character who is important in the story, possesses unusual physical traits, and has an irrelevantly over-skilled or over-idealized nature.”

Holy shit, it’s the definition, word by word! Which is incredibly ironic because when you downright analyze her behaviour she’s nothing but a manipulative cocktease!

Good find!

tadpole's avatar

@Thammuz points taken….

what i meant is i remember the character and him getting bumped off, cause it was a part of that story, i don’t remember him as being robert pattinson or what he looked like…

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