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Is there a better solution to crime than prison or death?

Asked by Sayd_Whater (439points) January 13th, 2011

The prison or the incarceration already existed in the Old Egypt but it didn’t solved crime! In fact I think it just pushed it away for while.
Can anyone think of a better solution?

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john65pennington's avatar

About the only solution is still to take the rights away from the convicted or death in some cases.

If there were a better solution, i am sure someone would have already suggested it.

Freedom is precious. taking it away from convicted criminals still ranks number one with me.

syzygy2600's avatar

It depends on what type of crime you’re talking about.

People who choose to rape, molest, and murder others deserve to be punished for what they did. What kind of civilized society would allow a murderer to not receive punishment for his or her actions?

Winters's avatar

Frontal Lobotomy.

TexasDude's avatar

Finding a way to actually address poverty in a way that everyone wins would probably be a good start.

Fucking other people is sort of human nature, though. It’s how we clawed our way to the top of the evolutionary pyramid…. by being the meanest bastards out there. Until human nature can be altered…. good luck.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

I think that addressing poverty is an important factor, as @Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard mentions.
I also think that a focus on rehabilitation would be far more effective than the current system, but who knows if that would ever be truly feasible from a financial perspective.

bkcunningham's avatar

Here’s an article that addresses the issue if anyone is interested.

http://stanfordlawyer.law.stanford.edu/2010/11/saving-the-criminal-justice-system-will-the-budget-crisis-force-change/

What is says, basically, rehabilitation has been tried and tested in the US. But the good news out of this trail by fire approach, is we’ve gleaned some important data that should be looked at for our current economic crisis and dwindling budgets.

Prison expenditures are expected to cost taxpayers $75 billion annually in 2011, but the social cost of what is often called “mass incarceration” also has been profound. The racial profile of inmates is disproportionately weighted to young African-American males.

It may seem hard to believe but there are more black men imprisoned or on parole or probation today than were enslaved in 1850, more than 10 years before the Civil War began.

Recidivism numbers show that what the prison system has been doing with offenders isn’t working. Instead it has produced an enormous and expensive criminal class of largely addicted, poorly educated, disenfranchised individuals with few options to lead a lawful life when they are released from prison. According to a recent Department of Justice report, approximately two-thirds of released prisoners are rearrested within three years after release and more than half are returned to prison.

What’s also helping,a ccording to renowned criminologist Joan Petersilia, Adelbert H. Sweet Professor of Law and faculty co-director of the Stanford Criminal Justice Center, is rehabilitation itself has been subjected to more rigorous analysis, and we have increasingly strong evidence about what works and what doesn’t. Rehabilitation used to be considered at least an equal partner to retributive punishment in the U.S. penal system, but it fell out of favor in the 1970s and largely disappeared as a priority as the war on drugs and tough-on-crime political rhetoric escalated in the 1980s. By the 1990s, prisons were so crowded that classrooms were stuffed with bunks and education and other programs were drastically reduced. Nonetheless, sociologists, progressive judges and prosecutors, and others continued to experiment with programs designed to try to at least short-circuit the criminal careers of young offenders before they become lifetime criminals. “We are starting to amass a large body of scientific literature on evidence-based practice and how to approach rehabilitation,” says Petersilia. Perhaps just as significant, political leaders are more interested in gathering that data to inform policies aimed at lowering recidivism in the offender population. Petersilia, for example, was invited by Governor Schwarzenegger to advise on the substantial 2009 reforms to the state’s parole system. And data gathered by Petersilia and her colleagues here at Stanford Law School have influenced major legislation in the state, covering various aspects of corrections reform, from funding for community corrections to re-entry centers, rehabilitation programs in prison, and more.

BarnacleBill's avatar

Make two years of college or vocational training free. Stop high school at 11th grade, and have people test into trade/junior college, college prep, military or manual labor. Adequately fund lower school education so that class sizes are reduced and children are not promoted until they master material.

Winters's avatar

@BarnacleBill Nice plan and all, but it would still screw over quite a few kids.

963chris's avatar

how about putting em to work doing something useful + actually taking away the rights of the individual which should include telephones, cell phones, television, internet, etc. seems that a lotta times one hears about these ‘inmate luxuries’. that or mebbe we should set up prisons in the style of the panopticon which foucault speaks of with little or no socialization amongst prisoners. there was also an interesting study about wearing different colored garments + painting the interior spaces differently (e.g. pink).

xxii's avatar

Education.

RoseC's avatar

@bkcunningham Thanks for posting that article—it was an interesting read.

I think it all comes back to the root causes of why prisoners got arrested in the first place and the circumstances leading up to that. Providing inmates with education and opportunities to develop marketable skills would help to break the poverty cycle. Even so, it shouldn’t have to wait until they get mixed up with the law. Parents need to be more involved in the lives of their children and help them to develop the self-discipline needed to be successful. Teachers in the schools have a responsibility to serve their students to the best of their abilities, but they can’t be expected to carry the entire burden as parents refuse to be part of the learning process. That’s probably a whole different discussion topic, though. :)

stratman37's avatar

Cool church sign I saw: “The best way to prevent crime is to stop raising criminals”

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

I really think that the majority of crime is due to poverty. In this recession, crime has really increased. People who are desperate will take desperate measures. People have to eat and have to have a place to live. Others who are languishing in jail are there for our myriad of stupid laws, like smoking a joint or sitting in the back seat of a car sipping on a beer. Our jails are so glutted with people who were unfortunate enough to be caught doing something that I wouldn’t call a crime, like sending an ex-girlfriend a nasty e-mail or losing their job and not being able to pay a fine, that there is hardly room for the rapists, thieves and murderers who should be in jail.

Sayd_Whater's avatar

Hi ppl! Tnx all for your answers – I still think we could find many other solutions, so I asked my friends, and here are our conclusions:
1. If someone is starting a criminal life shouldn’t be locked up with other criminals. (He’ll just get worst!)
2. Although we consider ourselfs against death penalty – Everyone could remember an horrible situation where it would be correctly applied :(
3. It’s important to give different punishments to a different type of criminals – once ones can be truly psico-patients – while others not.
4. Keeping people away from civilization will not help them in recovery or teach them to live in society.
5. Life sentence will only increase state expenses.
6. People don’t want to support criminals.
7. Poverty funds criminal rates – Give young criminal equal opputunities and teach them to develop good skills to survive and make a living would help them growing into honest men.

- Someone suggested that if it was possible to video control them at all times – They probably wouldn’t commit crimes if they’d know their mother, and the intire world were watching, but they still had to support themselves, and all the necessary equipment.

- Someone also suggested the criminal island so that they couldn’t botter anyone else, and no one have to support them.

I wonder what you think of this.

BarnacleBill's avatar

According to the FL Dept of Corrections the cost for keeping a prisoner is approximately the same as sending someone to a state university and having them live on campus. In California the cost approximates sending them to Harvard, Princeton or Penn. Interestingly, the largest category of cost is medical care, at $8,700 whereas academic, vocational training and substance abuse program expenditures are around $1,600.

BarnacleBill's avatar

I do realize the actual largest expenditure in CA is security.

mattbrowne's avatar

Good parenting. Incentives for good parenting.

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