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What is wrong with a slave protesting to their "Massah"?

Asked by josie (30934points) July 26th, 2011

The current debate between Republicans and Democrats about federal spending has an analogue in our (American) past.

If a 19th Century Southern black slave had protested to their “Massah” that they were tired of being exploited and wanted a break, and “Massah” had replied that they are greedy and unreasonable, so shut up and work harder, many people would consider that to be an abominable response, worthy of moral indignation.

If modern day slaves, the American taxpayer, protest (via their duly elected representatives) to their “Massah”, the Federal Government Establishment, that they are tired of being exploited, and “Massah” tells them that they are greedy and unreasonable, so shut up and pay more, that is considered to be a perfectly acceptable political position.

Isn’t that a contradiction?

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mazingerz88's avatar

Bad analogy, I’m sorry. Taxpayers are not slaves. Taxpayers, especially those as rich as emperors will never know how it is to be really a slave.

Taxpayers who love to complain should have never voted for a president who invaded a country who did not attack it and spent billions of dollars a month funding it, raided social security coffers and did not have a plan then on how to pay for it except, guess what…tax cuts-!

filmfann's avatar

Sure, it’s just the little differences, like the slaves had those chains to bind them, while the “taxpayers” have their mortgages and car payments. Of course the slaves weren’t actually paid, while the “taxpayers” sometimes need 2 years to make enough to buy that Maserati.
Isaac Jaffe was right. White people should not be allowed to use slave analogies.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

We’ll see how perfectly acceptable this political position actually is with the next election.

nikipedia's avatar

What the fuck? The problem with slavery was SLAVERY, not “Massah”‘s reluctance to listen to slaves’ protests.

PhiNotPi's avatar

That is a really bad comparison. But anyway, America does not have the highest tax rate in the world, that title would belong to Denmark, with the wealthiest paying a 63% tax rate. Americans aren’t paying too much tax, we just aren’t spending the money efficiently. If we spent it efficiently, the savings would follow naturally.

cletrans2col's avatar

@mazingerz88 ..or voted for a president who spend billions on a failed “stimulus” and created a new government entitlement program that will cause us billions that we cannot afford.

Jaxk's avatar

Probably a bad analogy just like any analogy that includes Hitler is bad. The point gets lost in the over riding evil associated with it.

wundayatta's avatar

Once again, @josie, you ask a question that is so wrong on so many levels that it boggles the mind. But keep those missives from planet Josie coming. It’s interesting to see our world in a reverse inside out mirror.

Um, guess who the government is? Yeah, you know the one I mean. The one imposing all those horrible taxes? The government is you, Josie, and millions of other voting Americans. All those reps who want to gut services and entitlements are part of the government that taxes you.

What is going on here is that you are whining because you don’t get your way in legislation. You are not a slave protesting to your master. You are a taxpayer protesting to other taxpayers. This is not remotely close to the institution of slavery, except, of course, on Planet Josie.

I don’t think I’d want to visit Planet Josie, but I might look at the video. Of course, I’m not really a big fan of the horror genre.

Pandora's avatar

Look I’m no fan of taxes but I really can’t compare it to slavery. The money to run the government has to come from somewhere. We just can’t print paper up and dish it out.
My only objection to taxes is all the stupid little taxes for the slightest thing. I think state taxes should take care of everything for the state your in and federal taxes should take care of everything federal.
No taxes no government workers, no government workers than where will our military come from?
Who manages SS? Who watches our rivers and lakes and lands for chemical poisoning?
We aren’t a small community where everone knows everyone. So we do our best to always help our neighbors and our community.
Whats done is done. At this point all we can do is brace for the worst and hope for the best.

josie's avatar

@wundayatta
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Zaku's avatar

Why was it helpful to use “Massah” in this question?

woodcutter's avatar

I thought it was foul. I didn’t vote for Obama but damn.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Josie I love your questions man, even though we have different world views. Thanks for having balls man.

Your question implies that there are massah’s and slaves. And it implies that people identify as a a massah or slave.

So at some point, somebody got in there head that they were a massah, and other people were slaves trying to take their shit unfairly.

Now, I do pretty well, and I don’t even think about taxes, because I want cops to protect me, and my kids to have happy teachers, and I don’t worry that anybody is fucking with me, cause I can beat the shit out of most people, and if I have extra money and I have plenty to share with those who don’t and may need some.

The last thing I worry about is slaves trying to take from massah, If the slaves tell me they need more, I am a bad massah. The people who trust me in a leadership position are suffering. If they are suffering I don’t deserve to be doing well at all, and they should be absolutely taking my shit from me.

Haleth's avatar

Really bad analogy. The use of the word “massah” there is just… ugh. Awful.

Anyway, we can just elect new representatives if we’re not happy. At least we get a vote. The early American colonists were taxed and had no say in it, and they revolted- that analogy fits better, but still isn’t quite right. Might you be a tea partier?

breedmitch's avatar

I guess freedom of speech doesn’t guarantee freedom from really tasteless speech.

ragingloli's avatar

A more appropriate analogy would be that the slaves are complaining to their elected slave union whose function is to make life for the slaves more livable, and which has been largely infiltrated by the slave owners, to spend less money on making their lives livable and instead take less money from the slave owners, so that the slave owners can buy more slaves and treat the already owned slaves better. The problem there is that the slave owners will not buy more slaves nor treat their already owned slaves better, but just pocket the extra money. But then the slaves see no problem with the slave union spending all the 670 billion a year on wars that are waged for the slave owners’ benefit

cletrans2col's avatar

Get off your high horses, people.

mazingerz88's avatar

@cletrans2col Cmon failed stimulus? Then where did this economy we are still talking about came from? Only an insane person would believe that this problem is fixable in 10 years.

cletrans2col's avatar

@mazingerz88 Only hacks for the left believe that this economy is improving.

mazingerz88's avatar

@cletrans2col oh there’s no doubt about that…

bea2345's avatar

A better analogy for the process of tax collection would be the bandit at the crossroads. That’s how most tax systems began. While collecting the tax, the bandit did protect the traveler from other bandits. Similarly, the modern tax system provides the means for state run services, such as communications, security, etc.

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