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LostInParadise's avatar

Does the SCOTUS decision allowing prayers at city council meetings mean the return of public school prayers?

Asked by LostInParadise (17824 points ) May 9th, 2014

I want to discuss this from a purely legal point of view. I must be missing something since none of the justices on either side said anything about public schools. If a majority of publicly elected officials can impose their will on the rest in regard to prayer, in addition to anyone else attending the meeting, why can’t a classroom of students do the same thing?

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ragingloli's avatar

One can only hope this shit backfires on those theocrats, and people start loudly praying to Allah or Satan.

JLeslie's avatar

I don’t think so. At least I hope not. I think city council meetings have always been tricky since our President actually brings God and prayer into events where he addresses the nation.

Dan_Lyons's avatar

The separation of Church and State. Hmmmm. is a city council the State?

If a majority of publicly elected officials can impose their will on the rest in regard to prayer, in addition to anyone else attending the meeting, why can’t a classroom of students do the same thing?”

Because the students are just children, whereas the elected officials seem to make up rules as they go.

rojo's avatar

Probably. Give these guys an inch and they will shove it as far up as they can get it.

DominicX's avatar

Well, public school prayers meaning what? I don’t care if kids pray in a public school, I care if the teacher leads the classroom in prayer.

BhacSsylan's avatar

@DominicX That would be the issue, yes. The childrens’ right to pray in school was never in doubt.

Yetanotheruser's avatar

Prayer happens in public school with every test.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Not yet, but my guess is that public school – government sanctioned prayer – will be legally approved within 5 years.

LuckyGuy's avatar

@elbanditoroso I’m willing to bet it goes the other way with the decision being appealed and reversed. (Look how many times Rowe V Wade is brought up.) There will be more court cases and appeals. More people will want representation: Islamic prayer, Satanic. Flying Spaghetti Monster, Atheists united, Boko Haram…..

i can’t wait for some independent to start keeping track of prayer participation vs. the decisions of the Town Board meetings of the Town of Greece (where the court case started).. If someone does not pray and their request is denied can they show it was their religion and prejudice that caused the denial? I would not be surprised if there are people in attendance already keeping close track of this.

At the end of the month the leader of the town board will have to count up and do a tally.of decisions based upon religion . “Uh oh! We agreed with Christians 85% of the time but non-Christians 55%. That means we have to pass anything a non-Christian wants for the next 4 days or we will be sued.”

This is why there is a separation of Church and State.

Shall we bet a coffee on it?

gorillapaws's avatar

@Yetanotheruser Everyone has the right to pray in public school. Anyone “against prayer in school” would vehemently defend any particular student’s right to express their religious belief through prayer or otherwise. What’s unconstitutional is for the school to lead the prayer or to have organized prayer time. It crosses the line when the school being funded by public funds is being used to endorse a particular religion or religion in general.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@LuckyGuy – you’re on.

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