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Is it possible to 'honour' the 3rd Reich without glorifying the Holocaust?

Asked by ragingloli (51970points) January 12th, 2015

Of course the answer is “Of course not”, but feel free to try anyway.

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rojo's avatar

Well, they had a really great wardrobe department. The uniforms were so avant-garde.

zenvelo's avatar

Nope, because the whole structure was corrupt from the ground up.

@rojo The brownshirts weren’t very stylish, and most of them ate too many sausages.

rojo's avatar

@zenvelo
That is true, but when you view the Reich Military Culture in its entirety, comparing and contrasting the early Pre-Classic Reich through the Terminal Classic and onward to the Post-Classic Era you observe the evolution and splendour of the Martial Uniform and varied Collar Glyphs and cannot help but be impressed with what they accomplished give such a short (relatively) timeframe and limited color scheme.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Honor? No.

Study? Yes.

Zaku's avatar

Honor the Third Reich? Hmm, I think the closest thing, without ignoring all the horrible things it did, nor adopting its horrible philosophies, would be to acknowledge all of it through objective and complete historical study.

Of course, there were also many accomplishments and well-meaning people, and people living by honor codes, under the Third Reich, though not so many of those are attributable to the Third Reich per se, as much as they were the accomplishments of those people, and/or stemmed from European and German culture, etc.

Pachy's avatar

@elbanditoroso has it exactly right.

filmfann's avatar

Aside from the Holocaust? They also killed many deaf and disabled. Do we consider them as part of the holocaust? There is also their involvement in the deaths of all those Soviets, the bombing of London, and the betrayal of treaties with Poland, etc… Shall we focus on their suppression of art and music? All you really have left are very stylish leather fashions.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

I guess the Reich can be honored in the same way the US can for raping and pillaging the Native Americans, slavery which has done as much damage as the holocaust but because it was done in slow drip fashion over a few centuries, it never seemed that bad, colonizing the world underhandedly with veiled threats or economic extortion and using innocent people to test out its nuke, then hypocritically want to say who can and can’t have them because they might use them as the US has; you can do in in about the same manner.

jaytkay's avatar

Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

JLeslie's avatar

I have wondered if there are Germans who disagree with the genocide of the holocaust, but still are very proud of their ancestors who served as soldiers under Hitler. In America many southerners fly the confederate flag and are proud of the people in their families who fought in the civil war.

People who fought in a war for secession and slavery.

@filmfann Absolutely the disabled who were murdered count! And, the Christians who were killed for helping Jews. I always try to say 9 million were killed, 6 million of which were Jews.

kritiper's avatar

Of course you can but only to a degree. It was the politicians who set up and operated the concentration camps, not the individual soldiers who were VERY dedicated, motivated, trained, and sharply dressed!

Coloma's avatar

@elbanditoroso Nailed it. Wish I could have expressed it that simply in this questions twin about the Confederacy.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

I think parts of their operation can be admired, but honour is not the right word. They were militarily brilliant, except for the whole breaking of the non-aggression pact with Russia thing. They were highly effective in their domestic politics, unparalleled military engineers, and showed great courage in combat. Hitler himself was a skilled orator and a clever politician, who decided to use his skills for unspeakable evil. The fact that the leaders of the Third Reich were some of the worst sociopaths in history, carrying out genocide and horrific experimentation against several different racial groups is unforgivable. And for this reason a lot of the lessons to learn from them have been missed.

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