Did you think they would stop with overturning Roe?

Of course not. If they could get away with it, they would work towards reinstating slavery.

^^ I’m sure they are working on THAT too. :(

I’m not sure I would go as far as @ragingloli but I think that

-acceptance of non-christian religions
-gay rights in general
-interracial marriage
-contraception, birth control
-medicare
-social security

and a whole host of other freedoms… are at risk.

People in this country that can still form rational thought and have a true sense of right and wrong as well as being able to understand the meaning of EQUAL rights along with reading AND comprehending the meaning of the first amendment shall squelch all these radical far right nut-jobs and eliminate this threat for once and for all.

@RayaHope – but there is a sizeable population out there that

1) do not think rationally
2) do not care about right and wrong—only their own way
3) absolutely do not believe in equal rights (whites only, for example)

In the rural US – in the south and parts of the western US – those people are yearning to go back to the 1850s.

@elbanditoroso Those people are mentally challenged and should be institutionalized. Maybe given free passage to Antarctica where they can start their own crazy psychopathic/narcissistic no rights suicide society. Look like the 1850s in no time.

No, I think the anti-abortion faction wants abortion to be illegal for everyone (except perhaps themselves or their own mistresses and daughters), and if they had their way, they’d imprison or kill everyone who enables or has an abortion as if they were murderers.

Also minimum wage would be set to $0.00/hour.

They have been trying to get rid of Planned Parenthood for YEARS. Nothing about limiting women’s access is new. Especially for minors for YEARS the pro-life movement has done everything possibly to prevent women under 18 from having access to abortions and health decisions regarding pregnancy, and at the same time the most fanatic of the religious right are ok with marrying off girls at young ages.

You have people like the founder of Dominoes Pizza, Tom Monaghan, who wants to use his billions to create another Catholic university and a Catholic town around it where doctors won’t have to prescribe birth control, rather won’t be able to prescribe it.

You have those billionaire Dominionists in Texas who are funding far right candidates and control Republicans who would be more moderate, but they know going up against these billionaires will likely be their demise politically. It’s explained on the CNN Special Report: Deep in the Pockets of Texas if you want to try to find it on demand. I think it originally aired on June 24th if memory serves. It is worth watching.

They go after public school funding, trying to move the money to private schools, which translates to religious schools. The more religious schools the more kids will be going to religious schools. They constantly go after public schools saying children are being indoctrinated and influenced to be liberal and gay and trans and sexually active at young ages. They think of public schools as encouraging disobedience and pushing false information and pushing a narrative against God.

They push policy to give government money to religious organizations.

They are still trying to go after gay marriage again.

They won’t stop, although we can hope their numbers will diminish. For now, the numbers are too big to ignore, and they do have influence. This goes back to the founding of the United States. More recently you can look at the civil war, segregation, the old KKK is now QAnon, and connected around the world, they are not just in America, but in America they have a bigger following, because we allow hate speech and all sorts of lunacy.

To be clear, I am not accusing all religious people of being fanatics, it is fanatics who are influencing a lot of this extremism though. Most religious people in America understand how important separation of church and state is, and even the Popes for the last 50 years (maybe more) accept the theory of evolution.

No telling. But TX didn’t overrule RvW. The SCOTUS did. They determined that the federal government should have any say in reproductive treatments.

As for TX in particular, the rules they have in place are very similar to RvW. They are not like the more left leaning radical PPvC, however.

But it’s interesting that many on this page consider anyone that disagrees with their viewpoint to be mentally deficient. Look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder. “Narcissists are motivated by the desire to use a heavy hand to control a person’s response to them, but having a high sense of self-esteem doesn’t typically reflect a need to control others, but rather self-satisfaction. Narcissists are incapable of much empathy and typically use their limited people skills in ways that serve them in their bids for attention and praise.”

That pretty much describes a lot of what is written here. look at what was used as proof of your views: a statement from a spokesman for Planned Parenthood…an organization that has a huge benefit from stirring people up to get radical about abortion. And the statement is an opinion that is not backed up with facts and is designed to incense those that are desperate to get justfication for their views

@seawulf575 your quote:“Narcissists are motivated by the desire to use a heavy hand to control a person’s response to them, but having a high sense of self-esteem doesn’t typically reflect a need to control others, but rather self-satisfaction. Narcissists are incapable of much empathy and typically use their limited people skills in ways that serve them in their bids for attention and praise.” describes trump and the GOP perfectly.

Planned Parenthood…an organization that has a huge benefit for protecting the rights of women. Something that you seem to constantly overlook every single time the words “reproductive health” come up. You do realize the word choice means there is more than one, don’t you? You don’t get that either.

” And the statement is an opinion that is not backed up with facts”...Did you not read the article? Judge Approves Contraception Suit Come man, you are slipping in YOUR design to incense those that are desperate to get justfication for their views.

NPD does describe Trump and the GOP. It describes most US politicians for the past 80 years. But it also describes this group pretty well. Take yourself as a perfect example. My opinions offend you and you immediately go to slamming Trump because you know your confederates will cheer. If you look, I didn’t bring politicians into it, except possibly by coincidence (if some of your confederates are politicians).

You are ranting about all the good PP does. They have always claimed abortions are not a big part of their income. Then here comes their spokesman who swears TX is going to take away women’s health. They always swore that was the bulk of their income stream, but RvW had nothing to do with women’s health. There really are no laws that stop PP from practicing women’s health, other than abortions. So ask yourself if PP does most of their business on women’s health and only a minor portion on abortion, why are they even putting out the statement they did? Women’s health is still available to all women. And then ask yourself why you are buying into their opinions?

Fascist comes to mind !

Women’s health includes ALL forms of health including abortions, PP is a target of right wing / Fascist / GOP and . . . certain members of Fluther !

@Tropical_Willie there was a summary of 36 studies in China in the 2012–2013 timeframe. The focus was to look at adverse reactions to the forced abortions they were pushing. These studies covered 14 provinces. The conclusion was that women who had 1 abortion had an increased rate of breast cancer and that rate continued to climb the more abortions a woman had. So how exactly is abortion part of women’s health?

But maybe you secretly want abortions because you know many blacks get them and you are a racist.

Hyperbolic logic, right on course for planet Xenon . . . impressive.

No – I did not.

But I don’t expect that anyone will really look carefully at the legal issues involved in this decision either.

Everyone can, and will have some opinion about the politics involved. The politics are everywhere, and they suck.

But legally this ruling is a piece of shit, and will not survive review on appeal.

They might discontinue free emergency room services for illegitimate immigrants, and everyone else who can not afford it.

They would increase funding to the military.
They would pull out of the nuclear weapons ban treaty.
I don’t think that they would go as far as requesting that soldiers provide their own gear, but rather allow rich soldiers to the good stuff.

@seawulf575 Am I correct that you are saying nothing has changed in TX regarding abortions since Roe was overturned? Here’s an article about that. https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-your-rights/abortion-texas Seems like plenty has changed. The way I read it, TX wants to ban all abortions or at least limit it to 6 weeks. It’s not just one stray person in power in TX, it’s a mindset of plenty in power.

I don’t doubt for a second it was difficult to get an abortion in TX even when Roe was in force. Texas probably didn’t have a lot of places to get an abortion done and maybe even had some of those places that act like they give abortions and instead try to convince the pregnant woman to keep her pregnancy. Texas probably had all sorts of waiting laws and parent notification and whatever it could do to inhibit a woman’s access, especially in certain parts of the state it was probably harder than others.

@JLeslie To start with, don’t use the ACLU for you facts. I recently posted (in another thread) the actual laws that are on the books in TX. What you just posted is political propaganda. It is true they outlawed and made criminal penalties for abortions…that weren’t done by doctor in a medical facility In other words, they outlawed those back alley abortions that the left always screams about. They did put some criteria into getting an abortion such as having to have 2 doctors sign off on it being a health threat to the mother for later term abortions. They really didn’t have any restrictions before about 10 weeks. I believe they are still using the fetal heartbeat as the starting point for the restrictions.

The ACLU doesn’t really tell you that. They present the hair-on-fire exaggerations/lies that PP uses. Let me point out a couple of contradictions on the page you cited:

“with narrow exemptions for the life and health of pregnant people.“__“Is abortion legal in Texas?
No, not unless an examining physician determines that a pregnant person’s life is in danger.”

Now I may be wrong, but that doesn’t sound like a “narrow exception”. What it MAY mean is that you can’t go to PP where they will say your health is at stake just to help you make money for them with an abortion. The doctor has to fully document, with medical test results, that the person’s life was indeed in danger.

The ACLU article is full of contradictions like this and/or just flat out lies about what the laws actually say.

@seawulf575 I have no problem agreeing that how the ACLU reports it might be slanted, but for you to say PP is telling women their health is at stake is bullshit. It’s pro-lifers who tell women that if they get an abortion they’ll probably never be able to get pregnant again or it they do they have more chance they won’t be able to carry.

I don’t even understand your statement about narrow. If the only exception is life of the mother after 6 weeks, then they aren’t making exceptions for fetal abnormality, rape or incest, unless they are and it just wasn’t included here.

So, what about the 6 weeks? Is it limited to 6 weeks now in TX. That’s crazy short.

@JLeslie It wasn’t me that said PP was saying that, it was in the original question. ”“Abortion opponents in Texas won’t stop with overturning Roe—they are actively working to strip away access to basic health care services and restrict everyone’s ability to control their own lives, bodies, and futures.” Now, I agree with you that the statement is bullshit, but they did say it.

As for the “narrow” comment it was pointing out how the ACLU talked out of both sides of their mouth. In one statement they say that there are narrow exemptions for the life and health of pregnant people but in another statement they say abortion IS legal if the examining physician determines the mother’s life is in danger. Doesn’t sound narrow at all…it sounds normal and responsible. Narrow would be much more restrictive than that.

6 weeks? That is, again, the slant. TX goes with fetal heartbeat. it CAN be detected as early as 6 weeks, but usually 10 weeks is the timeframe. But hey, if you want abortions for all no matter what, claiming the law says 6 weeks sounds scary, doesn’t it?

@seawulf575 I just told you why it is narrow to only have that one exception.

Fetal heartbeat is the age old parameter that has allowed women to die when doctors decide the fetus’ heartbeat is more important than the mothers and/or doctors are afraid of going to jail because there is a fetal heartbeat.

I didn’t say it’s bullshit that abortion opponents are reducing health care accessibility for women, especially poor women, that is true. They pro-lifers have been actively trying to close down planned parenthood’s for years.

@JLeslie That isn’t the only exception. From the SB8 in TX: ”(2) the physician who is to perform or induce the abortion or the physician’s agent informs the pregnant woman that:
_(A) medical assistance benefits may be available
for prenatal care, childbirth, and neonatal care;_
(B) the father is liable for assistance in the support of the child without regard to whether the father has offered to pay for the abortion; and
(C) public and private agencies provide pregnancy prevention counseling and medical referrals for obtaining pregnancy prevention medications or devices, including emergency contraception for victims of rape or incest;”

As you can see, rape or incest ARE addressed and are allowed for emergency contraceptions.

Fetal heartbeat is used as a starting point. It is the point where the fetus is doing something independent of the mother. It is no longer a group of cells…it is something living. And as I have pointed out numerous times, the TX laws allow for an abortion if the mother’s life is in danger. And no, the doctors are not in danger of going to jail.

No, you didn’t say it was bullshit that abortion opponents are reducing health care accessibility for women. But what that means is that you believe they are. And that is what PP is screaming and fear mongering about. But think about your last sentence for a moment. ” pro-lifers have been actively trying to close down planned parenthood’s for years.” They only do that because PP is/was the largest provider of abortions probably in the world, except possibly for the Chinese government. But as I pointed out to @RayaHope earlier, PP claims that abortions are a minor part of their income stream. They claim that other women’s health items are their main income stream. Yet honestly, if PP wasn’t doing so many abortions, do you believe pro-lifers (those against abortion) would be so vehement to close down PP? C’mon, you are smarter than that. And if PP agreed to stop doing abortions completely it is likely that there would be no more issues between pro-lifers and PP.

I recommend you find a new role model and source of information. But, when you want participation, ask a flame bait question like this, particularly regarding the legal killing of babies.

Do you think questions belong in the social section. My opinion.

@SnipSnip I’m sorry if asking you to think does not seem like a serious or critical option for you. This is about a woman’s right to her own body and reproductive health.

@seawulf575 If you are saying emergency contraception is an abortion, that depends on who you talk to, but ok let’s call it an abortion, even though most people see it as pregnancy prevention. That’s within 72 hours of intercourse, so it falls within the heartbeat rule anyway. It’s a given that it’s legal, unless TX isn’t allowing any termination of pregnancies except for the life of the mother, and that seems precarious also to me. Which is it?

Regarding the heartbeat, that’s why the woman in Ireland wasn’t given an abortion for her miscarrying pregnancy. There was still a heartbeat, and the doctors wouldn’t abort. She died from sepsis.

@Jleslie I’m not saying anything, the TX law made that statement. And emergency contraceptives could be interpreted as the medication that can be used to terminate an abortion.

As for the woman in Ireland, I blame the doctors and hospital for that one. I suspect the docs were told to do no abortions even though Irish law allows them just like TX…if the mothers life is at risk.

Steve Bannon has repeatedly said the goal of his movement should be to “tear everything down”.
They won’t stop until America is totally destroyed, and in the hands of fascists who masquerade as “patriots”.

@seawulf575 The law influences the behavior.

The emergency contraception is within 72 hours. If TX allows abortion before the heartbeat then no mention of the emergency contraception is even necessary, it’s not an exception it’s just the law that any woman can get an abortion at will. I consider it deceptive in trying to sound like they make exception for rape and incest. The same way the news makes it sound like in FL DeSantis said no exceptions for rape and incest, but they ignore his law any woman can get ab abortion through 15 weeks. I know you will only hear the DeSantis part of my statement and ignore what I’m saying about TX.

@JLeslie, surprisingly I heard more about TX in your comment than DeSantis. The way the Emergency Contraceptives was mentioned makes me think they are referring to more than a Plan B which would be only the first couple days. As I said they might be talking about chemically aborting the fetus. I suspect they put it in there to make it clear it can be done in cases of rape or incest

@seawulf575 Are you saying you interpret the TX law as making exceptions for rape and incest after a heartbeat?

Not my law to interpret. But it seems odd they would put the statement in there if it really meant nothing. And you know me…things that don’t make sense make me question

Nope. Too much political cloui for a certain political party. Not of the child grows up to be used as target practice thoughts and prayers.

@NoMore I really don’t understand your answer. Do you want to clarify?

I was being a smart ass. I meant they are so worried about a fetus but school kids getting gunned down by some lunatic is no issue to them. @RayaHope

Oh yes that is horrific and so sad. Still being in school myself, I am aware of this stuff all the time and it is in the back of my mind. I do see what you mean now with that explanation. I’m so glad we have been spared so far here.