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Is this legal and to what degree is it?

Asked by CuriousLoner (1812points) July 15th, 2013

A buddy showed me a video of this guy walking around video taping in public. No specific reason or anything.

Here is link to his videos on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/user/SurveillantCameraMan?feature=watch

Is this legal or not? Or exactly what can he do and can’t do in terms of recording/video taping?

Also try not to get caught up in “principle” I mostly want to know strictly the laws of it. Although I was surprised at quickly people escalated into threats and force. Few times people chased or put hands on him.

Pretty funny though and a little sad to think people are so insecure in many ways…. How would you react to something like this?

Thanks!

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YARNLADY's avatar

In a recent case here, the judge said people in public places have no reasonable expectation of privacy, and the recorder was let go.

CuriousLoner's avatar

@YARNLADY Link to story or just local thing?

bkcunningham's avatar

You can’t video tape on private property. Public spaces are a different story. This link explains what is legal in the US.

CuriousLoner's avatar

Just curious anyone watched any of his video(s)?

How would you react?

bkcunningham's avatar

I watched two of the videos.

bkcunningham's avatar

I don’t like to have my photo taken. I wouldn’t say a word or have my voice on the recording. I would slip out of view.

CuriousLoner's avatar

@bkcunningham Is photography and video taping going to be considered same overall?

Thanks for link, but is that really all there is to it?

bkcunningham's avatar

I think that’s about it.

CWOTUS's avatar

Taking video is one thing, but recording audio (conversation) without permission may be illegal, and posting it without permission definitely is. But I can’t imagine that a prosecutor would make a criminal case out of that unless it escalates to… something worse. Any one of those who whose voice was recorded could make a civil complaint, and then guess how long it would take to come up to trial, IF they found and could then afford the attorney to bring the complaint.

CuriousLoner's avatar

@CWOTUS
Is this what you think or know for fact? Not trying to get under your skin, but haven’t gotten any real concrete answer or in depth.

So this guy should be in trouble then right? It is all over internet. Least youtube anyways.

I am also little confused doesn’t that contradict what @bkcunningham article said? Unless I misunderstood.

CWOTUS's avatar

Read the section in @bkcunningham‘s link for “Special considerations when videotaping”. I see no conflict.

geeky_mama's avatar

Wow. It’s hard for me to watch these – it bothers me to see that this person is taking video of people that clearly don’t want to be recorded. It reminds me of paparazzi – who invade the privacy of movie actors. It just strikes me as terribly wrong.

Looking at the link from @bkcunningham it says:
“When you are on private property, the property owner may set rules about the taking of photographs. If you disobey the property owner’s rules, they can order you off their property (and have you arrested for trespassing if you do not comply).”

Certainly the filming this guy was doing in the college classrooms could have been considered trespassing. If he was not a registered student, his entering those classrooms would construe trespassing, right?
And, even if he was an enrolled student at that school, the school could take action against him for disrupting classes.
What I found most interesting is that the homeless men he filmed instantly took matters into their own hands and chased after the guy threatening to smash his camera or kick his butt. The folks on the college campus were much more patient with him (though, I agree with the female instructor who called 911. If a strange man walked into my classroom in this day and age I’d call 911, too.)

Moreover, if I found that he’d recorded me and put me on YouTube you can be sure I’d be contacting YouTube to have the video removed.

Legal or not (in public spaces) what this person is doing by filming people is very wrong. It’s not about being insecure—it’s a violation of privacy to have your likeness and voice posted to the internet without your permission.

CWOTUS's avatar

From the little bit that I watched of the first video on the page, it appears that he’s trying to make a point (which is missed by everyone who’s in camera range): “This is what your government is doing to you – or is going to do to you – only more discreetly. If you don’t like this, just wait to see what’s coming. Or maybe you won’t see it, but it’ll be there.”

This is currently a big quality of life complaint in the UK, for example, where publicly mounted security cameras are pretty much ubiquitous in all cities and most towns, from what I read.

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