If bra burning was to demonstrate liberation from men, because women still wear them, what are they liberated from today?

Bras are symbolic of women for many reasons. One is, it is a garment men don’t wear. Women still now, and especially the last ten year, wear a ridiculous amount of squeeze into undergarments. A very popular brand is Spanx. Thank God some reports are coming out about how bad they can be for you. I see women especially on TV who are so obviously “spanked” from the bra line to the thighs it is ridiculous. They can barely move. I think we had a lull during the 70’s and 80’s where women were less sucked in, and less pushed up. We were naturally thinner than today, and some of the clothing styles were more structured, especially in the 80’s, so the very uncomfortable garments were less necessary.

I think women, especially over the age of 50, would still like to be liberated from feeling like they have to have zero wrinkles and wear a size 4. I’m not sure if men put more pressure on them or women do to conform to some sort of ideal. Men certainly don’t help by being attracted to younger women; so many of them are.

Natural.

Like birth control and air conditioning and iPhones.

Yes, natural is totally the most desired thing among greater society.

If you’ll notice, women who don’t wear bras are sexualised more overtly than women who wear typical undergarments.

Which you’ll know full well, as you subscribe to this bouncy nipple fetish and love nothing more than an excuse to discuss pencil tests and the effects of cool air and t-shirt fabric.

^^Bravo, Seek This is how HC phishes for fap material.

Hey, HC, why don’t you just come out and ask everyone to talk dirty to you?

Today women are liberated from the idea that men own them. They are liberated from the need to be married to be accepted by society. They are liberated from the need to burn their bras. They are even liberated from the need to have a man make love to her to make a baby.

Soon they may even get equal pay for doing the same work as a man, although this doesn’t look too promising.

hc must be old…

He is.

Keep that in mind when you read his questions about slutty preteen girls.

^^^^ hahahahahaha

isnt that the same person that talked about cookies and pencil inspectors or something

Yes. One of his favourite topics of conversation is trying to convince women that they do not need to wear bras if their underboob can’t hold up a pencil.

That would be a great job, determining if women need to wear a bra. I would love to be the pencil inspector! Where do I submit my resume?

@JLeslie I think women, especially over the age of 50, would still like to be liberated from feeling like they have to have zero wrinkles and wear a size 4. I’m not sure if men put more pressure on them or women do to conform to some sort of ideal.
They can simply collectively stop doing it. They can treat it as cohabitation as oppose to marriage; people just figured they would bypass marriage and live as though they are, so women can simply say I will live my life as nature aged me.

@Seek Let me take out my scalpel and trim away some of these –lies- misconceptions, less I use a hatchet; for there is plenty here to hack away at.
If you’ll notice, women who don’t wear bras are sexualised more overtly than women who wear typical undergarments.
So you are making a tacit acknowledgment that women are still de facto cowing to the whims of men; as they say? For what should they care if what they wear be it leggings, yoga pants, mini skirt, Daisy Dukes, a potato sack, power pant suit, ballerina tutu, or whatever gives some random guy eye candy if it is comfortable for them to wear and it is what they choose to wear? Seems like to not wear something or not to wear something because of what one believes others will think, gives some power to random observers whom they don’t know and may never see again once passed in the bank, dry cleaners, etc.

Which you’ll know full well, as you subscribe to this bouncy nipple fetish and love nothing more than an excuse to discuss pencil tests and the effects of cool air and t-shirt fabric.
If you know what I am thinking what was I just thinking? Oops, you were wrong AGAIN, better fine tune your powers of clairvoyance, they are way off again. The thought of the pencil test did not come to mind, but since you brought it up, I guess you are thinking of it more than I.

Keep that in mind when you read his questions about slutty preteen girls.
<Head shake> Don’t know whose questions you are looking at, I have no such questions.

One of his favourite topics of conversation is trying to convince women that they do not need to wear bras if their underboob can’t hold up a pencil.
No…….you are so, so wrong again. I am just pointing out the glaring hypocrisy around them, but your opening salvo proved the reason why those who don’t do; they feel subconscious they are giving some men, and maybe some gay women, a show, at least that is one thing you have gotten right. Don’t hate those women who can actually pass, those of you who can’t have a remedy, if you have enough money you can go visit them and get the procedure done.

@Espiritus_Corvus @Seek My thought was if wearing them were a symbol of men’s oppression of women, it was a major Titanic like fail.

@trailsillustrated isnt that the same person that talked about cookies and pencil inspectors or something
Read the details……this has zero to do with a pencil test, in case you missed it. :-)

@Dan_Lyons That would be a great job, determining if women need to wear a bra. I would love to be the pencil inspector!
The feminist would never let that job fly, unless it was to determine which women were suitable enough for the beauty pageant; then they would want some woman to do it because a guy certainly could not do it objectively.

I thought you had vowed never to speak directly to me again.

Not at all, but I will always have a citation for you. ^^^

Not you, goofball. @Hypocrisy_Central has vowed – several times now – to never acknowledge my presence on this site again.

He always backs down eventually.

I’m sure he didn’t mean it.

Is that what bra burning was for? To be “liberated from men?” LOL I wonder what percentage of these liberated women have joined dating sites? Post photos of themselves half naked on Facebook? Don bikinis? Flirt in bars?
Nothing ever came of it. It was just silly and men are still paid more than women for the same work, rule our government and remove lids from jars. If I call movers do you think a truck pulls up full of women? lol Nothing has changed.

@Hypocrisy_Central Yes and no. We do still have the problem that younger women still exist in our world and men still turn their heads to look at them. Although, yes women could let go of some of our preoccupation with the signs of aging. Some countries are better about it than others and some parts of the US are better than others.

@Seek* @Hypocrisy_Central has vowed – several times now – to never acknowledge my presence on this site again.*
I never said I would never acknowledge you on a thread. I said I would not speak to you directly if you so thought it would be offensive to you. But you still chime in on threads I have, so apparently you must be seeking something other than spreading propaganda less than accurate information. Sometimes one has to bring out a meat cleaver and hack through those inaccuracies less all those clicking that support lurve actually believe it is true. Second to that, compassion, benevolence, and mercy is something I am required to consider no matter whom the person is or their actions, you can think God for that….or not.

@Aster Is that what bra burning was for? To be “liberated from men?”
Apparently some feminist and supporting pundits believed it. As you say, it seems to be a major fail. It seem it is more a condition dreamed up in the minds of those women than to actually be about bras.

I wonder what percentage of these liberated women have joined dating sites? Post photos of themselves half naked on Facebook? Don bikinis? Flirt in bars?
Probably as many ”liberated women” that do so today.

@JLeslie Yes and no. We do still have the problem that younger women still exist in our world and men still turn their heads to look at them.
In short, who is still in control of that? So what men look at younger women, unless women can control the eyeballs of men that will happen? If women are going to change who they do something be it what they wear, don’t wear, when they wear it or how based on how men look or watch, are they not allowing some man. Maybe whom they do not even know to dictate their choice? If people in your neighborhood all of a sudden got lazy and stopped washing their vehicles, are you going to stop washing yours? If you want a clean vehicle no matter what, you will wash yours if they do or not, or vice versa if you did not want to wash yours any longer but they detailed theirs to death.

@Hypocrisy_Central I think people tend to conform to some extent.

@JLeslie I think people tend to conform to some extent.
I think most people conform way more than they will admit, because to conform means to give up some independence or omnipotence. Even if they are bucking ”the system” they are conforming to an ”anti-system”. That whole bra burning thing of the 60s was a flop because as much as women don’t want to admit it, as @Seek touched on, women will conform to avoid the appearance of catering to the enjoyment of men even at the expense of their own comfort. That even goes back to the Spanx queens that will squeeze themselves into those Spandex sausages to try to look like what they are not prepared to work for in the gym. Rather than saying, ”I like to eat, I don’t like to sweat, what hangs out, just hangs out, so what”. As much as those women hate the culture they are enabling it.

If you wear a bra, you’re conforming to male expectation.
If you don’t wear a bra, you’re trying to attract men’s attention.

No matter what we do, some man is going to decide we’re doing it for him.

^ No matter what we do, some man is going to decide we’re doing it for him.
And…….that should alter how and in what way a woman does something? If a woman was hungry and cooked a meal larger enough for two and decided to share it with a male friend, her man, or whatever, should she not cook it because he may think she cooked it especially for him and not because she was hungry? To do that would be rather silly to me. When I had roommates if I cleaned the bathroom because I wanted to use a clean bathroom or have one when guess stopped by, I was not going to avoid cleaning it because a roommate thought I was doing it for them.

@Hypocrisy_Central Some of the conforming is not necessarily brainwashing or even trying to be accepted within a group. I think we as humans tend to appreciate and become accustomed to things around us. If you see the same style clothing a lot, you tend to find the style familiar and it makes you feel comfortable. A girlfriend of mine used to wear clothing that showed her cleavage and was regularly in tight dresses and high heals. After dating a friend in my circles and eventually they got married, she started dressing more like us in the circle, although she still has some of her own style in there. I wear sexy dresses and high heels too, but I wear that sort of get up out dancing. She was in those clothes all the time, when most of us were in jeans or even sweats hanging out eating BBQ. I’ve met her other friends from when she first moved to the area and they dressed a lot like she used to. Which is the real her? I think both.

@Seek You are so right.

@JLeslie I wear sexy dresses and high heels too, but I wear that sort of get up out dancing.
Is that because you can dance more efficiently or better in a sexy dress and heels?

@Hypocrisy_Central – I meant ‘pole’ but it came out ‘pencil. Sorry-freudian slip

@Hypocrisy_Central well, I can dance better in high (not very high) heels than in flats, so that is for the dancing. The dress is to look sexy and feel sexy. Although, as I get older and a little heavier I am able more and more to be less sexy and be ok with it. It’s getting to be more and more about comfort.

@JLeslie The dress is to look sexy and feel sexy.
That is a defining point right there, some women know they can be sexy and go for it. Who are they being sexy for? Traditionally it was for men, as more come out of the closet, I guess for the same sex too. Those who might get unwanted attention because those who decide to be sexy will cause other who wears similar dress to be highlighted should just accept that as part of the scheme of things as gridlock is to driving; not hate on those who use their sex appeal. Using one’s sex appeal is not cowing to men; I believe it is quite savvy since more men are controlled by their dumbsticks then the Gray matter between their ears. If a woman will bypass comfort because she believes some man will see her as sexy or she might incite sexy thoughts in his head I think she is curtailing her freedom more than any man. Which makes me think, what are women trying to liberate themselves from and using what as a symbol because the wearing of bras, or not, was an epic fail.

@Hypocrisy_Central The sexy can be for yourself. It feels good to feel sexy. It makes you feel alive, attractive, confident, it gives you energy. I think it is why men tend to have more stamina and more confidence, they have plenty of sexy hormone coursing through their body. Clothing, hair, make-up can add to it all.