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If tomorrow the human maximum lifespan increased fivefold, what effects do you think it would have on our behavior or our outlook on life?

Asked by Soubresaut (13714points) March 7th, 2016

So instead of an approximate 120-year max, we would have an approximate 600-year max. (But let’s imagine that we mature at only a slightly slower rate, “adult” at 30-ish instead of 20-ish… since it seems cruel to say that “pre-adult” is now 100 years!) Note that this is the apparent biological maximum lifespan, not life expectancies.

So, we wake up tomorrow and every human has a five-times longer maximum lifespan. As we’d be the transition generation, only whatever potential lifespan we have ahead of us is affected (so at 23, I’d have a maximum of 97*5=485 years left, probably falling short by many decades.)

Yet everything else would remain exactly the same. Other species’ lifespans have not changed. The various sociopolitical situations in the world have not changed. Diseases would be just as deadly, but the onset of certain chronic conditions would be delayed. Etc.

How do you imagine this would effect how we navigate the world? What would become more/less important, more/less problematic, etc.? (Since this question potentially encompasses so much, feel free to just focus on the one or few elements/aspects you want to consider, as individual or as global in scale as you want!)

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kritiper's avatar

It would increase the population and the problems of overpopulation five-fold, 5 times faster. Dire nightmarish consequences!

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

We would live as the elves.

Coloma's avatar

Yes, major population overload, having to work until you are 470 years old before you reach full retirement age. haha
No thanks, I’m tired now at 56, the idea of living another 450 years sounds horrible.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Depends on how we cope at that age, are we like what we were in our fifties?
Or are the old age homes going to be over run by couple of hundred something seniors ?
I have zero desire to live that old, but as long as I can clothe, bathe, toilet,and feed myself then I will stick around when that ends I want off this shit pile.

Coloma's avatar

Wait….then given the fact that other species lifespans don’t change then I could have like another 30 cats in my future? That makes it all a little better. I’m down to maybe my last 2 cats now. haha

zenvelo's avatar

So the ages of man will correlate to a period five times as long? I spend 100 years as a doddering senior feeling like I am 90?

We’d be stacked in five high bunks of nursing beds. No thanks.

Coloma's avatar

^ Well..I want the top bunk so nobodies diaper leaks on me during the night. haha

Unofficial_Member's avatar

I look at this matter from the brighter side. If we have longer lifespan it will mean that each individual will have more time and opportunities to learn and master new field of knowledge, more diverse experience to be gained, stabilized supply of qualified-employees for longer time, and since human have realized their lifespan capacity they’ll re-organize their reproduction effectively since the time constraint isn’t that imminent.

cookieman's avatar

Owning a pet would suck. You’d go through dozens in a lifetime.

Seek's avatar

I’m sure someone will math this more accurately, but with give-or-take three hundred years of reproductive viability, we’ll be so overpopulated that we will all be eating Soylent Green before long.

ibstubro's avatar

We have a saying ‘round here. “The rich get richer and the poor have kids.”

Philanthropy would come to a halt and the population would explode, in the short term.
In the long term? Extinction? Socialism? Impossible to predict.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

A sudden change like that would cause total war over primary resources such as water and food. War and the negative ecological impact would cause a correction almost immediately. Whether or not humans survive the correction would depend on how widespread the use of nuclear weapons were used in these wars. Most of past human achievement, knowledge and recognizable culture might become inaccessible in the aftermath and surviving humans may find themselves living in small tribal groups comparable to those of the pre-Colombian American Indian.

It is estimated that homo sapiens began walking the earth approximately 2 million years ago. It took until 1800ce for the H. Sapien population to reach 1 billion (If you look at the world population graph here you will notice that, after a long, flat line, it goes nearly vertical just after 1800ce up to the present).

Improvements due to the industrial revolution caused a magnitudinal acceleration and we reached 2 billion in 1930. That’s a doubling in only 130 years for what it took approximately 2 million years to achieve. The third billion took only 30 years (1959). The fourth, fifteen years (1974), and the fifth in thirteen years (1987). There are twice as many people on earth than there were in 1970.

Presently, we are producing 80 million people per year, a growth rate of 1.3%, 20% of whom are not expected to reach the age of 20 years due to malnutrition and disease. News items on the recent mass migrations into wealthy Europe from poorer countries under stress may be just the begining of many mass migrations from poor to wealthy areas around the world. What we’re seeing may be just a drop-in-the-bucket preview of what earth’s future may hold. The good news is that the rate of increase has dropped in the past decade and we are not expected to reach 10 billion until just before 2100ce. In the meantime, human invention in all fields is given a chance to catch up to the great need produced by this population.

The development of better communications, better transportation for shipping food quickly and efficiently, arguably better crops and more efficient use of cropland, even changes in world politics since the two World Wars, have staved off the extreme crisis envisioned in the first paragraph above.

It has been argued that technology may be our saviour in all this, but it was technology in the first place that enabled humans to populate so quickly. True, but for those who would like to turn the clock back, here’s a vision for you: In 1900 Chicago had a human population of 1.6 million and a horse population of approx. 250,000. Each horse produced 20 lbs of horseshit every 24 hours for a grand total of 5 million pounds of horseshit that had to be dealt with on a daily basis. Much of it was piled high in a midden near downtown and seeped into the water supply or degraded into the muddy streets becoming airborne in the summer months. Cholera, hepatitis, and a plethora of other diseases were commonplace. Women complained of the liquid horseshit that gathered at the bottom of their skirts when they crossed the muddy streets. Today Chicago has more than 7 million people which would require 1.3 million horses producing 25 million pounds of horseshit daily. I like horses. I even prefer the smell of horseshit to that of other animals. But this is a bit much. And it would be an on-going public health catastrophe.

So, we are dependent upon technology to deal with problems resulting from
population growth. There is no turning back. We are making headway in passive and renewable energy sources, but entrepreneurship in these areas have been considered by many slow to meet the rising need. Some leaders in the green movement, such as Stewart Brand, are even taking a closer look at GAO foods and genetic modifications of other products, including human beings. It is called Bright Green Environmentalism. Although controversial among the older environmentalist stalwarts, it is worth looking into. Bright Green may be our only practical choice.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

^^Oooops. I totally misread the question to read, if the population were to increase five-fold. I hadn’t had my coffee yet. Sorry.

Coloma's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus Those population growth stats are mind boggling!
Yep, that’s a lot of horse shit to shovel, pick your poison, carbon footprints or horse shit hoof prints. haha

Soubresaut's avatar

Thanks for the responses! I agree, I don’t think I’d want to live that long, either. But at the same time, I might like the idea that I have time to get better at more things, and time to know more things… as long as I don’t have to live forever, I might like longer to try and understand the universe… might. But then I thought it would be interesting—since increasing our lifespans so much would put definite strains on the earth and on our civilizations—would we be able to adapt to the new situation and prevent various catastrophes, or would we just be coping our way through them?

Yes, we’d definitely have a population issue… since it is so blatant and looming an issue, do you think we’d just watch it happen? Or do you think we’d try to prevent it in some way(s)?

And then environmental issues—predictions that such-and-such will happen in a century or two: would we collectively take more interest in (read: action on) these issues if we would be the ones to experience certain issues?

Would we care more for human suffering if that suffering were to go on longer? Would we care more for early mortality rates (from malnutrition, warfare, etc.) if those lives could have been longer? Or would the population growth be too much of an issue for us to look past it and deal with other issues?

If we had longer to learn and absorb information, do you think our perspectives on the world would change? Or would we just hold onto what we already hold onto for a longer period of time?

Would we become jacks-of-all-trades, spending certain decades on one persuit and certain decades on another? Would we remain in certain fields and become experts with a couple/few centuries of experience (and would those extra years provide deeper understanding or just be repetition of the same information)? Would we even be psychologically capable of remaining in a single field for several centuries?

Coloma's avatar

@Soubresaut I think a lot of what people did with all these extra centuries would be primarily based on their personality and health issues. Some would keep pursuing new career pathways, others like myself, as a knowledge seeking type, would still be prone to learning new things but could happily stay mostly checked out of the mainstream.
I could spend a couple centuries in one field.
A field full of trees and grass and flowers. haha

I would like the spend the next 2 centuries field watching while eating lemon cheesecake and getting a little high. That would be a nice retirement. Don’t forget the custom rocking chair and lots of books and movies and a big plank swing. :-)

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Yeah, what would be the retirement age if people lived that long, 180?
It is a cool concept if you can take mobility and good health with you, but if not I would think spending a few hundred years sitting in a wheelchair drooling on yourself ,or laying in a nursing home bed in your own crap would be a whole new idea of hell.
And would want none of it.

Seek's avatar

Frak, I don’t want 400 years in a 9-to-5.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

NO shit^ not something to really look forward to, but think of how the wealthy could really bleed us before we die, if we did live that long.

msh's avatar

People would be living their lives- only longer. Correct?
So if their lives were to continue, yet have the same rate of occurances as now, the suicide rate would increase. IMO.
Increased lifespan = more day to day occurances = say, more time for car accidents = more time for pain.
Or say- relationships, if longer life, humans would jump around more. The settle in ‘settle-down’ would become an excuse for- perhaps, more: “I could do better, because this life is too long to stay in this situation.” Or not.
Lonley gets longer and more hopeless for depressed?
What if- such a long life, kids grow up and get away from parents faster ( considering life-span years) and then when the normal care changes over to the older not needing the care as early, perhaps the more time parents and children part and remain so for that long time period, the familial bonds would be weakened or entirely gone all together. More alone- more introspective- more… ???
Societal laws might change. Longer or shorter jail time for criminals? Death penalty cases?
The average person who now works longer and very hard to achieve the 2.5 kid,house-white picket fence,new car in garage,chicken in every pot, may get sick of slower results over a longer period of time. What if they get the “screw this shit- I deserve better.” attitudes. ( wow, the latest generation of -gimme it now, I earned it in my balloon salary requirements for my skills, will need it even faster!) Who’s going to be the basis for the service providers these people need? The guy who changes your vehicle’s oil isn’t going to stick around forever-who wants to?
Would there be more dissatisfaction with ‘what is’ or more ‘what isn’t’?
Underwater welders, or nuclear facility welders notoriously earn a lot of greenage- however, their mortality rate from work-related accidents and/or substance abuse deaths are on a higher scale. (higher than the norm..) Does this mean different vocations can count on even a shorter amount of time if the lifespan grows longer, yet the jobs are just as dangerous?
A class of workers becomes disposable earlier for the greater good to carry on?
A lot of what-if’s.
A lot of crime.
A lot of suicide watches would quadruple by the day.
Or not.

Seek's avatar

600 years ago the world was still recovering from the black plague. Ferdinand and Isabella hadn’t yet been born. Columbus wouldn’t mistake a Jamaican for an Indian for almost 80 years. Magellan wouldn’t circumnavigate the globe for over a century.

600 years is just too goddamn long.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

A life sentence in prison would take on a whole new meaning. I think people would be begging for the death penalty.

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