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Anyone up for a discussion on Orwell's Animal Farm?

Asked by PriceisRightx26 (1258points) February 3rd, 2017

Moreso in light of the current situation in the US.

I’m thinking Trump/Napoleon, HRC/Snowball, Conway/Squealer.

What are your thoughts? Relatable characters? Completely detached from what we’re seeing today? Other parallels you might’ve noticed?

Never had to read this for school or anything and no one I know IRL seems to have read, but I just finished it and am itching for a discussion on the literature of the general and of the aforementioned variety.

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stanleybmanly's avatar

The difference between our menagerie and Orwell’s villainous animals is that our crowd is not nearly as clever. There is an issue here that is so often neglected in these discussions, but matters a great deal. It is the question of motive. When you step back and try to view matters objectively, can you honestly make the claim that our knucklehead and his crowd believe themselves acting against the best interests of the country. Do you think Trump doesn’t believe that he is the greatest human being to walk the earth since Jesus? Do you think he isn’t sincere in his view that he can save the country? Trump isn’t evil. He’s simply an egomaniacal sociopath driven hard by insanely over the top delusions of grandeur.

stanleybmanly's avatar

The reason Trump’s downfall is more or less assured hinges on his outlook. Trump is the clearest example you will ever see of a shallow man operating on a single principle. It’s a case of presumed infallibility fueling a locomotive chugging along the roadbed of ends justifying means. The runaway train is confined to this single track by its pathological obsession with its own self importance and the upcoming spectacular derailment is unavoidable.

flutherother's avatar

I don’t think it is a very good parallel. “Animal Farm” is about ideals turning sour, but there were never any high ideals with the Trump administration. “1984” maybe gets closer by looking at what happens to truth in a totalitarian regime:

“In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable – what then?”

Cruiser's avatar

@stanleybmanly Creative narrative about Trump but you make a fatal assumption by illustrating Trump as a locomotive confined to a set of rails. Trump thankfully has every option at his disposal to at any moment to leap the rails and lead our country in any direction that need be. I have faith that Cheeto is ‘mart enough to lead our country to higher ground and not have to bow to other leaders in the process.

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stanleybmanly's avatar

Higher ground? I am truly disappointed that Trump successfully resisted dethronement for better than 3 years. I gauge every day of his survival as a measure of the country’s susceptibility to and tolerance of criminal malfeasance at its head.

Strauss's avatar

@stanleybmanly
The runaway train is confined to this single track by its pathological obsession with its own self importance and the upcoming spectacular derailment is unavoidable.

Ridin’ that train…

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