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Crusader's avatar

Why is fluther so concerned with 'flame bait' when virtually all the members hate social conservatives, Christian in particular, and are Very vocal about it?

Asked by Crusader (576points) May 30th, 2009

Is this a Conservative Hate site? Should it be removed from the internet as a terrorist vehicle?

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hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

Typical positivist reaction. Always treating the symptoms without consideration of the cause. You should be glad well-contained places such as this exist where opinions on this side of the spectrum can be expressed rather than be squelched before they are even expressed. Without safety valves things can really get nasty.

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Blondesjon's avatar

@eponymoushipsteryou know i lurve you man but when you attack crusader like that, hilarious as it is, you are being no better than he is.

dannyc's avatar

There are many Christians who post reasonable responses to reasonable questions, providing intelligent feedback. I do not agree that there is a hatred for Conservatives. But yes, I would say you are correct in assuming that the majority here are Liberals. But if you ask your questions respectfully, with no malice, then it will be received with grace. In fact, I myself get bored if people don’t present proper arguments to back up their inferences, but that is not the norm. Keep an open mind and you will find it a better experience.

Crusader's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop

Squelched before expressed? Remember BrokeBack Mountain? How about Ellen Degeneres? All public education? Do you honestly believe that most people are so naive or complacent as the belive that? It is the Social Conservative that is the subject of censure, Not the liberal, All media can attest to this, you are the Majority. Sorry, not special anymore.

Aethelwine's avatar

Virtually all the members hate?

I think not

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Blondesjon i know. but, at the same time, i got Pimsleur Douchebag Level 1, and i need to pratice…

Crusader's avatar

@dannyc

How is it you expect the social conservatives to be reasonable, and patient, and understanding, and tolerant, when subjective to Continuous assaults on their character? Same behavior among liberals is expected, even encouraged, and the entiltlements, and fincancial and social opportunities transferred to the same groups/individuals who would lie, cheat, steal, and, yes, kill to gain advantage over them? I do not accept hypocrisy. Golden Rule still applies.

Blondesjon's avatar

@eponymoushipsterahhh. than douche away…

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

Two men are sitting in a prison cell serving life sentences.
The first asks the second, “what are you in for?”
”...shooting a man” the second replies.
“you son of a bitch!” the first yells in response.

Get my point here kids?

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Blondesjon i just hope he doesn’t think he wants me to be gay with him. because i’m not gay.

Blondesjon's avatar

@eponymoushipsterthan what have we been doing together?

dalepetrie's avatar

It’s probably because eventually every conversation between your typical liberal flutherite and your typical conservative flutherite ends up something like this

Crusader's avatar

Encouragement of fruitless dialogue is the joy and victory of the establishment. Denial of the importance of perpetual resistance to such control is very concerning to them, thus the monitoring…

DeanV's avatar

Wow. How do I even answer this?

Blondesjon's avatar

@dalepetriefinest news source on the planet.

dannyc's avatar

@Crusader I would assume you are feeling hurt by people who you contend do not accept your views, misunderstood you, don’t get conservative logic, etc.. You make inferences that they ae evil, misguided, wrong, hurtful, and lash out at you. This is the very same behaviour that you present that you dislike about their actions. This judgment is in essence, the identical action that you say you dislike about them, thus leading to the conflict you are having. Should you treat people with respect, you will generate positive results and achieve your goal of better treatment.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

@dannyc reiteration through elaboration. see prior post. I’m on your boat all the way baby.

tinyfaery's avatar

I have no problem with conservatives, it’s just you I don’t like.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@tinyfaery if you ever go for dudes, i’m waiting for you, just for that comment. ;)

Blondesjon's avatar

@tinyfaerythat’s…beautiful. nicely done.

dannyc's avatar

In my estimation, this site represents only a snippet of one’s personality. In spite of any answer given, I personally do not have the evidence that I can judge someone, or like or not like someone, in this forum. There may be some reasons for a question or answer to be given that are not apparent. Thus, I think it is unhelpful to trash a person, regardless of what one might infer from the information they present.

whatthefluther's avatar

@Crusader…With all the ignorance in this world, why did you choose this site as your mission? You are clearly not up to the task. For your god’s sake, move on. wtf

archer's avatar

very good that you posed the question crusader for the hatred and hypocrisy that is revealed in the responses. one day most of these children will look back with embarrassment at how ridiculous they were in their youth

Blondesjon's avatar

@archer…I am 38 years old. I am ridiculous in my middle age.

eponymoushipster's avatar

yeah, i’m 30.

whatthefluther's avatar

@archer…55 y.o. here, and a child of…..my mom and dad.

Ah, the air seems fresher…looks like the snipers have retreated to their cave.

Darwin's avatar

I really don’t hate anyone, either conservative or liberal. What I dislike are people who refuse to allow me to believe what I believe, insisting that my beliefs are somehow inferior because they differ from theirs.

I also rarely converse with folks whose passion outshines their communications skills, because life is too short.

In any case, @dannyc said what I wanted to say only he said it better.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

I hate you all if it makes any difference :)

archer's avatar

i took into consideration those who never mature

eponymoushipster's avatar

@archer hahaha. you’re funny.

Blondesjon's avatar

@archer…Are your barbed comments any less childish than any of ours? I would prefer to be a child than a hypocrite any day of the year.

dalepetrie's avatar

Let me answer as a biased liberal who doesn’t see myself as someone who “hates” anyone at least not until they give me a reason to.

Essentially, I believe everyone has the right to believe what they choose to believe…in fact, I wouldn’t even say “choose to believe” because often belief is not about “choice”, it’s just part of who you are, how you think, what you believe, and what makes sense to you. And one of the MAIN reasons I LOVE this site, is that I feel like I’m among kindred spirits in that most the people on here seem to feel the same way. So, from here on, I’m going to refer to “we” meaning those of us who consider ourselves open minded, like to enter into the difficult discussions, but at the same time, we don’t take kindly to people who speak in absolutes, and/or seem to think they are 100% right, no matter what…people who have no humility, will admit to no fallibility, and seem to believe their way is the one right way, period, end of discussion. Often these people will not only speak in absolutes, but will show absolutely no tolerance, or even understanding for people who think differently than they do.

And I’m sorry, I’ve seen one too many conversations where @Crusader has come in spouting religious, right wing rhetoric and proves himself to be completely unwilling to listen to any point of view other than his own. Now, if someone chooses to discuss their point of view, and their point of view is contrary to our own, we will gladly engage in debate, but the difference is, if someone makes a point, the collective seems to be able to acknowledge it, to be able to come around slightly if someone else is making sense….the people on here who are more liberal in nature, which is the majority of us (which is not a surprise because the founders and earliest users were all younger and of a more liberal philosophical bent, and it was liberal thinkers who were drawn to this site because of an atmosphere which welcomed our points of view, whereas much of the similar content on the web is often overrun by hard right conservatives who take any chance possible to shout down any dissent from their concrete world view), we came here because we get each other, we feel at home here.

And though we all cherish input from people who have different perspectives and perhaps different worldviews, we are not of the type to claim moral certitude about ANYTHING and then shut down debate…we like to enter into conversation/debate with open minds. And most of us hold our beliefs to be very important. Examples such as gay rights, freedom of religious choice, a belief in war as a last resort…things antithetical to the Christian Conservative Right Wing Worldview…these are not simply attitudes for us, they are deeply held convictions that we have come to believe are just based not only on deep thought and reflection, life experience, and factual information gained in an effort to arrive at the conclusions we make.

You used religion as an example, and I can relate from my own interactions with you why this might make you feel hated. It boils down to the adage, you reap what you sow. You have outright accused liberalism as something that has an agenda to enslave humanity, with the help of Muslims who are inherently evil. Right there, not only are you 100% incontravertably wrong, which many Flutherites have proven to you beyond not only a reasonable doubt, but any shadow thereof, you are attacking our very deeply held convictions and stating that the truth is a perversion of our motivations. It’s like coming onto OUR playground, and calling us a bunch of hateful liars.

Religion is a great example. I have had MANY conversations with people who are firm believers in God, where we’ve been able to agree about some things and agree to disagree about others, but where there is no animosity in the interaction at all. What I object to, and I believe what many of my fellow Flutherites object to is when someone with no evidence to back up his assertions comes on here and tells us we’re all wrong and evil and we don’t have the right to believe the things we believe, that our actions or our support of the actions of others who are doing something “wrong” in their eyes is simply intollerable, improper and incorrect.

Basically, we don’t mind conservatives, we don’t mind religious types, but we fucking hate judgmental assholes. We’re all very much of the same vein that you should believe what you believe and you have every right to express it and every right to argue it, but don’t try to force your worldview on us…if we give YOU the courtesy to say that you can believe whatever you want even if we think you’re 100% batshit crazy, we expect the same in return. Those who can’t (or won’t) reciprocate are flamers, and they are not worth our time.

archer's avatar

it’s amazing how sensitive some are to being told that their positions viewpoints or beliefs are nonsense. what good are they if they can’t bear scrutiny and criticism?

i understand that you who feel yourselves to be so liberal and open are blind to your hypocrisy but it is plain to those who see it.

i don’t get into religious debates on these internets, but it is impossible for any objective observer not to notice that the current “hip” and accepted bigotry is against conservatives, and especially christian conservatives. this the reality that crusader is addressing in his question.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@archer Christian conservatives are some of the most hypocritical and hateful people out there.

Darwin's avatar

The mere fact that @Crusader says this site could be a terrorist vehicle or that it represents a hate site is sufficient in my opinion to show why he is treated less that gladly at times. Accusations of this sort are not dialogue, nor are they reasoned argument. They are beyond calling something nonsense. They are fear-mongering and insulting.

whatthefluther's avatar

@archer…your first two sentences are well put, but terribly misdirected.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

Don’t let the man bearing a sword and a Bible get you down. Use cop-killers. Aim for the center-of-mass. ;) <- smiley added for the irony impaired, I’m stealing this from G. Gordon Liddy fer chrissakes… ;)

archer's avatar

and what would be an example of “christian conservative hatred”?

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

why do xtians have such a persecution complex when they have a majority in the fact that over 60% of Americans identify with the Jesus myth? Are the views and opinions of a few liberals and nonbelievers that much of a fucking threat?

archer's avatar

also, i’m not aware of crusader’s past commentary, i haven’t been around for a while, but what he pointed out in his question rang true because i have seen it in so many places

Darwin's avatar

@archer – Perhaps you should look at past discussions before speaking in chastising tones.

archer's avatar

speaking for myself, i wasn’t pointing to any “complex” i was just noting what i have observed in terms hatred toward them being openly expressed in many places on the internet

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

brb… Jesus is calling, I’ll tell you guys what he says in a minute

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

ok, that was quick… he says “get a fucking life and stop worrying about me….....”

how befitting….

archer's avatar

i don’t have look at past discussions to notice that crusader had a valid general point based on my observations, which has nothing to do with what he’s said or not said in past

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

@ABoyNamedBoobs03 if he’s still on the line, could you ask him when he’s going to bring the pork chops?

archer's avatar

hip hop and a boy named boobs are providing illustrations in real time. thanks boys

AstroChuck's avatar

Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! Can I get an amen?

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

Well, archer, I spent many years in the AOL chat rooms set aside for the atheists and nonbelievers, and you would be surprised the number of conservative christians that found it their obligation to spout scripture, to call us out as devil worshippers and to just generally be a pain in the ass in a place they were not wanted. While there are plenty of decent and respectable christian types on fluther, there are a few that find some satisfaction in stirring up shit because so many folks here have rejected christianity as false.

What other people believe is really no one else’s damn business, but some folks just can’t get that through their tiny little minds.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

lol dude learn some humor for fuck’s sake.

SarahPalin's avatar

I love you guys! Seriously.

Darwin's avatar

@archer – And that is precisely what is wrong – you “know” something about Fluther and Crusader and Flutherites without having read any of the discussions. Do the research with an open mind. Then you can analyze the situation.

There are many more Christians, Conservatives, and Christian Conservatives here than just Crusader, and most fit in just fine.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@ABoyNamedBoobs03 have you ever read the bible, there isn’t a whole knock-knock joke in that damn thing. Humor is not a common quality of fundamentalists.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@SarahPalin can i get a bj? you and your daughters seem like real pros with that stuff.

DrBill's avatar

I’m conservative. I’m Christian, I’m on fluther.

I guess that means I hate myself !?

eponymoushipster's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra one of the problems is that fundamentalists don’t know the Bible, they think they know what’s in there, and just make stuff up when it suits them.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@DrBill no it means you have gods’ blessing to breed really large cats.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@SarahPalin i’ll make you a mother and grandmother all over again if you’re not careful.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

lol brosef I spent 9 years in a catholic school, church three times a week, I could recite that damn thing backwards… I’m all Jesus’d out….

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

I find my current lurve score to be rather fitting given the occasion… (it was 666)

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

gasp… he damned the bible…. O.o

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@eponymoushipster don’t I know that, I had plenty of run ins with the fundies at one of my favorite blog sites. Those people should take up suicide bombing as a hobby, but instead of blowing up other people, they should make it a work-at-home occupation.

SarahPalin's avatar

@eponymoushipster Where was all this love in November?

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop yeah, I loved it when mine was 666. Now I’m shooting for 6666.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

Aww, someone had to go and give me more and ruin it…. ;)

eponymoushipster's avatar

@SarahPalin i was picturing your daughter naked. she’s 18, right? i’d go for her; you might pop out another tard child.

SarahPalin's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop Sorry. That was me. I’m known for ruining the moment.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

Well, the secret is out. Fluther is a conservative hate site, and a terrorist vehicle set for one goal in mind, and that is the destruction of America as a god-fearing religious nation. Crusader is correct, we are here to bring America down, or at least to lower its standards so that all minorities and those darn—gasp—- gays can live in peace with no fear from the self-righteous fundamentalists who seek only to preserve the true nature of this country, which is as a theocracy.

Jerry Falwell, Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney are right, all the liberals that are letting the gays and lesbians live, love and work free of prejudice in America are the reason 911 happened.

noelasun's avatar

You know, I’m Christian and mostly conservative, And posts like this one make me embarrassed to say I am.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

@SarahPalin Well, it was fitting then! :D

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@noelasun I’m agnostic atheist, and relatively conservative, more moderate than either conservative or liberal and its not the ordinary believers I have a problem with, it’s the assholes that disguise their prejudice in their beliefs. They have a tendency to cherry pick the parts of the bible they wish others to follow, but they also like to ignore the parts that make them uncomfortable.

Gfly's avatar

Lmao I love you guys

noelasun's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra Oh, me too. I love and value open mindedness and quality sharing and discussions. But I’ve found open mindedness a rarer thing that I ever thought… well, mostly not on fluther. Not most the time anyways.

SarahPalin's avatar

@eponymoushipster It’s “tarded” thank you.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

If I had a dollar for every time I heard a Christian refer to the current president by the ‘N’ word, I could probably pay off my credit card bills.

Darwin's avatar

What’s wrong with calling him a Newbie?

noelasun's avatar

and if I had a dollar for every “liberal” who’s called me racist for not voting for our President, I’d… well, not my credit card debts, but I’d at least have bought me a new pair of pretty pretty shoes.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

ok… let’s get this over with because someone a vast majority of you guys haven’t caught it yet….

a radical is a radical… they’re bad regardless. If you’re a religious zealot you suck… if you’re a self righteous atheist, you still suck.

Radicals accomplish two things in most circumstances, they breed more opposing radicals, and deteriorate the ideologies of their belief system beyond recognition… that is all… can we be done with this now kids?

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop great link, that’s for posting it.

noelasun's avatar

but it was FUN!!!! do we have too?

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

<—- having a problem with a guy named Boobs calling me kid.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

ohhh dem fightin words!

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

Hey, I’ll let Arlo Guthrie know you’ve stolen his line from the famous song Alices’ Restaurant. He’ll get you for copyright infringement.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

love that story

SarahPalin's avatar

We’re not done until y’all give me a chance. I’m really a cool gal.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

you know it’s really not about alice’s resturant?

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

not even about alice

eponymoushipster's avatar

@SarahPalin are you requesting a gang bang?

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

no, its about the draft, and a small town called Stockbridge in Massachusetts.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

or the resturant

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

“it’s a typical case of American blind justice, and the judge wasn’t going to look at the 47 8 by 10 color glossy photographs with the pictures and arrows on the back of each one, telling what each one was to be used as evidence against us.”

SarahPalin's avatar

@eponymoushipster Well, I do want more children. Hmmmm….

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

having a gang bang with no condoms is like 4 dudes playing russian roulette with child support….

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

wow somewhere between the comment about being tarted and the gangbang this thread has kind of gone on the way side….

SarahPalin's avatar

Gotta breastfeed.

I’m out.

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

how awkward of you….

steve6's avatar

Why capitalize very? Emphasis?

andrew's avatar

[mod says]: Remember when people used to chat in the chat room? I do. Now it’s empty. Oh… here’s where all the chatting went.

steve6's avatar

I’m on question.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@ andrew, I lost the directions to the chat room. It should be easier to find.

steve6's avatar

Change the avatar and I will.

steve6's avatar

@ crusader Is this a conservative hate site? even worse than Very.

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

@Crusader: have you checked out soulpancake.com for indulging your spiritual bent? It’s a pretty nifty spot

MacBean's avatar

Ahhh. Another fine example of why @Crusader is one of my favorite people to dismiss as human and ignore.

augustlan's avatar

Terrorist vehicle? Like a build-your-own tank or something? Cool.

cyn's avatar

anyone?
where’s the chatroom?

steve6's avatar

it doesn’t exist

Crusader's avatar

Thank you all for your participation,(particularly the posts relevant to the thread, regardless of my personal beliefs.)

Judi's avatar

I don’t understand how I got moderated for saying something about a foil hat as a first response to an earlier question because serious answers needed to come first, yet there seemed to be no moderation of the initial sarcastic responses. I don’t agree with @Crusader on many things, but he deserved the same initial seriousness as the person who asked a paranoid question about the CIA.

fireside's avatar

I’ve said it before, Crusader.
You reap what you sow.

Judi fills her posts with compassion, and companionship and she is treated in kind.
Nobody questions robmandu’s character or intentions.
DrBill has provided some valuable and relevant insight in many threads.

But when someone spends many weeks posting divisive, inflammatory and nonsensical statements while asserting their correctness and declaring all other opinions uninformed, then it is unsurprising to find that they are being replied to in the same manner.

Much of the problems we have in this world can be attributed to narrow-minded labeling of others and unnecessary divisions created by people who are unable to see beyond their own fog of misunderstanding.
————————
“O Lord! Unite and bind together the hearts, join in accord all the souls, and exhilarate the spirits through the signs of Thy sanctity and oneness. O Lord! Make these faces radiant through the light of Thy oneness”
(Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 235)

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop: re: This sound familiar to anyone? Flame Warrior Archetype: Target why did I not read this when I first started using a computer? Oh, so many things would have made better sense.

@Andrew: “Remember when people used to chat in the chat room? I do. Now it’s empty” The evil is in the chatroom, cutting and pasting peoples conversations :(

flameboi's avatar

We also hate the cake guy big time!

alive's avatar

people will say anything on the internet because it is not in person and people can hide behind this little screen. im sure most of the liberals you are talking about don’t “hate social conservatives,” and i would hope that most social conservatives don’t hate liberals.

fluther is definitely not a conservative hate site or a terrorist vehicle.
(“godhatesfags” now that is a hate site, and those people are terroists, and they don’t even try to hide it.)

flamebait's avatar

Yes. Why is fluther so concerned with me anyway?

Darwin's avatar

@flamebait – Because we care.

AstroChuck's avatar

I don’t.

Likeradar's avatar

@Crusader We (or at least I) don’t.

What I strongly dislike is people who resort to spouting religion-based nonsense instead of explaining their point of view in a reasonable manner.

See the difference between that and what you do?

I disagree with social conservatives. But I respect people who can think critically, even if I think they’re wrong.

Judi's avatar

Wow, someone was listening! looks like the first few posts were moderated after all.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Judi well, no doubt @Crusader will use that to “prove” his point…

Judi's avatar

It doesn’t pay to become the thing you hate. That’s kind of what GW did by becoming a terrorist to fight terrorisim. Being mean and sarcastic is no way to fight mean sarcasim.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@Judi that’s true, good point. but i also feel that when someone is rampantly using hateful speech and racism, it shouldn’t be allowed to fester.

fireside's avatar

@eponymoushipster – What’s wrong with Fester?

SarahPalin's avatar

@eponymoushipster That’s true, good point. I played along with you but shame on you for being disrespectful to women.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@SarahPalin shouldn’t you go shoot a moose right now?

AstroChuck's avatar

…from an airplane.

eponymoushipster's avatar

@AstroChuck no, that’s how she might see Russia.

tiffyandthewall's avatar

when approached in this manner, of course you’re going to get a negative reaction. most of the people on here are only in any way ‘hateful’ when provoked.

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