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Are you aware of the fact that 8 years later, the US is still in a state of emergency?

Asked by SquirrelEStuff (9121points) October 16th, 2009

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/10/16-2
On September 10th, President Obama reinstituted the national State of Emergency first declared by George W. Bush on September 14, 2001 by placing the following language in the Federal Register.

The terrorist threat that led to the declaration on September 14, 2001, of a national emergency continues. For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue in effect after September 14, 2009, the national emergency with respect to the terrorist threat.

As Dr. Harold C. Relyea, a specialist in national government with the Congressional Research Service (CRS) of the Library of Congress, has written, “when the President formally declares a national emergency, he may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens.”

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proXXi's avatar

Last time I checked the war on terror hadn’t ended. I think we may never completely eliminate terrorism. This does not mean we should stop trying.

Those that refuse to get on board and blindly suggest that it doesnt even exist aren’t helping achieve a victory in any way.

We’re at war, pick a side.

ragingloli's avatar

bad decision.
a barely organised group of people with box cutters is hardly a valid justification to “seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens.”
We are not talking about an impending massive invasion by the Soviet Union, but a small group of people.
And just to remind you all of reality, 9/11 happened because the Bush regime ignored intelligence on the terrorist threat posed by Osama, gathered by the previous Clinton administration, and ignored warnings by intelligence in the months preceeding the attack, that an attack was imminent. 9/11 didn’t happen because the security apparatus did not have enough power, it happened because the Bush regime let it happen, covered it up, and then elevated the terrorist threat to an unwarranted podium.

proXXi's avatar

Barely organised?? You’re kidding right?

3 thousand people died as a result of no organisation?? You’re deluded.

Also, 9/11 happened because President Clinton signed off on micromanagement for the FBI and CIA even though he coined the term War on Terror after the 1993 WTC bombing- the ultimate wake up call.

mattbrowne's avatar

We still have no long-term strategy in place which makes potential recruits pursue other career paths instead of becoming suicide bombers. The threat is still very real. Not only in the US. All over Europe as well. And Asia.

ragingloli's avatar

@proXXi
i said barely organised, not not organised. stop lying please.
And Clinton left behind a comprehensive anti-terror strategy, which the Bush-regime swiftly abandoned after they rose to power. And Clinton tried to go after Osama, but he could not do it because the CIA and FBI refused to certify that Osama was a threat.
Get your facts straight please.

@mattbrowne
The threat is still very real.
But I am sure you agree that it does not warrant imposing the “state of emergency”.

dpworkin's avatar

It was OK before because at least Bush was born here and he’s white. But Obama is from Kenya, and is a Black Muslim, and wants to put patriots in Guantanamo after he releases the terrorists on US soil, and will force us to have less expensive and more equitable health care, which by itself is a Socialist plot to turn us into France. I want my country back!

mattbrowne's avatar

@ragingloli – No, state of emergency goes too far. In fact, I see it as being counterproductive. If you do fire drills every day, every week for many many years, what will happen when the house is on fire for real?

grumpyfish's avatar

Reporting some facts:

This is the complete text of the order: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/E9-22119.htm

And it only extends it for one year.

Not clear on the other ramifications of it, that’s not my department.

filmfann's avatar

@pdworkin Either you are very funny, or very frightening.

ParaParaYukiko's avatar

The fact that we are still in a state of emergency is kind of frustrating. First of all, it shows that in spite of all the effort, money, and lives we have put into this “War on Terror” we haven’t made any significant progress in eliminating terrorism. And we probably never will.

Second, even though the threat of terrorism is still quite high, the fact that we have been in a constant state of emergency for eight whole years has lost its shock-facter. People don’t really pay attention to it anymore. Heightened airport security is just an annoyance, and apathy about the war is still pretty high (as far as I can tell).

I consider this a boy-who-cried-wolf situation. We’ve become so used to this “state of emergency” deal that people don’t take it seriously anymore. We may be more prepared for a terrorist attack than we were in 2001, but if it did happen again, it would still be chaos.

Zaku's avatar

I pick whatever side you’re not on, proXXI. ;-)
Americans are a bunch of whiney childish self-centered wimps.

I mean, I’m stilled pissed that we had an evil yee-haw president who gave that speech in reaction to the 2001 attacks saying that he was gonna defend our freedom by violating our civil rights, and that we are still being needlessly victimized by this BS. Of course intelligent security forces actually going after actual terrorist threats should be pardoned for doing what they need to to protect against attacks. But we don’t need a security industry, secret police and secret trials, nor the rest of the Orwellian “war on terror” crap.

proXXi's avatar

How very mature of you @zaku.

janbb's avatar

@pdworkin Funny and frightening?

rooeytoo's avatar

“THE Sydney men found guilty yesterday of terrorism offences had been plotting murder on a massive scale, having stockpiled 30,000 rounds of ammunition, bomb-making equipment and explosive chemicals with the intention of exacting revenge on Australia for its military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

That taken from The Australian of yesterday. So apparently they have not all gone back into their caves. Perhaps the continuing vigilance is still warranted.

proXXi's avatar

@rooeytoo said “Perhaps the continuing vigilance is still warranted.

Yeps.

Antiterrorism is like housework, nobody notices it unless it isnt done.

rooeytoo's avatar

@proXXi – here here! or is that hear hear???

Anyhow, well said!

Storms's avatar

I doubt that’s a fact but it would ALMOST be typical of Washington. If indeed they have these powers then they are being stunningly restrained in actually using them. I’m more concerned about real things like eminent domain. How can something like that exist in the United States? Why do the people let it stand? My country feels more like Venezuela every day.

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