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Mr. Shinohara will immigrate future dictators and hated people to America, to stop World Wars before they start, and other major adversities of the 20th century. What do you think could happen in those cases?

Asked by EgaoNoGenki (1164points) December 20th, 2009

In the novel “Perfecting the Past,” since the protagonist is a super-corporeal traveler from the future, he’ll know who are all going to become dictators and the like, and will do his best to stop them from ever rising to their infamous prominences.

* ADOLF HITLER = Mr. Shinohara will immigrate him and his family to America on his 11th birthday – April 20, 1900. “Little Ade” (as Taka will call him) will be sent to the most prestigious art school in the nation, where he’ll hopefully become someone on the caliber of Picasso and Dali

* JOSEF STALIN = He’ll be persuaded to leave for America by a group of Shinohara’s agents when they flash him a wad of cash. Upon arriving, a pair of Mormon missionaries with an excellent command of Russian will get him acquainted with their church. He’ll eventually be sent off to a trade school where he becomes trained to become a truck driver for one of Shinohara’s companies.

* VLADIMIR LENIN = The same persuasion method will be used on him, but it doesn’t impress him right away. Then they produce pictures of the wealthy parts of American cities, and promise him an abundant life. He gets sent off to a university where he studies Political Science and becomes a city mayor. (What city – undecided. I haven’t decided what else he becomes after his mayorship is over.)

* BENITO MUSSOLINI – Gets sent to a theological seminary after arriving in the US, and becomes a Catholic priest. When he takes a fondness to middle-school boys though, Mr. Shinohara will get suspicious, launch a platoon of private investigators on him and his congregation, and get him defrocked. Unsure yet what he becomes after his priesthood is over.

* LEON TROTSKY – Lands in Kansas City, becomes a city councilman…

* KIM IL-SUNG’S PARENTS – Kim Il-sung, the first dictator of North Korea in the original reality, was born in 1912, so Mr. Shinohara immigrates his parents and their families. They had him when they were 18, so his parents are in 1st grade when they’re relocated to Washington. His father’s family is put in a specially-built duplex with his mother’s family living in the other unit, and a playground is built right behind it, so when the boy and the girl bond, that is how they eventually wed and produce the would-be dictator. However, Kim Il-sung becomes an electrician in this novel.

* MAO ZEDONG – The would-be first Communist dictator of China is 6 years old at the start of this novel, so his family gets immigrated to Chinatown, Los Angeles. Mr. Shinohara arranges for him to appear on Hollywood films from an early age.

* GAVRILO PRINCIP – The would-be assassin of the Archduke Ferdinand and his wife, is 5 years old at the start of this story. After being immigrated to Miami, he grows up to become a dockhand (stevedore) at the port. (To ensure that WWI never happens, Mr. Shinohara gives free boarding tickets and $100 to every Serb who decides to leave their homelands. The Serbs were unhappy with the Austria-Hungary empire at that time, which explains how someone would’ve gotten the nerve to assassinate the head-of-state. The Serbian Exodus to Florida ensures that Austria-Hungary remains a nation, and that WWI never happens in Europe.)

* SICILIANS & MAFIOSOS – Shinohara’s policy changes for them – Mr. Shinohara enacts an emergency order to reroute all Sicilians to Haiti, so that the Mafia infests the impoverished island rather than the good ol’ US of A. He also offers $100 to every Sicilian already landed in America, to pack up and relocate to Haiti. (He almost only offers it to Sicilian males, but some key Mafiosos are so amorous of their wives and girlfriends, that they would rather stay with them than take the $100 to abandon them.)

* HIDEKI TOJO – The would-be notorious Japanese War General is of high school age at the start of this novel. After he and his family get immigrated to a town near West Point, NY (possibly Poughkeepsie,) and gets enrolled at the Military Academy there, Mr. Shinohara gets student rosters for every military academy in Japan, and offers $100 per student & family member to immigrate every academy student and their families to either West Point, NY, or Annapolis, MD (which is the students’ choice, and Annapolis hosts the Navy Academy.) Any Japanese academy student with less than an ideal command of English becomes assigned their own private English tutors. The reason Mr. Shinohara tries to immigrate as many Japanese military academy students as possible to America, is to prevent the future war with Japan.

* SADDAM HUSSEIN’S GRANDPARENTS – They are immigrated to Dearborn, MI (which contains a major Arab community) where they start a family tradition of working for a major automotive company there. When Saddam is eventually born in 1939, he becomes a bully & a street thug in his teen years. When Mr. Shinohara checks on his life, he decides to send him to a military boarding school to straighten him up.

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Are there any other dictators whom I missed who needs to be immigrated to America in this alternate timeline?

What side-effects could happen from these immigration efforts?

What other factors should I consider for this part of the plot / storyline / etc. when Mr. Shinohara sends his agents to immigrate these people.

What harms could happen from this history-changing effort?

Some Japanese military academy students were members of the Royal family. How much trouble would it be to immigrate them? What methods would it take for this to be successful?

Since some royal family members won’t be able to be immigrated by Mr. Shinohara no matter how hard he tries, and they go on to become generals and etc. of the military, will there still be a war with Japan?

With Communism stopped before it started, what alternative government-related adversities will be dealt with in this novel?

Without the Mafia in New York (due to being relocated to Haiti,) I strongly feel that New York must have another adversity in its place. What should the that adversity be?

Are there any plot-holes and other glaring flaws in these plans that I must patch up? If so, what and how?

Are there different occupations that you suggest for these people? (For example, should Josef Stalin not be a truck driver? If so, what do you think he should be and why?)

Overall, what do you think will happen as a result of all these efforts that I haven’t yet already hypothesized?

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ragingloli's avatar

Others will take their place. Especially in the case of Saddam, where the CIA will simply choose another puppet to install in Iraq. And the repercussions on history will be massive. (And believe me, if this intervention results in the purging of anime from history, I will fight it tooth and nail.)

grumpyfish's avatar

(i) There are a few of the people on the list who were essentially individual masterminds.

(ii) There were many lessons learned in the 20th century that are important for us as a people to learn.

(iii) What about the major American-based folks? Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, Joseph McCarthy, etc.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@ragingloli No need to worry there – when Mr. Shinohara prevents (or delays?) the war with Japan, many soldiers otherwise killed in battle will go on to draw cartoon characters, so you’ll see an even bigger Animexplosion than we had in our original timeline!

@Christian95 It was a one-way mission. The apparition cannot return to his original setting until his host body dies in 1990 and lets him shuffle off that coil. The supercorporeal entity that possessed the body of Mr. Shinohara will be debriefed after his death, when he gets snatched back up by his observing compatriots.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@grumpyfish for (iii), Leon Czolgosz is relocated to an island off Jamaica to keep President McKinley alive. Similar plans will be made and carried out for the people you’ve mentioned.

Martin Luther King will attend Mr. Shinohara’s funeral after he dies on September 1, 1990.

ragingloli's avatar

I really think you should do more research on who did what, who were they influenced by, where did their rationale come from, what environmental circumstances did they grow up in, and also, what events did they trigger. Remember, A leads to B leads to C leads to D and E, D leads to F, E leads G, H, J, and so on. Some of those events following A will most certainly be positive, which will also be undone by your intervention. You need to study history in very high detail do have any hope of having at least some realistic extrapolation of your interventions. History is a complex deterministic and networked cascade, where events are caused by other events and influenced by events that have been caused by others. For example, Without Hitler, Europe would not have learned the lesson on what a horror war really is, and would not have become the peaceful entitiy it now is.
You basically need to consult historians, and I mean, academically trained historians and political scientists, and with all due respect to fellow flutherites, you will not get this on this site.

SirGoofy's avatar

Do ever just sit and watch cartoons? Maybe you should.

gailcalled's avatar

Sorry, but I have to add this to my list of “Must-Miss Books.”

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@gailcalled I understand when “Alternate History” is not a genre you’re most fond of. It’s a fact of life. People hate Star Trek, Star Wars, Pokémon, and Avatar, which I’ve grown fond of. Someone will be bound to hate something.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@SirGoofy How does watching cartoons somehow help the furtherment of my novel? I don’t think I can find too many “alternate history” cartoons.

(Maybe there are Alternate History animes, but they’ll not be easy to find, I’m sure.)

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@ragingloli That must be the best answer of the entire set of responses here so far! Bravo!

filmfann's avatar

The Giants attempted to sign Fidel Castro to a pitching contract. Didn’t work out. Instead, we got the Cuban problem.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@filmfann I can’t find anything on that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_castro (So, was this a joke?)

Anyways, when Mr. Shinohara finances the construction of Prosperity Bridge (Puente de la Prosperidad) between Key West and Havana, and finishes its construction an undecided amount of years later, Cuba’s economy will boost so far that their people won’t see a need for a government like Fidel Castro’s.

Sometime after Mr. Shinohara pays the Educational Ministry of Cuba to make English a compulsory subject from Kindergarten through ALL levels of schooling, he will set in motion the effort to admit Cuba to the Union as a US State.

ragingloli's avatar

@EgaoNoGenki
I would prefer Cuba to stay independent and preserve their own culture and language.

filmfann's avatar

@EgaoNoGenki No joke. I remember reading this in the Chronicle years ago.
There are websites that mention the rumor of this, but nothing certain.
Even the site you cited mentions that he was a baseball player in college.

Eureka's avatar

Write your own book, please. Unless, of course, you are going to give credit to everyone here for writing it for you.

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

To begin with World War 1. The causes of this war go much deeper than Princeps and disgruntled Serbs, The real issues were a realignment of alliances, many secret and complex, The Britisn motivation was fear of a German naval buildup caused by Kaiser Wilhem II demanding a modern battleship fleet not because he needed one but because he had read Alfred Thayer Mahon;s book “The Influence of Sea ower Upon History”. Perhaps preventing Willy from obtaing the book might have eliminated that causal factor,

The realignment that occurred between Britain and France was largely a factor of the Prince of Wales, later to becone Edward VII love of French culture, especially the casinos and social events. Some way of keeping him occupied in the UK may have orevented “La Etente Cordiale” of 1903 from being fornulated. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was dying as was the Ottoman Empire. Perhaps a Gernan intervention in the 1890s and incorporation into a Pan Germanic Enoire would have prevented tha tragic move that led te Kaiser to issue cate blache protection to A-H no matter vwhat they did, from happening, Keepinfg Turkey and Italy out of the war would have been simple. The Frano-German rivalry leading back to 1870 was inevitable to open into war. Without Britush intervention the German attack on Paris would have succeeded, a replay of 1870. British ties to Germany were strong prior to the early 1890s and should have renained so, Britain using naval poer and Gernay being thr predominate force on land in the continent. An Anglo-German hegemony would have cooled things off.. Let the Balkan Wars sputter on as a side show,Russia could be kept out of the vwar simply because she was not prepared and Niclas II could be easily dissuaded, A lightning war inb the west over Francewould have settled Frecnh ab=nger for abotherv 25+ years. America need not havev gotten involved until thevU-boat issue, occurring much later, Preventing these secret allianceswouldvbe peace,
Preventing WW1 would also have prevented WW2, in s peaceful society, the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini etc. would not have emerged. The soviet union could have been continued as a threat to neighbors if was isolated by all western efforts. Lenin was the polital genius, his early death left a power vacuum that Trotsky and Stalin could fight out. Executing the Schllfen plan with out BEF interventiions would have ended the war with another Gernan victory. Moving people would not have helpred as the causes were well-developed beforn the beginning.

As to the european WW2 would have been unnecessary as the Versailles treatment of Gernany went too far and would not have provoked the Nazi rise to power. Mussolini was a minor figure and without Nazi backing would have been a local phenomena,

Japan was a special case, rearmanent and agreement to spheres of influence could have peacemakers.. As for China, simply backing Mao and using intense pressure about his reforms may have worke. The korean Kim family was a sideshow created by China as to an anti-Japanese ploy. Pulling the plug on him would have nipped off the Korean War in the bud. Likewise Ho Chi Minh was susceptable to American influence prior to the war with Japan.

I think that your ‘keep the century more peaceful” by changing events rather than people. The dictators were opportunists and took advantages of high unemployment and people’s sense of hopelessness.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@Eureka Yes, of course. My list of acknowledgements in the beginning or the end of the novel will have a website subsection that will say something like:

THANKS TO THE USERS OF:
Answerbag.com
Fluther.com
Askville.Amazon.com
BlurtIt.com
(and any other site I sought help from.)

arpinum's avatar

Ho Chi Minh

filmfann's avatar

One thing to consider:
These were bad seeds, but their countries were fertile soil for what happened.
Germany was a mess after WWI.
Russia was a mess after the October Revolution.
Cuba was rife with corruption, and the people were sick of it.
Without these men, the same thing would have probably happened, but with different leaders.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@arpinum Yes, he’ll settle in Chinatown, San Francisco while he’s still a preteen.

@filmfann For WWI, see Gavrilo Princip on the original post

There’s no October Revolution, because he’s also immigrating Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky, remember?

In Cuba, I think he bolsters the police force. He does a lot for Cuba, like construct a bridge to Florida.

Eureka's avatar

@ THANKS TO THE USERS OF:
Answerbag.com
Fluther.com
Askville.Amazon.com
BlurtIt.com
(and any other

Good grief. You ask this type of question at that many sites? And the moderators accept this type of thing?

avvooooooo's avatar

@Eureka Unfortunately. However, not so much last night. Self-promotion is against the fluther guidelines. As are things that are “Vague, confusing, or generally non-sensical” and “Egocentric attention-grabbing.”

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