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Can you imagine anything more horrifying to a Vegan than head cheese?

Asked by dalepetrie (18009points) June 27th, 2010

I mean, it’s literally made out of faces.

I just asked because I want to see what kind of responses/ideas this will generate. Be free, write whatever comes to mind, whether that be a suggestion for something that might be more horrifying to a Vegan, or a similarly themed idea of something that might be the pinnacle of horrifying to another type of individual. Go nuts.

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Your_Majesty's avatar

Pork! I’m a vegan and I really hate the smell of pork or anything piggy.

dalepetrie's avatar

@Doctor_D – but head cheese can be made from parts of pig heads, is that somehow worse than bacon, or does it really not matter what part of an animal is used, it’s all bad in your estimation?

Berserker's avatar

A lamb with a woodcutting axe busting in through their bedroom door at night.

So, you think humans and animals are equals, do ya?

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

I think that any time you present as food something that violates another person’s chosen diet, then you are being insensitive at a minimum and more likely you are just being an ass.

Why is this question any less insensitive?

kenmc's avatar

Would cannibalism be more horrifying?

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

Pashtun Flambe a la Napalm?

Coloma's avatar

Well…the pan of fried duck heads I saw at a night market in Taiwan last March….

dalepetrie's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence – If your ire is directed at me for asking the question, it was not my intent to offend. I would not knowingly or intentionally present food to someone whose diet prohibited it for whatever (moral, health, religious, etc.) reason that may be. Asking a question however of a collective, some of whom are and some of whom are not members of a particular group, I do not believe is being either insensitive or an ass. I harbor the belief that forcing one’s opinion upon someone is one thing, but asking a question is quite another. We can not learn about each other if we are not wiling to ask questions about each other. This does not obligate anyone to answer said question should he or she take offense at the question. I’m sincerely curious if the concept of a food made out of a face is any more objectionable than is food made out of another part of something which has a face to someone who does not believe that anything with a face should be consumed. To create an analogy, imagine a woman has been raped and because of this trauma, she finds the inner strength to become a strong advocate of women’s empowerment, and as part of this tends to find jokes about women to be degrading and unacceptable on general principle as it runs against the concept in which she has become deeply involved. Ergo, if someone made an anti-woman joke in her presence, she might be deeply offended. But, should someone go as far as to make a rape joke in her presence, a joke both at the expense of women in general, but one which has an even greater personal significance, this might be said to be the pinnacle for her. So my query is, just as the woman who is into female empowerment would view rape jokes as the ultimate in unacceptability out of a pool of already unacceptable women jokes, would a vegan regard a food made out of a face to be the ultimate in unacceptability out of a pool of foods made from things which have a face? Call me an ass for asking the question if you want, but I make no apologies.

Your_Majesty's avatar

@dalepetrie I meant every part of a pig disgust me. It’s simply because of its distinctive ‘fatty’ smell,and the taste(real taste without any additives) is so gross. I need to vomit if I’ll have to eat this meat.

dalepetrie's avatar

@Doctor_D – thanks, I appreciate the insightful answer.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

@dalepetrie I just think that searching for the best kind of food to offend vegans is an unedifying subject. It may seem funny to some but even for me who is not even a vegetarian, the goal of the question strikes me as misdirected. I don’t know you and therefore make no inferences about your character. That would be unfair and inappropriate. My critique is about the question.

kenmc's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence Everyone should be offended on a regular basis. It helps remember why you’re being offended.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

@boots If you mean it helps to keep me sensitive to the feelings of others, even those entirely different from myself, then I agree with you.

kenmc's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence Basically, yeah. Reminders of why we are the way we are tend to be a good thing, unless you’re horribly wrong in the way you are.—

MacBean's avatar

I’m not a vegan and I can’t think of much that’s more horrifying than head cheese, so…

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Wait, what’s the point of this?

dalepetrie's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence – I say a good question will always offend someone.

To the point that I am “searching for the best kind of food to offend vegans,” nothing could be further from the truth. My pondering did not begin with Vegans, but with the idea of head cheese, something I personally find repulsive and can’t even imagine why anyone would partake of something so hideous and vile. My mind simply clicked…head cheese…made out of heads…part of a head is a face…vegans don’t eat anything with a face…this must be the worst thing a vegan can imagine.

Which also begins to answer @Simone_De_Beauvoir‘s query as to what the point of this is. The purpose of the question is multi-faceted-

1) To determine if anyone else finds this to be an interesting concept…that some will eat nothing with a face, while others literally eat faces.

2) To determine if anyone who does not eat anything with a face is doubly (or some other factor) horrified by eating faces vs. eating other parts of animals with faces.

3) To present a rather open ended question in the social category meant to go wherever the discussion might go…in other words, if someone were to present me with an idea like this, my first thought might be to try to find other similar ironies, while others might take the question seriously and attempt to answer it, while yet others may misconstrue the intent or read something into it, which may in turn reveal something intriguing about the person.

4) Mostly to have fun, engage in dialogue, be challenged, have thought provked and to do what I always do on Fluther which is to interject parts of the inner workings of my own mind and personality into the collective to make it a more enjoyable venue overall.

I made the rape analogy above. To me, objecting to a question of this manner because it is tantamount to trying to find a way to offend or annoy would be like objecting to asking a rape victim a legitimate question about rape and/or her experience, perceptions, etc. The concept and act of rape will still exist, and for personal reasons may become a topic one would rather NOT discuss, but I am not a believer in unnecessarily walking on eggshells. I would not avoid discussing race with a person of a different race than my own. I would not avoid discussing sexual orientation with a person of a different sexual orientation than my own. I would not avoid discussing religion with a person of a different belief system than my own. I would not (and did not) avoid discussing dietary choices with people who have different dietary restrictions than my own. And to avoid asking questions about things you know little to nothing about of the people who know the most about those topics and are therefore best suited to answer those those questions out of a worry that my lack of knowledge and understanding of a topic might cause me to phrase my inquiry in a way to which the person might take offense is in my view ludicrous.

Botton line, I don’t apologize for asking questions. My philosophy is if you don’t want to answer the question, don’t answer the question. That’s why we have a collective, and that’s why we have a social area to ask questions within the collective.

tinyfaery's avatar

I think that veal and pate would be the worst. I can’t think of anything more cruel.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

I couldn’t remember the symbol for saracasm, but how about Unicorn meatloaf?

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

@dalepetrie I appreciate your thoughtful and considerate answer and I feel confident you had no malicious motives. I appreciate the diversity of our fluther community and I don’t expect everyone to perceive things as I do.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@dalepetrie Well, at least you perceived there to be a point. I, as a vegan, find other things abhorrent than head cheese but that’s just me.

Merriment's avatar

Yes.. according to small children Lima beans are more horrifying than anything else…ever.

dalepetrie's avatar

Of course, I appreciate input from EVERYONE who contributes, it is through seeing the perspective of others that I learn, I honestly wouldn’t have considered that my question could have been seen as an attempt to horrify when I posted it, I’m always surprised at the reactions my musings produce, which is why I’m here. Thanks!

Cruiser's avatar

Meatloaf!! Terrifying even to a carnivore!

jerv's avatar

@Cruiser Only if the cook totally sucks. I’ve had a few awesome meatloaf and some that I didn’t even bother being nice about giving my honest opinion on, but that says more about the cook than the concept of meatloaf.

I think that the bacon cheeseburger is a bit more horrifying and to a wider demographic.
– Meat to go after the vegetarians and vegans
– Cheese to re-offend the vegans
– Beef to offend the Hindus
– Bacon to offend Jews and Muslims
– Mixing meat and dairy to re-offend the Jews
– A bun to piss off the Atkins crowd
– Calories, fat, and cholesterol out the ass to offend anybody who likes to eat healthy. (Doubly so for the BK Quad Stacker!)

dalepetrie's avatar

@jerv – of course there’s the KFC Double Down, a sandwich between two fried chicken patties. I’m waiting to see McDonald’s steal that idea, put a chicken fillet between two quarter pounders.

Coloma's avatar

Forget meat…just give me cheesecake and ice cream!

WTF…all in moderation!

jerv's avatar

@dalepetrie True, but if you read this then you will find that the Wendy’s Triple Baconator is almost as bad (healthwise) as the KFC Double Down and the BK Quad Stacker combined!

Merriment's avatar

@dalepetrie – teen’s have already made their own version with McDonald’s fare. They call it, are you ready for this?...the McGangBang….

MacBean's avatar

There’s also the Double Down Luther Sandwich and the McDonald’s Cheeseburger Remix. Fast food places would be wiser not to market stuff like the Double Down, really. People come up with these ideas on their own and the business would profit more if people had to buy two of something to create their own sandwich.

jerv's avatar

Glazed donuts? WTF?!

And I thought that Taco Town was a joke, but I expect that it is actually out there somewhere.

Coloma's avatar

Years ago there was a wacky allnighter breakfast place in the downtown area of my city called ’ Pancake Parade.’

OMG! The people watching was the highlight of the experience…drew in the crazies after the bars closed down. lol

dalepetrie's avatar

I don’t know who Luther is, but he needs therapy. And I was down with Taco Town until the corn husk.

MacBean's avatar

@dalepetrie Luther Vandross. He liked bacon cheeseburgers with grilled glazed donuts as the bun.

rooeytoo's avatar

The head cheese thing really doesn’t make my mouth water with anticipation either. But I think it can be considered from this aspect as well. My parents went through the great depression, whenever they were lucky enough to get meat, they did indeed eat every part that could possibly be eaten and were grateful for it. I guess it all depends on how hungry you are.

Cruiser's avatar

@jerv Perhaps, for me it all about the cook and the ambiance of that meal. When I was 10 in the hospital with a near deadly kidney infection, my Grandma was visiting when I was served dinner and forced me to eat everything on my plate in her mind to regain my strength. I couldn’t eat the jello let alone the hospital meatloaf as it was cold gummy gross flavorless mush. She somehow forced me to get it down and I hated her and meatloaf ever since. One of the most awful experiences of my life.

jerv's avatar

@Cruiser Given the wide variety on the menu on board a Navy ship chow line, that logic would leave me with zero options for food then! Ah welll, to each their own. I still can’t eat bologna anymore after having a fried bologna sandwich years and years ago. Actually, just a bite of one… that I wound up spitting out before I had even chewed it three times.

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