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Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Should the Wall Street protesters, stop complaining about it, and be about it?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (21300 points ) October 10th, 2011

If you choose to wake up day after day with the rooster, drag yourself to an assembly line, cubicle, etc, and slave away hours on end for a check every two weeks do you really have room to gripe. It is like a team that never practice complaining because they got mopped in a route by the better team. Not all the wealthy people got there because they were born of a multimillion-dollar coochie. Many took big risk, made bold moves and it paid off. They didn’t settle for a 9–5 job ( J ust O ver B oke ), or swimming in a sea of mediocrity, they went out to do extraordinary things.

Why don’t they try spent the time they are using waving banners, chanting slogans, etc, and used it to plan their own wise or bold moves? Would it be better for them to try and copy the efforts of those they are made at instead of being mad at those that did?

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dreamwolf's avatar

Someone told me this is a main issue. The banks got bailed out, but we didn’t. I’m born 1987. How am I like millions of others and my kids supposed to find a job that’s going to pay pretty well if it’s not in America in the first place? These are the kinds of protesting that is going on. I think its valid, whole generations are at stake in not being able to have jobs. We’re having graduates in college move back into moms house at a record pace. There are plenty to protest about. Honestly, if everything were okay there would never have been an uprising. Obviously these kids have all come to the consensus that something isn’t right. And this blue-collar mentality you’re speaking of? Where is it? What is the blue collard job? Detroit is gone, automobiles in general seem to have been wiped down 70 percent since the 80s. Remember the British Tea Party? This is America, chanting and protesting is what they are practicing, its not just sit down and take it. This is the youths way of negotiating with its government. Telling it much like the players and NFL owners, to let us get a fair share of the work load so that we may make $$$ and put food on our future families plates. I agree yes the “1%” got there fairly in a business sense. But while they live it up, everyone underneath is unhappy, which is bs in the minds of the protestors as well. True the rich earned there money, thats unarguable. But when the government bails out the banks and not the people, eye brows raise.

FutureMemory's avatar

I am disappointed Multimillion-dollar coochie isn’t one of the topics.

Blackberry's avatar

Yeah I know! Why don’t they just all become congressmen and women and make the changes themselves? Lazy, powerless scum is what they are.

YARNLADY's avatar

Yes, of course there are more effective ways to bring about change in our government and it’s policies, but the majority of people have absolutely no idea how to do it. It takes a lot more effort and time to be civilly responsible than it does to go downtown and carry around some signs some people made for you and and shout a lot.

woodcutter's avatar

A job used to mean something back when. Since higher education is going beyond the reach of many they have little choice but to take “whatever” work instead of “good” work, of which there is little to pick from now. The education system has been systematically gutted so students are not ready for college much less life. The idea that working hard has been busted as false promise. Working hard now really means you die tired.

GladysMensch's avatar

I’m not upset that there are successful people, I’m upset because government is now increasingly responsive to special interests and not the public interest. Instead of a democracy where all citizens have an equal say in the governing process, some organizations and individuals have a disproportionate and unfair influence over what the government does. The result is that the power and greed of the few too often win out over the needs of the many.

dreamwolf's avatar

@GladysMensch And I think when you mention “organizations” I think you are referring to “big time corporations.” I think people are in denial that American business is no longer representative of the small moms and pops community of New England in the ancient days. Look no further than who is carrying your phone bill, who controls the way you travel (gas prices) these corporations have us all in a choke hold and were just slowly attempting to get out of position before were forced to tap out. Everything seems to involve a one way ticket, paid for, to get to the top, college, applications etc. I say I think people are in denial because greed has obviously triumphing integrity and meaning. An example of this is within the NCAA BCS. Currently all these teams are going to where there is more money. Now I understand it is all about marketing, but wow, they want more and more and fans are already content with the present rivalries between their proximity related colleges. Now conferences are seemingly willing to get away from the idea of proximity. Again this is just one example of the greed. Another example would be that of the gas industry. We are entirely dependent on it as a society, there are a rare few who don’t use gasoline but for those of us who do, we’re forced to buy it. Obviously the more money you have the less you will complain, and when a general population finds that 4$ gasoline is the norm of the town, not many question it. I live in San Diego, and its a culture of peoples seemingly just transitioning in and out of San Diego, so what they view as 4$ gasoline seems normal to them. The gasoline industry has got in a choke hold. We just want reasonable prices. For those that would argue, oil is bought by the barrel in the middle east, I say woe is me. First off we’ve got that commercial going around saying how large the U.S. oil reserve so why aren’t we demanding the use of it instead of being dependent upon the middle east. @Blackberry Your accusation of the protestors being lazy, and powerless is a senseless opinion and I would hope other Americans can see this protest for what it is, a cry for help, a practicing demonstration (which requires time and effort hence destroying your lazy logic) and does not showcase powerlessness. It is actually showing the opposite, they are coming together and becoming powerful instead of taking it lying down. I can applaud them for that.

FutureMemory's avatar

@dreamwolf Blackberry was being sarcastic.

dreamwolf's avatar

Oh okay, well its made for the statements not the notion :D You know, just so others don’t get the wrong idea of what’s actually being said.

Blackberry's avatar

It’s all good @dreamwolf, sarcasm is sometimes hard to detect in text.

mazingerz88's avatar

I heard some protesters are having sex and urinating around there. I support the sex but not the urinating since guys could put that in a mineral water bottle. With women, I don’t know. Lol.

I heard a Republican operative commenting that these people should get jobs instead. Now I really love these protesters. When Republicans hate some people this way, something must be up huh?

Nullo's avatar

@mazingerz88 That’s criticism, not hatred. I think we’ve grown too comfortable with that word, and are diluting its meaning through overuse and misapplication.

mazingerz88's avatar

@Nullo These protesters have legit grievances in my view and to say on TV that they should discontinue and find something else to do like get a job is really quite insulting don’t you think? I think in this case, this deliberate insult equals a hateful remark.

Nullo's avatar

@mazingerz88 No, it’s still just a criticism, though perhaps a mean-spirited one. Hatred is an intense or passionate dislike, or an extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward something; detestation. It is a dislike intense enough to drive one to murder.

Saying, “Get a job, hippie,” isn’t hateful.

@FutureMemory Do you suppose that the signmaker realizes that you can’t call something a war unless at least two sides are fighting?

woodcutter's avatar

Oh the two sides are fighting make no mistake.

Nullo's avatar

@woodcutter I’m waxing semantic here. You can’t have a one-sided war; that’s just not how war works.

woodcutter's avatar

Semantics… some will call it war and others will call it a struggle, pick your poison

mazingerz88's avatar

@Nullo Yes, but how do we know this Republican operative did not feel like or was thinking about dropping a bomb on these protesters, commit murder? LOL.

You’re saying it’s not hateful, I’m saying it is. That statement was made today on TV and this Republican stooge had this intense passionate insulting tone when he said it. One does not have to want to commit murder to hate really.

woodcutter's avatar

It’s quickly approaching the primaries and what the bagger’s want is red meat and lots of it. So the people on the right have to be vitriolic to get in with them. They really are a fringe minority and they have infected the right very badly. Which doesn’t say much for them.

martianspringtime's avatar

I think that most of them are against the way a lot of the ridiculously rich get ridiculously rich, not just angry that they can’t seem to get their own moral standards low enough.

Nullo's avatar

@mazingerz88 And how do we know that he did? Do you see the folly in crying, ‘hate, hate!” yet? And I didn’t say that hate is wanting to commit murder. It’s an intensity thing.
Do you want to see hatred translated into text? Go here and scroll down about 7 posts.
It’s always a good idea to give the benefit of the doubt.

@woodcutter Perhaps semantics was the wrong word. I am focusing on the technicalities of the message rather than its contents.

Nullo's avatar

@mazingerz88 Generally speaking, Republicans do not employ insults or crude language, as their base wouldn’t really like it. They prefer other tactics. The insult is more the domain of the Democrat (which you have demonstrated, referring to the Republican as a “stooge”), in keeping with their less-conformist image.
The guy on the TV was simply irritated.

mazingerz88's avatar

@Nullo Oh was that insulting? And I thought I was just criticizing.

mattbrowne's avatar

They should join ATTAC and support the financial transaction tax. That would bring about real change.

woodcutter's avatar

People don’t need a degree in economics or really need to understand how capitalism works. When the cooperates poo-poo away the disenfranchised, siting they aren’t qualified to feel fucked over, it adds insult to injury. It comes off as very condescending. It doesn’t take a genius to see how capitalism is a beast that serves the few now. It wasn’t supposed to be this way. Something has gone very wrong and it didn’t happen over night, and to hear it said that the unemployed and underemployed are in their situations as a result of their own doing is so stupid even the rich really know it’s bullshit. The thing is they have circled the wagons around themselves and would have their collective toenails yanked out before admitting it.

Blackberry's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central Maybe you should take a look at this and ask yourself how many other people in his profession think like this. I can definitely tell you it’s not just him.

dreamwolf's avatar

It is a funny thing. And I’m stealing this quote from a former co-worker. He is in his late 40’s from Vietnam during the war. He became a citizen here. We got laid off. Before lay off I remember one of his great quotes, “The U.S.A. was built upon the backs of the middle-class, now they’re raping us.” They’re=Corporations. And it’s true, the middle class is dissappearing, the middle class used to be backed up with money, but now the ideology is slowly becoming a a mindset of the past. 22 Statistics Showing Middle Class Gone

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Blackberry I agree that if people employ the right strategy and have a good plan they can make money no matter what. John Q who sinks all his eggs on the assembly line at the plant; that is his big plan is just to survive without being fired and laid off. I do believe there are as many wishing for a ressesion as those who hope and pray it never comes. It all comes down to your strategy and your plan.

What people really should be doing is lining up outside the offices of their representatives and Congress people, if there is a bail out, it started with them. Why would any business turn down free money? If you had a thermos half-full of ice tea on a very hot day, and were offered more, but you knew elsewhere, in the area, there were those who had nothing to drink and they were not being offered anything. You believe your not taking the offer was going to help out those people thirst any better? Most people will take what is offered, even if they know someone else wasn’t.

Nullo's avatar

@mazingerz88 Insult is motivated by malice, with the aim of making the other person look or feel bad, while criticism is motivated by the desire to improve the other person’s understanding of something. When you insult someone, you attack his or her person; whereas when you criticize someone, you rebuke his or her words or actions.

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